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if not sites so few don't did this, then this not few sites did isn't!

agree with ya there, but you should still change it to "2004-2007". Looks better!

Anyway, the memersarea preview is a good feature! It sure does make the ratios better! I'm gonna add it as well...

pretty old idea you are kicking around here. but yeh, i wonder why more people dont do it.

I knew before I clicked this thread that it was going to be some lame spam, I am just here for the entertainment.

Hey Grandpa, a whole lot of sites at least mention what you're going to get on the join page...Here's the joinpage from tushylickers for an example.

http://www.tushylickers.com/join/index.aspx

You don't have to put a glorified screenshot of the members area to let them know what they're going to get.

I did that years ago on a number of pay sites I ran. Not sure why I haven't done it since.

It is not the point of showing the surfer what he will get... If thats the case I can tell you there are many formats of showing the surfer examples of what he will get see in the members area.

Lets compare it with the "calendar model" which is still used by Pix and video and clubsandy.

Example: http://www.pixandvideo.com/preview/gallery

That looks very different but it is very similar at your model.

Like I said, some sites choose to show the surfer only the 5 latest sets on the first page because they are unique and different from the others or because they contain a different model blablabla. If they would switch to any other model it wouldnt mean they would convert better....

And another point, some sites cant do it because their niche is very targetted and is not as wide as your site.

Your site can be devided in alot of subpages:
* Teens 1520 scenes
* Solo Girls 1207 scenes
* Lesbians 284 scenes

and so on

But if I was a site owner of a site that is only and only about facials and facial humiliation I would absolutely choose to only show the last 5-10 scenes on the first page of my tour. Why?? Because all the scenes are in the same niche.

I know a site (Lady Sonia) who could do it this way though... Why? Because i think she fits in alot of niches

* CFNM
* Femdom
* BDSM
* milf/mature
* Latex
* Fetish

and so on

So it all depends on the sort of site you have, the niche you are targetting and the scene variation.

This should explain why it wouldnt work for alot of sites!

Wrong answer - wanna know how I know? Because it's self evident. Most programs show their members area for a dollar or two and give them a decent amount of content on the trial.

What you have on your hands with a paid trial member is someone you can 1-click into either:

a) a full membership to the site
b) 3rd party products

You are just offering a free trial with no way to bill the person, great job :thumbsup

Making money is not about 50 or 100 point changes in front door converions, it's about maximizing VPC and VPS while offering highly competitve products - which in turn allows you to attract the traffic with aggressive payouts, promotions, etc..

Dont you think that the big programs who make money have figured this stuff out? It's amazing how your logic is completely backwards - the reason most programs dont do it is because it doesnt make more money, not because they arent as smart as you and never thought of it or that they would lose sales becasue their members area sucks.

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What do I add to the board? Good question and I'm so glad you asked it.

In this thread I have given people something to think about. Would their site convert better if they opened it up?

Would they be better off promoting a site that they could write about a little differently, for instance. "The thing I really like about this site is the owner's so confident you'll like what he does he's prepared to show you the whole site before you pay." Or something along those lines.

Is there a different way to promote a site than the same old cookie cutter tour.

Should a sponsor spend more time on converting traffic than throwing more traffic at a tour.

Should a webmaster think outside the box. "With all the people who hate Paul I bet his site is under exposed, maybe I would be better off sending some traffic there." Well some will think outside the box. :1orglaugh

And what have I given you?

The chance to whore your signature and earn a few more cents. How is the signature selling business? Apologies if you own the company in your signature, just assuming as you act like an idiot you do not. :winkwink:

two words
video box
or one word
videobox
:)

oh and... hi david ;)

And we know how much the surfer trusts the trials sign ups. :1orglaugh

In an industry where the average conversion rate sucks, most people telling you it's getting tougher and everyone copying the pack, $1 trials, nice to see so many free thinkers whoring their signatures. :1orglaugh

And protecting themselves.

I've been doing this for years bud, and no it's not rocket science that it boosts up your conversions.

As for why more do not do it. I think there are a lot of sites that are set up for snatch and grab. As in the money. Not set up for longevity chief.

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What metric do you use to be so confident in your statement? Or are you simply placing yourself on some lofty high-ground because you dont have trials. It must be some stroke of genious like every idea and business practice you passive-aggressively use to spam the board with.

Videosz.com :2 cents:

What more do you need to see before you join?

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lot of programs do this. except they do it for their trial members and you make them upgrade to full for access more shit. works well.

Paul, still thinking about a reply to my post, come on! The first and probably the last serious reply you got in this thread, reply to it! Spread your knowledge!

No I went to watch the TV and then to bed.

Yes I see your point. Some sites are big and showing the inside to a surfer gives them an edge because of their diversity. Seems a lot are shooting at me for telling people about these sites.

So if a site is very narrow in appeal it's best not to show how narrow it is until the surfer has signed up.

Now factor in the sites that a surfer has signed up to and found the tour shows 20 scenes and the site has only 20 scenes. We all know these sites exist. Does the surfer and affiliate deserve to know what a site contains before they waste time and money?

Barefootsies you hit the nail on the head. Sites set up for smash and grab. Now factor in more sites going the open route and soon more surfers are asking themselves why other sites don't do it, they lose sales, affiliates lose sales, traffic flow gets diverted.

But does the industry as a whole lose one single paying surfer? I don't think so. Sorry if your site can't show the surfer what he's buying but that is your problem and this is business. Not a social club where we all conform to your rules because you can't step it up.

In the long run does the industry grow stronger or weaker by showing the customer what he's getting?

Dollarmansteve are you saying as an industry we are gaining the surfers trust or not? I would say reading some of the threads about the way honest review sites are building traffic the answer is yes. Could we do more to get the surfers trust? Again I think the answer is yes.

I'm sure you can step up to the plate and benefit from this. :winkwink:

Like I said, there are many (if not all) sites that show the surfer what he is getting and if sites are not following your route they are not showing the surfer what he will get???

I am not talking about those 10-set-sites but I am talking about the bigger sites like Bangbus sites, Exploitedteens and Lady-Sonia. Those sites just want to show their surfers the latest updates previews and not a preview for the whole members area.

It is just a different way of displaying your offer to the surfer, not more.

And all great sites, showing updates and proving they are updates is good and shows the site is alive. Do you think the industry would benefit or suffer if Visa told us to show the customer what he's getting?

I know some individual sites/programs would, talking about the industry as a whole.

This idea is similar to updates pages without samples so it's not new. My friend tried it few years ago but it didn't improve ratios so he gave up. Seems like it depends on traffic, niche etc.

another thing is that there are many sites with great tours and shitty members areas with very small amount of content. they would definitely suffer if tried this idea.

I believe that is the answer that PMT was attempting to extract out of this thread, and then to follow up with... "look at the size of mine - promote me!".

In all fairness to PMT, he is here promoting his business and at least attempting to talk about industry related topics. There are tons of people on GFY that are more worthy of negative attention. While PMT's threads maybe a little annoyingly packaged, they are at least related to the industry. And he is someone who is actively working in the industry. Unlike many here.

I believe that PMT IS attempting to deliver a good product, and he is making efforts to improve his business, learn more, and make cash. IMO there is nothing wrong with him doing this. He brings more to the board than many other people who are blindly tolerated here.

I say keep up the good work PMT but try to reduce the pre menstrual tension in the way you package your 'discussions'. :2 cents:

As far as most programs improving their ratios. Sure, it is worth the time to do that especially if you run up against a traffic wall. For the most part though it is easier to double your traffic than to halve your conversion ratios. It is a LOT easier to triple your traffic than triple your signup ratio. Most big programs - hell, most programs - spend more time on getting affiliates and traffic than improving ratios. This is the nature of the business and where the most profits for the given effort lies. Ther eare some exceptions - some that do an awesome job at both (Twistys comes to mind)

Paul, I think the reason a lot of people have an issue with you - and I am not judging you myself - is that people aren't sure what credibility you have on running a successful paysite or program. They probably wonder whether you are tweaking 10 new signups per day to 12 or whether you are tweaking 100 to 120.

I never claimed it was new, my idea, unique to me or anything like it. I asked why more did not employ it. With very bad grammar. :(

Yes many would suffer if this was more wide spread and maybe some of the haters are scared of this. Not my job to suggest methods to suit the weakest and least able. This is business.

macker you mean you don't want to know how many times I jerk off, what music I'm listening to or Poker or Anna Nicole or any of the subjects of other lame threads? Some people tell me I'm a spammer as if talking about your business is a bad thing. :1orglaugh

ADL Colin like I said people find it easier to throw traffic at it rather than improve what they have. Wonder which one brings in more long term traffic, more people competing or better ratios. Don't do as many as 100 a day and don't do as few as 10 a day. But what I do know is it's growing all the time. And it's easier than running a content store.

I do know we don't get enough traffic, but who does. :1orglaugh

Just do a search for "Paul Markham" on here and a few other boards. You will see why so many people give Paul shit :)

He's had a tiny paysite for a couple of years and now he knows everything there is to know about the interweb. His e-penis is huge !

Yep. We have people pasting often irrelevant spams into every thread they can, big-time sigwhores who haven't added a single interesting or amusing post since they started. No problem. Yet the sheep climb all over PM.

The traffic leaks thing was tired even before it got old, because this is an industry in which, so long as you are cool, you can get away with crapping on people for years and most beg for more. But Paul isn't cool, so the sheep can safely knock him, knowing they will have lots of company.

Yes he often doesn't know when to let go. Yes he is overly single minded and his core message is one a lot of people don't want to hear. Yes he makes mistakes (anyone here who doesn't?) and personally I'm not a fan of his type of content, although I would rather send surfers to his site than to 90% of the over-priced, third-rate rubbish people promote without a second thought.

Look at this thread. Most of the posts don't attempt to answer his question. Some were obviously written without bothering to read it. Put someone down if you think you must, but don't make yourself look like a dummy in the process...

for some reason I am getting an error 500 when I got to your servers..

but you mean something like this


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