I like Brandon alot and have great respect for him, thats why Im surprised he would take part in this asslicking. That will give ICANN mark my words the impression we support this .I wouldnt be surprised if icm uses this as a look they really do support this.Also Brandon really isnt in our business at the end of the day.

how ironic, i have done more for this biz in the last 3 years than you have, and i don't run any porn sites.

you know i respect your opinions, but you are out on the deep-end with your current line of thinking.




Fight the telling it how it is!

Yes you have done alot but at the end of the day dude .xxx doesnt change your life or how you earn your living like it does mine. Tell me Im wrong

you are making it sound like .XXX is mandatory.

did anyone force adult webmasters into pre-registration for .XXX domains at ICM?

I know some that did pre-register.. and they said that when you did register, you could see company names of others..

Each business will have to decide if they want to get .XXX domains

The move to make it mandatory is clearly out there with already proposed bills that got tabled for now.

Having .xxx be approved, will surely make them come back.

If its mandatory, you have no choice, so there is no discussion points, other than the ones that attorneys will make in shooting down that law.

Since it is voluntary right now, and since there is alot of confusion or unawareness of the implications of .XXX, this panel is the perfect place to get a better understanding.

If you aren't going to get .XXX domains, that's your business decision.. but those that want to get it, will want to make their decisions based on a better understanding of what they are getting into.

Blasting those that purchase .XXX domains won't be too constructive either, since you could cite that ICANN will see that as acceptance.. but ya know what, webmasters will buy those .XXX domains.. its business.

Its no difference than the literally hundreds of discussions i had with webmasters concerning Acacia. I know many that took a license, and I never shunned them for it, i understand they made a business decision to license rather than to fight.

Those that did fight (and are still fighting).. did the industry pour/direct traffic to them to help them out? some did, but not as much as what should have been.



Fight the fingerpointing!

why the rollover all of a sudden?Once again tell me Im wrong this shit doesnt change your life at the least?For you its a academic exercise and Im not being mean, its the truth.You dont have to worry about 2257, or your stuck in a cyber ghetto and watching your earnings go down the toilet.It will become law mark my within one year of it being accepted mark my words.


Fight the ass fucking and those handing out the lube!

you are exactly right, that at the end of the day, .XXX gets approved, it will not affect my businesses.

2257 changes people lives

credit card regulations change peoples lives

obscenity prosecutions change people lives

patent abuse changes people lives


you have repeatedly posted in several threads towards me that none of this affects my livelihood.. i get it, move on..... If i have to be a pornographer to address these issues, then thats some odd membership requirement.

Why don't you step up? Why don't you become more active with FSC?

Have you asked them how you can direct your passion for your profession to help out? Giving a couple hundred bucks is a good answer for most, but money alone doesn't cause change, its only one vehicle, the most effective is active participation.

Webmasters who aren't renewing their FSC dues.. .shame on you as being pornographers who are being attacked on so many sides and not supporting the organization that has historically and continually fighting for your rights to do what you do.

Those that do purchase .XXX domains.. know that $10/domain is going to IFFOR which stands for International Foundation for Online Responsibility.


So while you are funding an entity that is looking to control how your .XXX domains are being used, be sure to apply give $10/domain purchased to FSC so they can have the funds to try and undo whatever IFFOR will do.



Fight the soapbox!

lets see it makes a big point, that this doesnt change your life because you tell me Im on a soapbox its my livelihood not yours.
It also sounds like your accepting this when its not over,going to sit up there and throw this scumbag softball questions.
You are feeding the illusion of support for .xxx and thats not a positive.
I bring that up when you talk casually about things that don't effect you. Its great your involved and I have praised you for that,I dont understand what the payoff is for you.I mean kids with cancer is a better cause then the porn industry lol
I couldnt get FSC to return a simple email with a question. lol FSC hasnt exactly taken a big stand on this, I havent seen a new letter from them at icann, if there is one please correct me.
Posting on GFY is part of how I serve my industry, I cut thru bullshit love me or hate me I make people think, if they think chances are something will happen.

you are living the delusion of my perceived support for .xxx


Fight the Harvey!

You nailed that on the head. :thumbsup

Look I think we can all see through the bullshit here...even FTP.

The bottom line is that this seminar is an attempt to lead us to slaughter at the appearance of giving us something useful. We all know the kind of person Stuart Lawley is and we all know that this seminar will have no effect on what ICM Registry intends to do.

If they wont answert questions like who supports this then I just don't see the point. I'm like DWB I'm not going to do business with anyone who supports or benefits from this TLD period so I want to know who those people are.

Lets take ASACP we already know that they will benefit and as such have declared "neutrality" on the issue. Well if ASACP sends that money back and tells Stuart Lawley to stick it up his ass, set fire to it and die then I will support ASACP If they take the money then as far as I am concerned I hope they choke on it.

Hey I encourage y'all to attend and I encourage you to hold feet to the fire but know that you aren't going to come out with anything that benefits you. This whole thing is just another step in the stroke job to make .XXX look more palatable.

Drafting FTP as a mod was brilliant, it gives the appearance of neutrality but the truth is FTP is purely symbolic there, not he nor you is going to influence anything, the outcome has already been determined you are simply there to listen to it.

Well put Mike - good summary :thumbsup

Wrong answer. Important questions are relevant to where you stand on this issue, how you operate your business and how you are planning for the future.

While some of these questions may not be important to you or the panel, they are damn important to some of us. Thus ALL questions need to be answered. WE are the ones that stand to lose the most, not YOU or anyone who has a hand in .XXX.

To have any panel where the questions are restricted will defeat the purpose of even having a panel in the first place. If it is not a free forum where ALL respectful questions will be answered, then it simply becomes a podium for them to tell us how it's going to be. I am surprised you do not see that. This is one hell of a spin job, and everyone is buying into it.


We know what it's about... MONEY.

Since we all know that, we want real questions. We want to know why they will cost $75 and not the price of a normal domain. There is no reason for this. We want to know who made money off of this deal. Who sold us out? We want to know who deserves our traffic, our ad money and our respect. And while that may not be relevant to you or the panel, to some of us who still hold moral business values, that means everything.

We want to know if the owners of .COM will get first dibs on .XXX. If not, why? And what about the thousands or millions some have spent to brand those .COM domains? Who eats that if we are forced to give up our .COMs?

Who will take responsibility and step up to the plate when this thing goes sour and we all get fucked? Will they have our backs and fight with us, or hike up the rate to $200 per .XXX domain? Will they even answer their e-mail, or blow us off like the late Ibill, Paymond, or the current slackers Epassport (answer your e-mails fuckers).

We also want to know if plans are already in the works to filter .XXX, to block .XXX or harm us in any other way. You can bet your ass the plans are already in the works, so we may as well get them out in the open so we can plan accordingly.

Since it is clear this is not for the children, we want to know how this may be passing yet almost the entire industry is against it? Not a single person I know supports this, and nobody they know. NOT ONE!!! I have asked. Yet, here we are. So someone is about to get PAID on this deal... Xbiz?

Is this the REAL reason Tom Hymes went to Xbiz? Was this all one big set up? Was this planned from the moment they were foiled the first with plans to pay another party for each domain?

Too many fucking questions, ALL OF THEM RELEVANT!!!


Fight EVERYONE who will not answer your questions!

1) you going to turn back in your AVN awards? :winkwink:


2) Neutral? Lawley is the first person that knows my position against .XXX (http://www.FightTheDotXXX.com - tho haven't updated it for a while)

I have a long standing record of my opposition, and as a moderator, that is an odd position to be in since i am clearly not neutral, but I have kept my opposition civil and rationale, and not into the emotional name-calling-knee-jerk reactions.

This is not a debate, its a panel to hear questions and answers. Those that are going to buy domains will most likely want to know what they are buying into. Those that aren't buying domains, don't need to bother then with whatever is said.

Adult webmasters were pre-registering with ICM to register their interest in their .XXX domains.. that is a fact.

Businesses will make their business decision to buy domains and won't be influenced by any rantings, but instead of facts.. and right now, there aren't many facts.. and that's what the panel is about...separating facts from spin and bullshit.

So if you are not going to be at the panel, then offer up some questions that helps to get to the facts.

Asking what industry players are involved, won't get you any answers.

If you think that webmasters shouldn't register .XXX then tell everyone to boycott it and see if they do it.


Fight the windmills!

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/3539_004.jpg

Those who support .XXX are the type of guys who would fuck another person in the ass and not even have the god damned common courtesy to give them a reach around. :upsidedow

1) i addressed this, and will again. *I* as the moderator, who has the first 20 minutes to ask questions, am not going to ask bullshit questions that aren't relevant to the scope of the panel. Xbiz has never censored any questions, and when I open up to Q&A of the audience, ANYONE can ask ANY question they wish. Are we clear on this point now?

2) um... exactly. ICM/IFFOR is going to do what they are going to. They aren't asking the adult biz for any permissions. They are there to explain what they are going to do, because quite frankly, we don't know what they intend to do because it has been vague. If you aren't going to buy .XXX domains, then this is all background noise. If webmasters are going to buy .XXX domains, better to know what you are buying into... wouldn't you agree?

3) it will cost $60/domain. $75/domain was what was reported 2-3 years ago. out of the $60, $10 goes to IFFOR.

I repeat my comment from my previous post:

Those that do purchase .XXX domains.. know that $10/domain is going to IFFOR which stands for International Foundation for Online Responsibility.

So while you are funding an entity that is looking to control how your .XXX domains are being used, be sure to apply give $10/domain purchased to FSC so they can have the funds to try and undo whatever IFFOR will do.


4) this is a very important question.. because the other country TLD's (like co.uk, .jp, .dk) would say they have just as much right to the .XXX as a .com

So don't you want to know what that policy will be?


5) Seems to be the FSC is in the place for that.. see point #3 about supporting FSC

6) if you have been following .XXX, you will know that ICM has been going around the world to gain support for .XXX from so many groups outside the US. The requirement for use of ICRA labelling brings in people like Microsoft, Verizon, etc.. does that make you go hmmmm about filtering?

Of course .XXX is going to be used for filtering. No different than blacklists from Netnanny to firewall/proxy boxes. If an adult doesn't want to see porn and certainly to restrict a child's viewing, that;s absolutely fine in my book, and whatever technology they use to do so, is their own right, much like your right to your livelihood. Porn sites are blocked today without a .XXX .XXX would have to be massively adopted internationally before it provides any kind of effective filtering.. since .XXX is voluntary, there is no motivatio to use .XXX other than to preserve your cyber real estate.

This is why one strategy to cope with .XXX is to park the domain and not use it as your main domain, and keep the IP of your .COM separate from the IP of .XXX

7) Tom's reason for leaving FSC to go to Xbiz is his personal reason. Was it a mastermind plot as you suggest? puh-leeez... the conjectures are amazing and certainly proves the ignorance of the work that people are doing on your behalf.. and its not for lack of public release.. Tom personally delivered Larry Flynt's letter of opposition to ICANN last year.



You posed some great questions, keep them coming... the fingerpointing is getting old.


Fight the alienation!

if xxx becomes mandatory and ruins the livelyhoods of webmasters are you and those who backed it prepared for violent vigilantes?

not only would I give the award back I would throw it at em....but Paul Fishbein himself is on record with me and others as being against .xxx. AVN and AVNOnline have both take editorial stands against .XXX Farley who runs AVNOnline has taken a stand against .xxx so I dont think AVN is in collusion here.

FTP I think yer a decent guy and I know where you stand on this but bottom line is that XBiz has come under intense heat over this and they needed badly to appear more netral if not anti .xxx so drafting you was a brilliant move, they know that your presence isn't going to change anything and you are one of the leaders in this whole fight the .xxx thing.

On the one hand I understand your accepting, you do everything you can to help stop it however small the chance may be.

On the other hand telling them to fuck off and die and that you'd sooner share a stage with Charlie Manson as Stuart Lawley makes a pretty strong statement too....

i would share a stage with Charlie Manson, in all the interviews i have seen of him have been quite interesting.. so is Marilyn Manson... very insightful things he brings up on the hyprocrasy of society.


Fight the beautiful people!

I am very pleased that Brandon is heading up the panel, XBIZ couldn't have picked a anyone with more integrity or ability to lead a productive discussion.

Brad

As part of the material used by ICM in support of their application to ICANN, ICM have agreed that .XXX TLD's will require labeling, prohibit child pornography and that ICM will appoint independent association/s to monitor and "oversee" compliance.

Which parties have been, or planned to be, appointed to monitor and oversee compliance and what are their credentials?

The core objection being that a registrar has no rights to "oversee" anyone - all they are ask to do is perform a service at a competitive price or shut up shop. If a possible offense exists - report it to a credible law agency.

Qualified law enforcement agencies exist internationally to handle "child pornography" and other related issues. ICM may wish to paint pictures of how responsible they are by offering ICANN scraps of bread and promises of oversight. However, that level of hypocrisy is barely one step away from Helmy et al.

Bottom line - Never will ICM, ICANN or any idiot lining his pockets be monitoring my ass.

And a 2 cents thought - The monitoring issue is not a game I'll be playing with either ICM or ICANN and, even forgetting the main adult industry concerns over .XXX TLD's - this issue alone means no interest in .xxx's. (This has nothing to do with reporting CP etc - tho don't report CP to stupid hypocritical industry organizations - there are more relevant agencies.)

Which is the basic flaw in panels such as this: uncomfortable questions are ignored while whoever is the subject gets to present prepared answers which say no more than a typical press release.

XXX is setting up this industry to be raped. Giving the would-be rapist a public forum is affording a veneer of respectability that ICM does not deserve.

Here is a company cynically applying to be registrar in the guise of attempting to protect minors, when its principals have to know - at least as well as anyone here - that this TLD will not do that at all. This is a company which doesn't care if it facilitates the eventual ghettoization of this industry, so long as it makes a profit. This is a company with such a poor reputation, that it is widely suspected of having made secret deals to gain much of whatever support it has within the industry.

So asking if ICM made sweetheart deals and if so, with whom, is not irrelevant. Indeed if ICM will not answer that question, it should not be given a forum in which to answer others, not least because if ICM has little credibility, what sense does it make to place any credence in the answers to hypotheticals about minutiae?

This is a company which may be given a monopoly such that one day it could in effect be deciding who can operate in online porn and on what terms. If its application to be the registrar for the XXX TLD isn't totally transparent and honest, details they can interpret and renegotiate as they go along, are the real irrelevancy.

Addition to previous post:

If a party wishes to operate a TLD there is no obligation or requirement to undertake to do anything other than manage that TLD.

This does not include donating excessive domain charges to third rate "charities" who act as intermediaries with law agencies or engaging other organizations to monitor the owner/operators of these TLD's.

Tho I may be a strong supporter of action against child abuse, it is not the responsibility of any TLD operator or the adult industry to assume rights in this area. To do so is crass hypocrisy of the lowest order - and another form of abuse of children. Engaging in hypocritical activity does not gain the respect of others working in the area of child protection or law agencies - the most you'll get from a govt officer working in this area is a dry smirk, and rightly.



Fight the hyprocrisy - and avoid spewing up :pimp

No, we are not. As a moderator and given the fact that YOU have the first 20 minutes to deliver some incredibly hard hitting answers, then along with that job should come the responsibility of asking the most difficult questions and not the simple ones that the webmasters can ask when you are done. If you can't do that, and you feel that any question you do not agree with is not relevant, with all due respect, maybe you should pass the job off to someone with a set of balls who can see this for what it is.

While I'm sure you will do a great job, and I am not attacking you, I am saying that with this gig I feel you took on a certain amount of responsibility and by doing so, you now speak for all of us. And if you are going to speak for all of us, for that first 20 minutes, then ALL respectful questions are relevant to this panel.

Well they should. They intend to ass rape us, one .XXX domain at a time. This is about greed, nothing else. And yes, I know what I am buying, it will be a series of steps, one at a time, closer to the demise of this industry.


I will wait for the press release on that one. No need to waste hot air on an answer they will dodge or not have a true answer for. I mean, it doesn't matter what I think either way right?


You mean like how they are protecting producers from inspections, while the FBI inspects them anyway? ;-)


The only way to achieve this is to force us to give up our .com domains. Otherwise, everyone will still be able to view porn. How fucking dumb does a person have to be to not see this?


No finger pointing, those are ALL legit questions.

In regards to Tom leaving the FSC, I don't know him or his true agenda. None of us do. Maybe he is a good man, maybe he is a bottom feeder, who knows? Just the same as I was fucked over by someone I thought was my friend (see sig), I do not trust anyone in this business anymore ESPECIALLY those who are trying to hurt the industry or spin the .XXX bullshit. And with all due respect, on some of your posts in this thread, you do sound like you're spinning it. Especially in regards to my first question that you refuse to accept as an important one, one that even a moderator should be asking. The mere fact that you say it, my question, is a bull shit questions and it is not relevant to the scope of the panel, throws a red flag and makes me question if you are the right person to be asking questions at all. And I say that based only on the fact that you think, what I feel (any many others feel) is one of the most important questions, and you dismiss it as not relevant and bullshit. Your response to that sums it all up nicely.

I don't know you and you have never bought me drinks, so I can't say you're a stand up guy. :upsidedow But I have always read your posts and agree with most of what you have to say. With that said, you do sound a lot like you are spinning the issue in regards to .XXX.

I'm not here to argue with you, but I do feel that you need to consider what IS relevant to the people you are going to be speaking for. You do not stand to lose what we will lose. :2 cents:

Fight the first 20 minutes!

exactly. which is why .XXX TLD is such a unique TLD... that IFFOR was needed to be created to provide some kind of ovesight because ICANN didn't want to do it, but what has evolved is that .XXX is a content-based TLD that has guidelines and rules that go beyond other TLDs.

This is the rough waters that ICANN is sitting in, is certainly the focus by outside forces like Canada, who are saying that ICANN is overstepping its mission.

There is a whole other battle being waged at ICANN's level about what they are doing.

This .XXX panel is facing the direct result of planning and agreements that has created the structure around IFFOR and ICM.



So besides which industry players are involved in .XXX, any other questions?

I have presented several links to source documents for which ICANN has received, read, and will ultimately be making their thumbs up/down decision in a few months.

Anything in there worth bringing up? I'll be diving into all the documents later on.


Fight the arm chair!

Since this is pretty much a done deal...

Will all registars be selling .XXX or will we have to use just one? And if so, what security measures will be in place to protect the domain from high jacking?

Also, what information will we be required to provide to this registar when purchasing a .XXX domain?

ICM thought it was a done deal last time around when ICANN voted thumbs down, and its not over until the nails are in the coffin.

I believe that the technical issues of the agreement may have been worked out, that the objections that some countries have made, may have been addressed.

Canada's recent posting against ICANN's expansion of their mission with content-based TLD is a very good sign and insight into the other battles that are going on above us.

I believe that the direct input of the adult industry on .XXX being bad, is long since past. Right now, it is the objections of the individual countries that is the voice, and as citizens in those countries, the vocal opposition that is being made on the ICANN board does have representation through the country level.. not at the industry level.

In all of this, i am not conceding defeat.. i am just looking at it now from a different angle to understand what does all of this mean, beyond the top level idea of .XXX = bad.

That's why this .XXX panel is important to ask questions and listen to answers.


Fight the fat lady singing!

Why should I be offended that you can't see the big picture? That sounds like a personal problem. :2 cents:

point taken.


Fight the short reply!

I got one, if dot coms get first chance say if the com is not being actively used but the .net is, who gets it?
Do people have a real shot at the cherry domains? Like Video.xxx? or are those already spoken for?
What will you be doing for a day job when .xxx is shot down once and for all? lol I couldnt help it lol

Sure Brandon - this scenario does not fall within the ICANN brief and is, as you prob know, a sore point with other nations as well as Canada and ruffling ICANN a little.

So... Since IFFOR are the "sponsoring organization" supporting ICM in their application to ICANN.. there may be a grain of relevance in establishing who IFFOR actually are and the motivation for establishing this organisation (sure we know, but that's another story) and what activitities it has undertaken towards "international online responsibility" since it's inception.

Related questions are along the lines of...
What activities has IFFOR been involved in or organized as part of it's role towards "international online responsibility"?
Is IFFOR a registered charity? If so, what is the Register Charity Number and the the legal entity name it operates under?
Who are the officers?
When did IFFOR start operating?
Who funds the costs of IFFOR overhead?
Who is the registrant of iffor.org? (sure we know, but illustrates something)
Why does ICM make claims that "IFFOR is and will remain independent from ICM Registry" when Stuart Lawley/A Technology Company, Inc. owns the domain name, iffor.org and the same ownership exists for icmregistry.com?

Bottom line... the application to ICANN is based on another one of Jason Hendeles 'stategic plans' to fake up substance for the application using a purported 'charity' which has no track record, claims to be independent and is owned/controlled by the applicants.

Hendeles is not unknown for his exaggerations - there are several claims of his abilities in the application to ICANN which are clearly false. This is very close to the business ethics of iBill and similar to other Hendeles 'corporate designs" such as NMN (National Moving Network) which were fraudulent.

Simplified, we are talking about corporate scam artists here - not businessmen with a social conscious.



PS Instead of asking questions, the session needs to be in the form of a deposition taken by lawyers in preparation for future legal action :pimp

Here is my question


"Where you born this much of an asshole, or is it something you work at really hard to accomplish?"

This is an excellent summary of why .xxx is bad as posted up to ICANN by Paul Zapf. Paul, excellent write up!

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00593.html

Fight the long read!


ps. for those that need cliff notes for this, .xxx = bad

see also this thread

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/703172-breaking-news-changed-prediction-regarding-xxx-read-care-xxx.html

Well said Mike! :thumbsup


FTP - You were obviously asked to moderate the .xxx forum because of your long term stance AGAINST .xxx and clearly most webmasters support you in being AGAINST .xxx If now you are not prepared to ask the right questions -regardless of how tough they are - you are no longer representing what the vast majority of adult webmasters really want.

Everyone here can see it by simply reading your posts, so why not just be honest? Why the change in game plan?

I have appreciated all the responses, and in particular DirtyWhiteBoys post to me on this subject, and I will ask the question (knowing full well it won't get the desired response), and move on to my list of questions that should give clarification answers to other vague or misunderstood issues.


Fight the rhetorical!

while alot of people want to see this list of .XXX supporters, and i do believe there is such a list, i am troubled in general by the separate and divide.

Same thing happened with Acacia.. webmasters wanted to know which companies sold out.. and talked about boycotting those companies.

While that boycotting talk was going on, i repeatedly and consistantly said, boycotting is not the answer.. the better answer is to support those that are in the fight.. those that are spending lots of money to knock down an issue that affects all webmasters.

While there were some that did help to support financially and to send traffic, it wasn't the response that anyone would have like to have seen, that showed the adult community did support those that were in the fight on their behalf... it showed, much like with PBS fundraiser drives, a few will support and the rest will just coast on the benefits.

Funding for FSC is in the same boat.. it's the one organization that has adult webmasters interest at heart, but the financial support isn't as strong as it should be.

So all of this talk of getting upset with .XXX is all well and good, but the reality is as a whole, this industry has not stepped up.

Sponsors could have emailed their affiliates last year to get them to email into the comment period..

ICM has over 1,000 adult webmasters from around the world that submitted support for .XXX that he presented to ICANN (this was published in an interview with him in avnonline article).

We couldn't get 1,000 webmasters to post up against. There hasn't been 1,000 different nicks posting up against .XXX even in keyboard warrior mode.

Affiliate webmasters have the most to lose in all of this, and only a few sponsors have been stepping up, as you can see from the public stance taken a year ago at my website: http://www.FightTheDotXXX.com

I would hope that what the 2257 issue has awaken people to the fact that "united we stand, divided we fall" rings so true.. that there are outside forces that challenges people's livelihoods..and to take action when called for.

as far as my "game plan".. the path of public debate over .XXX good vs bad was over years ago when those that gave their support helped to demonstrate that the adult industry wants .XXX, and the lack of large demonstrations last year, and its gone to a higher level of policy and politics.

What can be addressed is what does it mean to get a .XXX domain, what are its impacts and implications upon businesses. These are the kinds of questions that i am looking to target for answers, because purchasing a .XXX domain, means agreeing to a set of terms and conditions that doesn't exist for .COM names

With Acacia, 2257, and .XXX, and whatever future things that come, I can only hope that someday, the adult webmaster industry will stop being cats.



Fight the herding!

FightThisPatent, I always agreed with you in 98%, but this time I really don't understand why you assume that "Xxx will be approved".

Did Stuart Lawley really convince you by sayiing that your definition of sponsored community was wrong and his difinition was right? (OK, I believe I asked this already)

Most importantly, do you know the opinions of ICANN BOARD DIRECTORS regarding .xxx? That's like 15 different people and all of them has his/her own opinion and although we shouldn't be too naive and idealistic when it comes to how the new TLD approval process works, I'm sure they are having debates around this subject and each of them has their own opinion, which... sometimes..sometimes... can be influenced by arguments as well. :winkwink:

As I stated above, ICANN is aware of the upcoming Xbiz conference and the presense of the ICM guys there, but that doesnt mean either that it's an indication of adult industry support towards .xxx.

In my opinion, being strongly opposed towards the geneal .xxx idea can help.... while getting answers if one can register muslims.xxx is an academic discussion.

Just ask them why they dont think passing .XXX will result in the instant doubling (at the least) of adult websites on the internet.

If I own 20 .com domains right now that are adult, I'm going to buy the matching 20 .xxx and there ya go. Simple.

ok, I see you already replied to me to same questions in another thread :)

too many of them suddenly to keep track :winkwink:

Your implication is that these activities are mutually exclusive and that is not true.

When an issue is current, it needs to be fought and thus doing so (or supporting those who are fighting) makes sense.

However, there is also the future. The main consequence of there traditionally having been no price to pay for working contrary to the long-term interests of the industry, surely must be to encourage a similar attitude among others in the future. I believe that front needs to be fought too, which is where boycotting comes in.

Take the situation with Zango: in a more organized industry, the only way programs would have got involved, were if they were already operating without affiliates or had immediate plans to do so. Even then they might have hesitated for fear of legal action over trademark abuse, etc.

As it is, even the worst offenders can still show up at our industry events and are still welcome on boards like this. So not only does the daily hijacking of thousands of dollars from both affiliates and other sponsors continue unabated, but what message is being sent for when the next scam comes along?

You get in a fight with someone, you don't just defend yourself. If you want to make sure they don't come back and that everyone in the audience will think twice before tangling with you, you punish them.