how do backup billers work? - GoFuckYourself.com

newbie · 08-05-2002, 05:02 AM

let's say i have ccbill as my main processor and ibill as #2

how does my affilite get paid if a sales get's done by #2 because #1 rejected or was down for the time being?

i just don't get it

steffie · 08-05-2002, 05:29 AM

They don't

newbie · 08-05-2002, 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by steffie
They don't

so if you build a gallery with your ccbill code and ibill processes the sale, you're not getting anything?

Theo · 08-05-2002, 05:48 AM

with galleries is different, you never make sales

newbie · 08-05-2002, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
with galleries is different, you never make sales

what's different?

why wouldn't you make a sale?

I STILL DON'T GET IT

ldinternet · 08-05-2002, 06:36 AM

hahahahaha

pipp · 08-05-2002, 06:48 AM

WayPay-Kenny · 08-05-2002, 06:51 AM

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newbie · 08-05-2002, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by WayPay-Kenny
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i don't see there being a problem

i just can't get A STRAIGHT FUCKING ANSWER from anyone

here again for the slow readers out there: "If the backup billing service processes the payment, will the primary affiliate receive renumeration for the sale?"

ldinternet · 08-05-2002, 07:22 AM

For the slow newbies out there, you were already told, "they don't".

Theo · 08-05-2002, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by newbie

i don't see there being a problem

i just can't get A STRAIGHT FUCKING ANSWER from anyone

here again for the slow readers out there: "If the backup billing service processes the payment, will the primary affiliate receive renumeration for the sale?"

got root?

FATPad · 08-05-2002, 07:32 AM

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newbie · 08-05-2002, 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by ldinternet
For the slow newbies out there, you were already told, "they don't".

OOPS

why would anyone build galleries then if that's the case?

Gary · 08-05-2002, 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by newbie

OOPS

why would anyone build galleries then if that's the case?

Same reason everyone builds galleries, for fun. Well aslo to compete with other webmasters to see how many pics we can cram on one page.

ldinternet · 08-05-2002, 07:52 AM

Doesn't matter whether you're building galleries, free sites, avs, circle jerk or other. That part is pretty insignificant... though the avs surfers will usually still have their working credit card after signing up for the avs password. Also if they're fans of online checks, they're more likely not to be a deadbeat. I'd rather have 20 people signup with a check from inside one of my avs member areas, than 20 people signup with a check from some 2-bit tgp (ignoring the factor of member retention from those two sources, of course). The bad thing about avs guys? I always found, they never worked to well with recurring sponsors. They're not afraid to signup to porn sites of course, but most of them are aware of the rebilling issue, and will stay there for a good few days (even if they sleep through most of their trial period), but they WON'T forget to cancel. Of course, that is my own experience. Other people's may be different...

Regardless, the question is "why do people still post galleries?" As a short answer, because some people to find it to be profitable. Maybe some only make $200 per month from it, but... uh, each to their own. ;-))

A per signup sponsor will usually give credit for signups on either processor, as could a partnership running their own software and cutting their own checks (i.e, not providing third party stats... such as TopBucks partnership).

Anyway. Using a sponsor such as Triple X Cash where you don't get credit for both primary and backup. The majority of signups will make it via the primary processor. For example, a site using iBill with Epoch as backup. Most signups will make it through will iBill, those that don't are bumped to Epoch as you know.

Using a paysite as an example, the bigger the paysite, the more signups happening... the more averaged out you'll find the figures will be, hence a paysite doing 1000 signups per day will give a more accurate view of numbers in general (of the percentage of signups going through the primary processor, compared to the percentage going through the secondary processor) than a small paysite that does maybe only 5 signups per day. That percentage would be different all sites and vary from day to day, but it could probably be averaged out to and in Myself, I'm not sure on the percentages of signups on the first processor compared to percentage of signups on the secondary processor. The figure is different for all sites... and as I already said, it can vary wildly from day to day, but I'm sure that it can be averaged out to create a boundary (for example, 15 to 20%) of signups that happen via the backup processor, for the paysite community as a whole. And that is your short winded answer.

Maybe KimmyKim will pop up to provide some numbers and/or comment on them.

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ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	Doesn't matter whether you're building galleries, free sites, avs, circle jerk or other. That part is pretty insignificant... though the avs surfers will usually still have their working credit card after signing up for the avs password. Also if they're fans of online checks, they're more likely not to be a deadbeat. I'd rather have 20 people signup with a check from inside one of my avs member areas, than 20 people signup with a check from some 2-bit tgp (ignoring the factor of member retention from those two sources, of course). The bad thing about avs guys? I always found, they never worked to well with recurring sponsors. They're not afraid to signup to porn sites of course, but most of them are aware of the rebilling issue, and will stay there for a good few days (even if they sleep through most of their trial period), but they WON'T forget to cancel. Of course, that is my own experience. Other people's may be different... Regardless, the question is "why do people still post galleries?" As a short answer, because some people to find it to be profitable. Maybe some only make $200 per month from it, but... uh, each to their own. ;-)) A per signup sponsor will usually give credit for signups on either processor, as could a partnership running their own software and cutting their own checks (i.e, not providing third party stats... such as TopBucks partnership). Anyway. Using a sponsor such as Triple X Cash where you don't get credit for both primary and backup. The majority of signups will make it via the primary processor. For example, a site using iBill with Epoch as backup. Most signups will make it through will iBill, those that don't are bumped to Epoch as you know. Using a paysite as an example, the bigger the paysite, the more signups happening... the more averaged out you'll find the figures will be, hence a paysite doing 1000 signups per day will give a more accurate view of numbers in general (of the percentage of signups going through the primary processor, compared to the percentage going through the secondary processor) than a small paysite that does maybe only 5 signups per day. That percentage would be different all sites and vary from day to day, but it could probably be averaged out to and in Myself, I'm not sure on the percentages of signups on the first processor compared to percentage of signups on the secondary processor. The figure is different for all sites... and as I already said, it can vary wildly from day to day, but I'm sure that it can be averaged out to create a boundary (for example, 15 to 20%) of signups that happen via the backup processor, for the paysite community as a whole. And that is your short winded answer. Maybe KimmyKim will pop up to provide some numbers and/or comment on them. Last edited by ldinternet; 08-05-2002 at 07:59 AM..

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