TRAFFICGIGOLOS Get in here. ((Possible Drama))

[fr0gman]

It seems that a suer of this board, TheShaft is being accused of stealing money from another member of this board, beta-tester. You can read the sorted details here: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/707484-8-premium-submit-passes-sale-cheap.html

Here is my problem...

After doing a little digging I came up with the following info:

You see TheShaft approached me a few weeks ago to build some recip buttons for SHAFTSPORNO.COM

He contacted me via ICQ from this account:

ICQ Number: 373-847-993
Name: na na
Nickname: Westport Studios

Now I did a little digging and it seems that so far as my observation goes that TheShaft is Westport Studios and Westport Studios is TRAFFICGIGOLOS.

Maybe I am wrong here but I think you guys owe an explanation and someone owes beta-tester some cash.

[email protected]

Registrant:
Star Marketing Group, LLC

3838 Raymert Drive Suite 3
Las Vegas, Nevada 89121
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SHAFTSPORNO.COM
Created on: 09-Nov-06
Expires on: 10-Nov-07
Last Updated on:

Administrative Contact:
Embry, Justin [email protected]
Star Marketing Group, LLC
3838 Raymert Drive Suite 3
Las Vegas, Nevada 89121
United States
(509) 264-3007

Technical Contact:
Embry, Justin [email protected]
Star Marketing Group, LLC
3838 Raymert Drive Suite 3
Las Vegas, Nevada 89121
United States
(509) 264-3007

Domain servers in listed order:
NS0.REFLECTED.NET
NS1.REFLECTED.NET

I found this tidbit to be quite interesting:

Registrant:
Star Marketing Group, LLC

3838 Raymert Drive Suite 3
Las Vegas, Nevada 89121
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: TRAFFICGIGOLOS.COM
Created on: 15-Jul-04
Expires on: 15-Jul-07
Last Updated on: 25-Apr-06

Administrative Contact:
Embry, Justin [email protected]
Star Marketing Group, LLC
3838 Raymert Drive Suite 3
Las Vegas, Nevada 89121
United States
2066973296

Technical Contact:
Embry, Justin [email protected]
Star Marketing Group, LLC
3838 Raymert Drive Suite 3
Las Vegas, Nevada 89121
United States
2066973296

Domain servers in listed order:
NS0.REFLECTED.NET
NS1.REFLECTED.NET

Looks like TheShaft is WestportStudios which is TRAFFICGIGOLOS.

[Zester]

hmmmmmm...........

[polish_aristocrat]

he has ARS in his sig.....

[bobby666]

that looks not good

[beta-tester]

oh man! I can't believe! This is not cute at all!!! I've been friends with Justing from TG for awhile now, and we have always had great business relationship... I really doubt they did that to me.

However, fr0gman did a nice dig and this is really weird... I could not have gotten in touch with this bastard aka scammer Theshaft and I kinda say bye to my money.... this is definitely getting interesting...and I am looking forward to hearing more from TG regarding this issue.

Thanks in advance!

[JD]

ruh roh raggy...

[fr0gman]

BUMP for TG to reply.

[datatank]

Originally Posted by beta-tester

oh man! I can't believe! This is not cute at all!!! I've been friends with Justing from TG for awhile now, and we have always had great business relationship... I really doubt they did that to me.

However, fr0gman did a nice dig and this is really weird... I could not have gotten in touch with this bastard aka scammer Theshaft and I kinda say bye to my money.... this is definitely getting interesting...and I am looking forward to hearing more from TG regarding this issue.

Thanks in advance!

There is no way TG or Justin would rip anyone off for $200.

[Screaming]

Originally Posted by datatank

There is no way TG or Justin would rip anyone off for $200.

totaly agree

[punker barbie]

just woke up one of the gigolos :P

Im shir its a misunderstanding.

[GigoloMason]

Looking into it now.

[Mohawk Steve]

Originally Posted by datatank

There is no way TG or Justin would rip anyone off for $200.

Very true. The TG crew has no need to rip $200 off from anyone.

[Martin]

Highly unlikely frogman. TheShaft = TG. Don't think so.

Still interesting to hear about the other submit passes scam, I was going to hire this guy to do some free site work.

[BAKO]

There is no Way TG would do that

[EvilFubAr]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

he has ARS in his sig.....

Terms of the ARS webmaster referral program are clearly stated in our linking code center.

Impressions and clicks will not be counted on the following domains (no webmaster payout):
-- GoFuckYourself.com

[TG Rebecca]

Ok, just to clear the air on this. TheShaft is *NOT* trafficgigolos in anyway. he is an affiliate that we gave freehosting to like we will do with any affiliate that asks. we also register domains for affiliates. done this for a lot of affiliates. outside of being an affiliate he has no association with trafficgigolos in anyway.

contact me on icq if you would like proof, i can forward you the emails of him asking which domains he would like us to register and host for his site.

again, *NOT* trafficgigolos.

[GigoloJustin]

^^


I didn't read the other threads in this post, but i'm not either of them people. Rebecca summed it up pretty well.

[vvq]

We've got nothing to do with Westport Studios or TheShaft.

But for the sake of GFY drama I will say we have done business with fr0gman before. He's scum and about as close to being a scammer as one can get. I'm usually not into board drama, but this guy is just bad news. I'll post details later. Stay away from this scumbag fr0gman.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by vvq

We've got nothing to do with Westport Studios or TheShaft.

But for the sake of GFY drama I will say we have done business with fr0gman before. He's scum and about as close to being a scammer as one can get. I'm usually not into board drama, but this guy is just bad news. I'll post details later. Stay away from this scumbag fr0gman.

Funny, I have been doing business with him for over a year and have had ZERO issues with him.

[Reak AGV]

No way! www.trafficgigolos.com is good people

[vvq]

Originally Posted by baddog

Funny, I have been doing business with him for over a year and have had ZERO issues with him.

About a year ago I was looking to buy sex stories to add to our members area. He contacted me and I bought a few hundred dollars worth of stories from him. Ended up not being to use them because they were littered with underage stories. He told me he'd send me a new batch that weren't underage themed. Never did. We don't deal with people involved with that kind of stuff at all. I don't care if they are legal, it's something we're not interested in dealing with for a multitude of reasons. This guy has no morals at all in my opinion. He is a scumbag.

Then I got spammed with some SEO chat seminars he's doing. Seemed like it might be interesting so I inquired. He sends me an email filled full of referall links for hosting, chat software, domain registration etc. Says I need to signup through his links to participate.

This guy is just shady as fuck in my opinion. He wants to call us out for something involving one of our affiliates, I'll call him out on the shady shit he has done to me and our program.

[beta-tester]

Originally Posted by GigoloJustin

^^


I didn't read the other threads in this post, but i'm not either of them people. Rebecca summed it up pretty well.

I was pretty much absolutely sure you wouldn't have done this to me. We've had awesome biz. relationship and been friends for so long, so I absolutely trust you...

I think that guy shaft MUST be banned from all sponsors and all his account MUST be closed!! It's not fun to scam people. Today this happened to me, tomorrow you may be the one who will get scammed as well

Again, TG crew is great people and I'll carry their sig in my sigspot as long as I can ;) They really deserve great support and they get it from me because I really respect them.

As for crappy 200ish bucks....well fuck it, it happened what can I do now? I'll see with epass if they can do smth about it, but I really doubt it They actually answered like "There are no funds in recipient's account at the moment" so that means it's pretty much clear I won't see any cent of those...

My message to everyone DO NOT EVER, EVER DEAL WITH PEOPLE YOU DO NOT KNOW!!!.

Thanks for all support I got from you fellows....I really appreciate it guys!

[JD]

Originally Posted by vvq

Then I got spammed with some SEO chat seminars he's doing. Seemed like it might be interesting so I inquired. He sends me an email filled full of referall links for hosting, chat software, domain registration etc. Says I need to signup through his links to participate.

lmao that's because he was doing the "classes" for FREE... The ref links were sort of "payment" for the info. How's that shady?

I've done biz with him and have no problems whatsoever doing it again.

[vvq]

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

lmao that's because he was doing the "classes" for FREE... The ref links were sort of "payment" for the info. How's that shady?

I've done biz with him and have no problems whatsoever doing it again.

Shady because the guy had already scammed me. And asking people to signup through your referral links before you let them participate is a scam.

Like I said before he sold me sex stories full of underage crap. I really don't care about his pyramid scheme seo chats.

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by vvq

About a year ago I was looking to buy sex stories to add to our members area. He contacted me and I bought a few hundred dollars worth of stories from him. Ended up not being to use them because they were littered with underage stories. He told me he'd send me a new batch that weren't underage themed. Never did. We don't deal with people involved with that kind of stuff at all. I don't care if they are legal, it's something we're not interested in dealing with for a multitude of reasons. This guy has no morals at all in my opinion. He is a scumbag.

Then I got spammed with some SEO chat seminars he's doing. Seemed like it might be interesting so I inquired. He sends me an email filled full of referall links for hosting, chat software, domain registration etc. Says I need to signup through his links to participate.

This guy is just shady as fuck in my opinion. He wants to call us out for something involving one of our affiliates, I'll call him out on the shady shit he has done to me and our program.

WTF? I sent you the stories and then sent you links to the ones with the ages changed. You never mentioned anything about being dissatisfied until now. Unless you comunicate I have no way to know that you are not happy. You are the one that asked for "teen" stories so don't try to make out like I pushed some CP on you. As far as I was aware you got exactly what you paid for and you forgot to mention that I sent you a lot of free stories just because I am that kind of guy.

A lot of people on here have done business with me and EVERYONE has gotten more than they paid for. If you had come to me and mentioned your issues I would have gladly resolved the matter.

As for the SEO chat deal. There is only ONE way that you received email and that was to ask for it so don't start coming across like you got spammed. Furthermore, if you think it is too much to ask for someone that you use their affiliate links to participate in a FREE program then you have a strangly warmped sense of reality.

Now that I have dealt with your weak attempt to deflect from the topic at hand....

I never called you any names like you have called me. Is that your idea of professionalism? All I have done is point out that you guys are connected in some way with TheShaft. That is obvious and undeniable.

It might be advisable for you to pay better attention to the people that you provide hosting for and register domains for. When your company name is on the whois and your servers are listed you have to imagine that at some point something like this will get traced back to you.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by vvq

He wants to call us out for something involving one of our affiliates, I'll call him out on the shady shit he has done to me and our program.

Funny . . . I did not take it as "calling you out" as much as keeping you informed of something you might be interested in knowing.

As far as your attempt to twist the facts . . . well, that tells me something about you.

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by vvq

Shady because the guy had already scammed me. And asking people to signup through your referral links before you let them participate is a scam.

Like I said before he sold me sex stories full of underage crap. I really don't care about his pyramid scheme seo chats.

Pyramid scheme? You have got to be kidding me...

You are seriously off your meds today.

That statement alone shows that you know NOTHING about what I do and are just talking out of your ass.

Again, I would like to point out that it was YOU who asked for "teen" stories. Unless you specify you get "teen" stories. And like I said before, had you come to me I would have gladly sent the edited stories to you again. I sent you the download link and never heard from you again for over a year... I asumed that you got the stories.

[Evil E]

vvq is probably theshaft or his lover.

[fr0gman]

Originally Posted by knewon

vvq is probably theshaft or his lover.

I am not sure about that but it is obvious that he is feeling guilty about hooking TheShaft up and is trying to shift the blame toward me for some year-old bullshit that was never important until now.

[beta-tester]

hmm, this is still weird.... I don't know who's vvq. Are you Brian?

All I know is both Justin and his guys have always been cool to me and I guess to other people as well. Traffic Gigolos is stand up company and I am not sure whether they'd screw anyone.

However, from the story vvq is telling seems like something is not ok here at all. And fr0gman pointed to this. vvq do you consider yourself as guilty for hosting TheShaft and hooking him up, regardless he's now a proven scammer!?

P.S
I talked to Justin couple of hours ago and he told me he's going to can TheShaft's account and remove his hosting. I don't know whether he's done it already, but that really seems like an obvious and smart idea. I also ask and appeal to other sponsors whose affiliate is TheShaft to immediately delete his account and forfeit all his funds (if any). The fact is that this industry DOES NOT need people like this fucking scammer is!

Thanks for understanding.

[GigoloMason]

Originally Posted by fr0gman

It might be advisable for you to pay better attention to the people that you provide hosting for and register domains for. When your company name is on the whois and your servers are listed you have to imagine that at some point something like this will get traced back to you.

I'm not exactly sure what you expect us to monitor, as neither the domain or our program was in anyway involved with the scam. Despite that, we are canceling shaft's account, and reinbursing beta for the money simply because he's been a long time supporter and a good friend of Justin's for some time.

As for the rest you did send us stories involving underage girls, something Brian finds abominable, I don't really know what more needs to be said on the subject, regardless of the ages being changed at a later date.

Originally Posted by fr0gman

I am not sure about that but it is obvious that he is feeling guilty about hooking TheShaft up and is trying to shift the blame toward me for some year-old bullshit that was never important until now.

We 'hook up' all of our affiliates with hosting if they ask. We monitor that hosting very carefully. Nothing hosted on our servers, nor anything involved with this scam had anything to do with us, I'd really like to know where exactly you feel WE dropped the ball.

YOU my friend are the one who felt the need to pull this into a public forum rather than resolving a rather simple issue privately.

[vvq]

Originally Posted by fr0gman

WTF? I sent you the stories and then sent you links to the ones with the ages changed. You never mentioned anything about being dissatisfied until now. Unless you comunicate I have no way to know that you are not happy. You are the one that asked for "teen" stories so don't try to make out like I pushed some CP on you. As far as I was aware you got exactly what you paid for and you forgot to mention that I sent you a lot of free stories just because I am that kind of guy.

A lot of people on here have done business with me and EVERYONE has gotten more than they paid for. If you had come to me and mentioned your issues I would have gladly resolved the matter.

As for the SEO chat deal. There is only ONE way that you received email and that was to ask for it so don't start coming across like you got spammed. Furthermore, if you think it is too much to ask for someone that you use their affiliate links to participate in a FREE program then you have a strangly warmped sense of reality.

Now that I have dealt with your weak attempt to deflect from the topic at hand....

I never called you any names like you have called me. Is that your idea of professionalism? All I have done is point out that you guys are connected in some way with TheShaft. That is obvious and undeniable.

It might be advisable for you to pay better attention to the people that you provide hosting for and register domains for. When your company name is on the whois and your servers are listed you have to imagine that at some point something like this will get traced back to you.

Done with this drama. But for the sake of defending what I said here are the ICQ logs regarding the stories. I never got anything from him after this chat.

Date and Time: 03/26/2006 08:59 PM
You have sent a message to Fr0gman
hey can we take something else in place of these teen stories? some of them are a little too borderline for us. raher only have story content involving characters that are 18+
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 08:59 PM
You have received a message from Fr0gman
right... what would you prefer? I wondered abou those
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:00 PM
You have sent a message to Fr0gman
anything you wanna throw in.
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:00 PM
You have received a message from Fr0gman
OK I will give you a mix of about 50 different things from 2 or 3 niches... cool?
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:00 PM
You have sent a message to Fr0gman
yeah.
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:01 PM
You have received a message from Fr0gman
you said teen and in the stories niche "teen" means 13 - 18
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:02 PM
You have sent a message to Fr0gman
yeah. my fault, don't worry about it.
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:04 PM
You have received a message from Fr0gman
I will take care of you... no worries
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:06 PM
You have sent a message to Fr0gman
thanks. if you can, please make sure no stories involving characters under the age of 18 are in any of the sets.
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:08 PM
You have received a message from Fr0gman
If you want I will do a global replace on those and change all the under eighteen to 18
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:09 PM
You have sent a message to Fr0gman
would rather just not have any of those stories.
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:11 PM
You have received a message from Fr0gman
ok I am on it
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:11 PM
You have sent a message to Fr0gman
thanks
Date and Time: 03/26/2006 09:11 PM
You have received a message from Fr0gman
np

Make your own conclusions on what kind of character this guy is.

[Wiseman]

Damn I hope Justin isnt broke. He's buying my house LOL

[GigoloJustin]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

Damn I hope Justin isnt broke. He's buying my house LOL

it's hard out here for a pimp, when you're trying to get that money for the rent

[fr0gman]

I want to apologize to Brain and the TG crew for going off.

I have talked to both Brian and Mason and we have this issue resolved. It was a communication error and they will be getting way more stories then they originally asked for.

I am cool with them and as far as I know they are cool with me.

[vvq]

Originally Posted by fr0gman

I want to apologize to Brain and the TG crew for going off.

I have talked to both Brian and Mason and we have this issue resolved. It was a communication error and they will be getting way more stories then they originally asked for.

I am cool with them and as far as I know they are cool with me.

Cooler heads have prevailed. Now lets let this thread die.