Snake Doctor

Oh wait, we did, and they didn't, and we kicked their ass.

Pretty much the same thing that would have happened had we warned the Japs, except the bombings would have taken place a few days later than they did.

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tony286

the better question if bin laden was responsible for the deaths of 3000 americans why is he still free?

Splum

You are such a simpleton.

Kimo

praise jesus

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scardog

Because we were going in to destroy their training camps and remove the taliban who were supporting the terrorists efforts. Giving up Bin laden wouldn't have changed that. We went in, and sent them running to the mountains. Now we are in the mountains, trying to dig them out.

Angelo22

Because US wasn't after Bin Laden as a primary objective

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SmokeyTheBear

who kicked who's ass , the war in afghanistan is worse than it ever was , more drugs coming from afghanistan than there ever was, bin laden aint even in afghanistan. and they guy used to be a cia agent, cmon now.. lol

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Angelo22

I see the America media was pretty convincing to you guys

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Pleasurepays

Bush said we were.

psili

The infrastructure of humanity currently exists because humans in local populations are led to know they are different from their neighbors by rabid control freaks. As it's always been, as it will be, so sayeth some god.

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Angelo22

exactly!

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Follow the money...

Bush's corporate benefactors have raked in billions upon billions as a result of the war on terror.

Do you think they care if 3,000 or so Americans (mostly poor kids, and kids from small towns), were sacrificed in the process, or that Bin Laden was not caught, or that Iraq is in shambles, or that the country and the world is less safe than ever?

That's the price of misguided leadership and war profiteering...

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hardcoreblogger

exactly, they don't give a fucking damn as long as they rake in big-time...

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scardog

And someone said the media had me convinced.

I love how people believe we go to war so people with more money than God can get rich. Biggest attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor. If that happens and we don't go to war with somebody, then whatever vagina is in the oval office get's thrown out. What would Hillary have done?

Dirty Dane

Invading Afghanistan has still not stopped terrorism and not led to the capture of Bin Laden.

scardog

Stopping terrorism is like stopping crime. Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean you shouldn't have an effort to reduce it.

Especially if they take over airplanes, run them into the WTC, and Pentagon and kill lots of people. Can't just sit back and hope they got it out of their system.

Bin Laden means nothing. He could be dead right now, and it doesn't stop terrorism. Bin Laden is just one of the leaders. Others will take his place when he is taking a dirt nap.

Snake Doctor

This thread was made to poke fun at the guy who made this thread.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=709100

My point was simply that had Afghanistan given up Bin Laden we wouldn't have invaded, but they didn't give him up so we did invade.

If we told Japan we had some new weapon that would utterly destroy them if they didn't surrender, they wouldn't have surrendered and we'd have had to use it anyways.

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Fap

Better question, who let the dogs out?

Dirty Dane

Its two opposite conditions you talk about. Afghanistan was not nuked and Japan was not invaded.

scardog

"My point was simply that had Afghanistan given up Bin Laden we wouldn't have invaded, but they didn't give him up so we did invade."

I know that was your point, but we didn't invade to get Bin Laden. We invaded to destroy the terror support system in Afghanistan. If Pakistan had handed him over, we still would have gone to destroy the terror infrastructure. Otherwise, the second in command would have just taken over. If one man was all we wanted, a small team of assasins would have been all we would have sent.

StickyGreen

Please tell me you can prove that...

lol @ Bush's "corporate benefactors."

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Snake Doctor

Bin Laden was hiding in Afghanistan after 9/11. We wanted him and the Taliban refused to give him up to us, so we invaded.

He was never in charge of Afghanistan you moron, so there was no question of a 2nd in command.

If they had complied with our demands we wouldn't have invaded. The entire world was watching the staredown so it wasn't like we could have negotiated in bad faith.

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scardog

So we did warn Afghanistan (the Taliban) to hand him over or we would go to war, right? Then what is the point of this thread? And Bin Laden does have a second in command. We weren't asking Bin Laden to hand over Bin Laden, we told the world that countries that support terror are on our list. The Taliban supported terrorists that were responsible for 9/11. So yes, I suppose this war definitely could have been averted if the Taliban had decided to completely cooperate with us, and stop supporting terrorists. Handing Bin Laden over, and still running terror camps would not have averted the war there.

Dirty Dane

Maybe they already captured him, but keep it secret so show can go on.

scardog

Perhaps. But if they did, I think the PR boost that would give the administration would be too hard to resist.

scardog

I didn't see that the Lenny was being Ironic. I missed the point since I thought he was serious. Here is what we asked the Taliban to do. Not just give up Bin Laden. That was my point. One man alone was not gonna cut it.

deliver Al-Qaeda leaders located in Afghanistan to the United States

release all imprisoned foreign nationals, including American citizens [6]

protect foreign journalists, diplomats, and aid workers in Afghanistan

close terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and "hand over every terrorist
and every person and their support structure to appropriate authorities"

give the United States full access to terrorist training camps to verify their closure

They said, "Fuck You!" We said "Fuck me?, no Fuck you!"

interracialtoons

Yeah, and if Iraq had given up all those WMDs then we would not have invaded.

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Splum

Instead they sent them to Syria.

interracialtoons

Actually they said they didn't have the capability to catch Bin Laden and the facts are that they couldn't.

If they could turn over Bin Laden then they would be better than US forces since US forces haven't turned Bin Laden over to Bush either.

So do you think the taliban is more capable than the US military?

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TeenCat

i hope one day someone will say "stop pushing our rights usa, or we will beat you!" and i hope someone will! with respect and no offense to any us people

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Splum

You hope someone kills USA people? I hope no USA person does business with you.

TeenCat

and killing afghanistan people is ok? my reply was just a ping lol

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Splum

You act like we are killing civilians in Afghanistan, you are an obvious American hater. The only people we are killing in Afghanistan are terrorists.

TeenCat

so leave them alone, they will kill themself

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Splum

We did leave them alone until they protected the people responsible for an attack on the United States.

Penthouse Tony

The Taliban agreed to turn him over but with some major conditions. They would not turn him over to to the US, rather to another Islamic country where he could only be tried by Islamic law. If he was found innocent the US would have no recourse. This was simply unexceptionable for the US and effectively a non-starter for an alternative to invading.

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" somebody " ... ...

So how do you choose? Spin the bottle ?

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directfiesta

Good thing about you : if you had only half the brain you have, it would still be the same

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Oh my are we witty tonight df, that Avodart must be working on your prostate.

shahab6

Actually usa kicked ass, they got ride of Taliban, and they pretty much got ride of all the terrorist camp. Its true a lot of them escape, but the whole point was to shut down their organiztion in afghanistan and the support they got from that government.

shahab6

do u have source that says that for any chance?

notabook

Not quite. They (Taliban) regrouped shortly afterwards. Maybe not to full force but they are there again and in numbers. Also the drug crops exploded there, now something like 90% of the worlds Opium comes from Afghanistan.

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If you really think that people like taliban and bin ladin with no much resources can hijack a number of planes and then rocket them at world trade center, you are so fucking idiot.

If they had such ability, they would have fucked all of the US proud much harder after afghan war. Someone who is starving for food can not think of hijacks lol

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macker

100% agree.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t icleId=4581
Lots of information on the above site, and people should read it if interested in hearing alternative angles to what their (western) governments tell them.

ADG, you summed it up perfectly. Follow the money.

Adultnet

its almost impossible to get this guy..

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DaddyHalbucks

Correct. In the case of Japan, we were fighting major military super power. The Japanese leadership was fanatical. A warning have been totally ignored. My guess is that they would have interpretted it as a sign of weakness.

In fact, the Japanese were reluctant to disarm even *after* two of their cities were destroyed with nukes.

Afghanistan was mostly a crooked regime that harbored terrorists.

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scardog

Not, spin the bottle, you use your best resources to find the guilty party, then go to war with them.

umm..we determined the group that was responsible for killing our citizens was in afghanistan being protected by the taliban. I know you were just being funny. We sat back for years when terrorists would try to blow up the WTC, attack the USS Cole, bomb our Marine Barracks in Beiruit. The problem didn't go away, it got worse. So now, if someone wants to do such things, there will be a price to pay. Send one of ours to the hospital, we sent 10 of yours to the morgue.