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FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

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So why would you NOT want to protect the children AND our industry at the same time?[/COLOR]

some great questions.

your last question is a very interesting one, because to protect children, means filtering and blocking and i am sure 99.9% of adult webmasters don't want children to be looking at their stuff.... but this is also about adults who don't want to see porn....

whether with labeling with ASACP's RTA label (http://www.rtalabel.org), using ICRA, or having the .XXX extension, these elements can and would be used by filtering technology to block.

There are already blacklists that firewall/proxy hardware uses in corporate america.. using additional ways to block will certainly be added.

The flipside argument is not looking at who is being filtered out, but who will be filtered in.. ie. adults who want to see porn will find it easier to spot (i know that is a stretch because porn is so easy to find).

For example... veganporn.com , not a porn site, but you would think it was by looking at it.

veganporn.xxx would visually indicate a porn site.

So the argument that ICM/IFFOR has suggested is that this visual marking will keep kids and adults out because they saw the .XXX warning.

This same argument has been applied to the "click if over 18", but we know minors can still get in, but by doing so, was to put up some kind of defensivable position in court to show that the website had done what it could to warn about the "sexually explicit" content inside.

I believe that those Congressman that think .XXX is going to be some magic answer to protect children and adult from seeing "the bad" stuff, they should make .XXX a safe-harbour zone.. meaning if you have a .XXX domain, then there is no way to prosecute for obscenity, because the domain was clearly labelled.

I think that this kind of talk would make many conservatives and religious folks shudder because it would clearly say that porn was ok and was protected as long as it was in its "virtual red light district".

Fight the mylittlepony.xxx!

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

And that is what needs to happen.

If I knew a company was selling, promoting ANYTHING harmful to this industry, I would cease all business with them.

Then you would probably be not promoting several large programs or stop reading a magazine.... and i understand that is what you would do.

The reason that you don't see a published list of supporters by the anti-.XXX folks, is because alot of talk is hearsay, gossip, rumours, etc. Some people have been privy to direct conversations, but if they started to publish the info, they would get hit with a lawsuit as well as losing any kind of traffic/biz deals they had going.

.XXX is not about protecting kids, its about making .$$$ on traffic and cyberspace real estate.

Fight the boycotting!

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

on a second note, does anyone IN THIS INDUSTRY really cares, that should the .xxx TLD be approved, would anyone be able to register muslims.xxx or not?

I mean this can be viewed as an interesting question, but I don't see the relevancy to us...... unless someone who will be sitting in the audience is already shooting content and his dream is to open a hardcore paysite under muslims.xxx and then skin GFY for a week to get everyone promoting him?

the question goes more towards what concessions were made to appease GAC members of ICANN (the international community).

Other TLDs don't have as many restrictions, rules, etc that this .XXX TLD has, which makes this a very unique TLD... that statement alone is what has caused alot of concern amongst those watching the ICANN process, that the development of the namespace is being carved out with restrictions and rules.

Fight the dub-yah.xxx!

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 07:30 AM

For those that want some more reading on .XXX plans:

http://www.icann.org/tlds/kids3/HTML/Annex_1.html

this line is interesting:

"ICM Registry is proposing the creation of two TLDs-.XXX for adult entertainment and .KIDS for material geared to Internet users aged 12 and under-both managed through a revolutionary registry model developed by the company. The model is applicable for the development and management of any TLD, though the two embedded in the ICM Registry proposal specifically and effectively address some key public policy concerns raised by ICANN."

further down:

"ICM Registry believes that its model presents the best opportunity to successfully balance these interests, while preserving the Internet as the key medium not just for consumer choice but for the free exchange of ideas. For this reason, the ICM Registry proposal centers on the creation of two new TLDs:

* .XXX for adult entertainment;
* .KIDS for Internet use by children 12 and under."

so that brings up the natural question, has the .KIDS TLD idea been abandoned?

Fight the homework assignments!

Zester · 02-03-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

what happens to porn sites on .com domains that are operated by non-us individuals or companies?

good question.
also, what would happen to porn sites on a ccTLD (country code TLD) like hooters.ca (just an example, didn't if check what site is there) if ICANN deside every porn site to be on a .XXX tld ?

if nobody address this question i'll make a thread of this.

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zester

good question.
also, what would happen to porn sites on a ccTLD (country code TLD) like hooters.ca (just an example, didn't if check what site is there) if ICANN deside every porn site to be on a .XXX tld ?

a very good point and one that is definitely on the question list.

Fight the owls.xxx!

marcjacob · 02-03-2007, 08:14 AM

Why dont they make it mandatory for all Adult sites to have a meta tag in our head tags that programs can use to identify us as a porn site. Cheap and easy to implement and much much more effective for those who want their browser to filter out porn.

Zester · 02-03-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

a very good point and one that is definitely on the question list.

Fight the owls.xxx!

just be sure to use the spell checker and some better grammar on those questions of mine before you pass them on, cause taking a look at them now I realize i'm the laziest bastard on the net LOL

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Questions like "which industry players are supporting .XXX?" are not the kinds of questions that will get asked and answered.

I'm really disappointed in you. Really.

Basically no real questions that people really want answered will be allowed to be asked. Only stupid fluff bullshit that no one gives a fuck about, all under the guise of "assuming that .xxx has passed".

Out of curiosity, how much did you sell out for? I guess everyone has their price......

Personally, I couldn't imagine being part of a spin campaign like this .XXX panel is going to be. And NO DOUBT, it's a spin campaign, based solely on the "restrictions" about what can or can not be asked.

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kermey

Why dont they make it mandatory for all Adult sites to have a meta tag in our head tags that programs can use to identify us as a porn site. Cheap and easy to implement and much much more effective for those who want their browser to filter out porn.

That's exactly what has been proposed in like 2-3 congressional bills....

The problem is that in the language of those bills, you miss labelling one of your pages and you committed a felony.

better to voluntarily label like with http://www.rtalabel.org

Yes, it does mean that child protection software could use the label to block, but that is the point.

Yes, it does mean that corporations could use the tag (or icra or blacklists) to block porn sites at work (blocking).

Fight the tackling!

TampaToker · 02-03-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I'm really disappointed in you. Really.

Basically no real questions that people really want answered will be allowed to be asked. Only stupid fluff bullshit that no one gives a fuck about, all under the guise of "assuming that .xxx has passed".

Out of curiosity, how much did you sell out for? I guess everyone has their price......

Personally, I couldn't imagine being part of a spin campaign like this .XXX panel is going to be. And NO DOUBT, it's a spin campaign, based solely on the "restrictions" about what can or can not be asked.

This is the second person now i seen you talk shit about that you were way off base. FightThisPatent has been a active webmaster in are community and i think he is a very good choice for a moderator in this case. Now since you wanna make a statement like "how much did you sell out for?" I suggest that you back it up with some proof. Now go ahead and make 10k of threads how .xxx makes your elbows itch and your prostate tingles and quit talking shit about people you have no clue about.

If anyone you should be questioning is xbiz for allowing the platform to even happen in the first place

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

FightThisPatent has been a active webmaster in are community and i think he is a very good choice for a moderator in this case.

I agree I've seen him do a lot of good. However, when it comes to .xxx, all i've seen him do lately is regurgitate talking points from ICM.

And, I also agree he COULD have been a great choice for moderator, but for some reason, he's seemed to allow himself to be silenced, and in turn is willing to facilitate the gagging of the industry during the panel discussion.

Why be part of such a farse?

In fact, it almost seems to me they chose FightThePatent as moderator because he's someone that many feel are beyond reproach, and thus less people would be vocal about the "rules" and about what questions "can and can not" be asked.

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

1) Basically no real questions that people really want answered will be allowed to be asked. Only stupid fluff bullshit that no one gives a fuck about, all under the guise of "assuming that .xxx has passed".

2) Out of curiosity, how much did you sell out for? I guess everyone has their price......

3) Personally, I couldn't imagine being part of a spin campaign like this .XXX panel is going to be. And NO DOUBT, it's a spin campaign, based solely on the "restrictions" about what can or can not be asked.

1) i am not going to ask questions that i know won't get a response and not be relevant. if an audience member wants to ask those kinds of questions, then THEY can (and most likely will not get an answer). The "real" questions are ones that clarify the ambiguity of what .XXX is claiming, not the gossip ragging that is fuel for folly and achieves no purpose.

2) and everyone has their ignorance level. To answer your question directly, i have not been bought off, switched sides, or compromised my position on .XXX and have done more with my time to oppose .XXX than 99% of the keyboard warriors

3) so that means you have no questions to get clarifications on what .XXX is about? If you were going to make the business decision to purchase .XXX domains, don't you want to know what are the implications of it? I posed a "real" question about the WHOIS policy, i brought up that they will be validating email addresses, etc. There is alot more more rules that apply to .XXX TLD than any other TLD. Now, if you are saying you aren't going to buy any .XXX domains, then you don't have any questions because .XXX is irrelevant to you. But, to the many who did their pre-registrations, they might want to know what they are getting themselves into.

Such an interesting observation how quickly (fickle) webmasters can be.. pointing fingers, making assumptions, taking sides, and contributing to the divide in the adult industry, when what is needed is a more unified stance.

Division, ignorance and misinformation are excellent tools of war and business. Looks like so many are playing into that.

Fight the lawd have mercy!

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Fight the lawd have mercy!

polish_aristocrat · 02-03-2007, 08:59 AM

BoyAlley, while what you say does seem to have some good points, I'd like to believe that you're completely wrong.

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on another note, have you sent your anti- .xxx comment? I've been following day to day the ICANN Forum but haven't seen anything from AlleyBucks.

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

3) so that means you have no questions to get clarifications on what .XXX is about? If you were going to make the business decision to purchase .XXX domains, don't you want to know what are the implications of it? I posed a "real" question about the WHOIS policy, i brought up that they will be validating email addresses, etc. There is alot more more rules that apply to .XXX TLD than any other TLD. Now, if you are saying you aren't going to buy any .XXX domains, then you don't have any questions because .XXX is irrelevant to you. But, to the many who did their pre-registrations, they might want to know what they are getting themselves into.

Ooooooooh I get it now.

You'll be like one of those "talk show hosts" that are on the infomercials, asking relevant questions about a product while it's being sold to the audience?

What use is there in that?

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

on another note, have you sent your anti- .xxx comment? I've been following day to day the ICANN Forum but haven't seen anything from AlleyBucks.

Yes, my comments have been written for some time now, and will be submitted on the last day of submissions, as per my preference. We've also notified users on our board about it, and many of them have submitted (or will be submitting) comment as well.

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

2) and everyone has their ignorance level. To answer your question directly, i have not been bought off, switched sides, or compromised my position on .XXX and have done more with my time to oppose .XXX than 99% of the keyboard warriors

I don't think my asking that question has anything to do with an "ignorance level". EVERYONE that's been involved with the "public push" of .xxx in any way shape or form, including you now as the moderator of the controversial panel, has been asked that question.

You've answered it. Fair enough.

polish_aristocrat · 02-03-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Yes, my comments have been written for some time now, and will be submitted on the last day of submissions, as per my preference.

thats smart, I agree

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

You'll be like one of those "talk show hosts" that are on the infomercials, asking relevant questions about a product while it's being sold to the audience?

What use is there in that?

no, because those "talk show hosts" are selling something.. I am not. I have no interest in being a part of "shaping .XXX".

what i have done and continue to do these last 3 years is my role as a watchdog is to address issues. I have clear positions on all of the issues that i have been doing activism for: acacia, 2257, cp, .XXX, etc

knowledge is power.. and it seems you rather webmasters be ignorant, in thinking if they heard "the enemy" speak, that it would some how hypnotize them into thinking .XXX is good.

asking questions and listening to answers is important to understanding what is facing you. if you rather believe that .XXX is just pure evil and bad, and you need to run away from it, then that's fine. But licensing with Acacia or purchasing .XXX domains are hard business decisions that businesses had/have to face.. and i have chosen this self-proclaimed role of watchdog because i think business people should have the right facts and information to make business decisions.

Your yellow posts are hynotizing, and your posts in various threads have been entertaining.. many times laugh-outloud at your overt gayness (hence my salute to you in my previous tagline).

if i may suggest, focus your energy on positive outcomes, rather than negative fingerpointing that doesn't serve any purpose unless your intent is to discredit me.

Fight the agendas!

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

if i may suggest, focus your energy on positive outcomes, rather than negative fingerpointing that doesn't serve any purpose unless your intent is to discredit me.

Fight the agendas!

My intention isn't to discredit you, I was just shocked to see that you agreed to moderate this panel (because of your long history of fighting the good fight), especially considering the limitations that have been placed on its purpose.

Just make sure you're not allowing yourself to be used.

Fight The Titties!

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Your yellow posts are hynotizing, and your posts in various threads have been entertaining.. many times laugh-outloud at your overt gayness (hence my salute to you in my previous tagline).

Yes, my overt gayness either makes people laugh or makes them hard. I think more the later than most breeders on here would be willing to admit.

Fight The Clam Bake!

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

.... I was just shocked to see that you agreed to moderate this panel (because of your long history of fighting the good fight), especially considering the limitations that have been placed on its purpose.

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if I could moderate a panel that Acacia was on, i would do it in a heartbeat.

There are no limitations placed on questions. Xbiz has not limited any questions in any way.

*I* said in my opening post, that *I* am looking for questions from webmasters to present in my opening segment of questions.. where *I* don't want any questions like "who in the adult biz is backing this?" because i know it won't get answered, and i don't think its relevant to the scope of the panel.

If an audience member wants to ask, they can do whatever they want. They can ask about lawley's sexual preference.. but don't expect an answer for every question.

I am looking for webmasters to ask questions that will help to give answers as to what they want to know that gives them information about whether to get a .XXX domain or not.

Knowing which industry players are involved with .XXX won't make the business decision.

Those that are upset, know in vague terms that yes, some adult industry players/leaders do support .XXX.. that information alone has given some the info to not get .XXX domains.

Knowing which specific companies support .XXX won't change minds, it will only serve a witch hunt.

Fight the build a bridge out of her!

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

If an audience member wants to ask, they can do whatever they want. They can ask about lawley's sexual preference..

Hey, that's a GREAT questions! Ask it for me, it can be an "icebreaker":

"Teh BoyAlley wants to know if you are a gay homosexual?"

Fight The Vaginal Discharge!

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

"Teh BoyAlley wants to know if you are a gay homosexual?"

excuse my ignorance of gay culture, but isn't "gay homosexual" like a double negative? doesn't that not mean the person is actually straight?

Fight the clarifications.xxx !

tony286 · 02-03-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

That is a perfectly good question, and one that keeps being avoided. I want to know who I will continue to do business with and who I won't. Like with Zango, I won't do business with companies who support it. So, this should be the first questions that is answered so everyone can get on with the other questions. Of course they people in this industry are the biggest group of pussies I have ever seen in my life, hence the fact that this question will not be answered.

According to those who are involved in the show, and the tone of your post, we are all supposed act as if it will pass and find a way to make a smooth transition into it. Roll over and take our ass fucking while they talk us through it. Well, that sounds like it's a done deal to me and they simply want to present us with the illusion that we have a voice. Why don't they just print it all up nice and neat and mail it to us. Spare us the bullshit.

We all know the hard hitting questions will not be answered. Questions like "Who exactly is supporting .XXX?" and "What organizations made deals to profit from .XXX, and how much will they make per domain?" Will never get an answer.

Your right and sadly all they are going to do is throw softball questions at this guy,its shows you how against it they truly are. Im very surprised at brandon for taking part in this bullshit.

marcjacob · 02-03-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Fight The Titties!

BoyAlley · 02-03-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

excuse my ignorance of gay culture, but isn't "gay homosexual" like a double negative? doesn't that not mean the person is actually straight?

Fight the clarifications.xxx !

No no no. You're getting it wrong:

Gay = Happy
Homosexual = Gets fucked and/or fucks other guys in the ass

So I'm a happy sodomite!

Fight the Constipation!

tony286 · 02-03-2007, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

if I could moderate a panel that Acacia was on, i would do it in a heartbeat.

There are no limitations placed on questions. Xbiz has not limited any questions in any way.

*I* said in my opening post, that *I* am looking for questions from webmasters to present in my opening segment of questions.. where *I* don't want any questions like "who in the adult biz is backing this?" because i know it won't get answered, and i don't think its relevant to the scope of the panel.

If an audience member wants to ask, they can do whatever they want. They can ask about lawley's sexual preference.. but don't expect an answer for every question.

I am looking for webmasters to ask questions that will help to give answers as to what they want to know that gives them information about whether to get a .XXX domain or not.

Knowing which industry players are involved with .XXX won't make the business decision.

Those that are upset, know in vague terms that yes, some adult industry players/leaders do support .XXX.. that information alone has given some the info to not get .XXX domains.

Knowing which specific companies support .XXX won't change minds, it will only serve a witch hunt.

Fight the build a bridge out of her!

If they want to get .xxx domains or not, if we want to stay in business we really have no choice but to take the ass fucking.They have been trying to make it a law when it didn't exist ,so how long you think its going to take once it exists? God your funny.Once again I m surprised at you
Also how the fuck can we make any decision when iffor doesnt exist and its the governing body? What trust the snake? lol
Also its not a witch hunt if backroom deals happened there is talk of serious legal action.

MaDalton · 02-03-2007, 09:56 AM

if there's anyone with integrity in this business then it's without a doubt Brandon

tony286 · 02-03-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

if there's anyone with integrity in this business then it's without a doubt Brandon

I like Brandon alot and have great respect for him, thats why Im surprised he would take part in this asslicking. That will give ICANN mark my words the impression we support this .I wouldnt be surprised if icm uses this as a look they really do support this.Also Brandon really isnt in our business at the end of the day.

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Also Brandon really isnt in our business at the end of the day.

how ironic, i have done more for this biz in the last 3 years than you have, and i don't run any porn sites.

you know i respect your opinions, but you are out on the deep-end with your current line of thinking.

Fight the telling it how it is!

tony286 · 02-03-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

how ironic, i have done more for this biz in the last 3 years than you have, and i don't run any porn sites.

you know i respect your opinions, but you are out on the deep-end with your current line of thinking.

Fight the telling it how it is!

Yes you have done alot but at the end of the day dude .xxx doesnt change your life or how you earn your living like it does mine. Tell me Im wrong

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

If they want to get .xxx domains or not, if we want to stay in business we really have no choice but to take the ass fucking.

you are making it sound like .XXX is mandatory.

did anyone force adult webmasters into pre-registration for .XXX domains at ICM?

I know some that did pre-register.. and they said that when you did register, you could see company names of others..

Each business will have to decide if they want to get .XXX domains

The move to make it mandatory is clearly out there with already proposed bills that got tabled for now.

Having .xxx be approved, will surely make them come back.

If its mandatory, you have no choice, so there is no discussion points, other than the ones that attorneys will make in shooting down that law.

Since it is voluntary right now, and since there is alot of confusion or unawareness of the implications of .XXX, this panel is the perfect place to get a better understanding.

If you aren't going to get .XXX domains, that's your business decision.. but those that want to get it, will want to make their decisions based on a better understanding of what they are getting into.

Blasting those that purchase .XXX domains won't be too constructive either, since you could cite that ICANN will see that as acceptance.. but ya know what, webmasters will buy those .XXX domains.. its business.

Its no difference than the literally hundreds of discussions i had with webmasters concerning Acacia. I know many that took a license, and I never shunned them for it, i understand they made a business decision to license rather than to fight.

Those that did fight (and are still fighting).. did the industry pour/direct traffic to them to help them out? some did, but not as much as what should have been.

Fight the fingerpointing!

tony286 · 02-03-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

you are making it sound like .XXX is mandatory.

did anyone force adult webmasters into pre-registration for .XXX domains at ICM?

I know some that did pre-register.. and they said that when you did register, you could see company names of others..

Each business will have to decide if they want to get .XXX domains

The move to make it mandatory is clearly out there with already proposed bills that got tabled for now.

Having .xxx be approved, will surely make them come back.

If its mandatory, you have no choice, so there is no discussion points, other than the ones that attorneys will make in shooting down that law.

Since it is voluntary right now, and since there is alot of confusion or unawareness of the implications of .XXX, this panel is the perfect place to get a better understanding.

If you aren't going to get .XXX domains, that's your business decision.. but those that want to get it, will want to make their decisions based on a better understanding of what they are getting into.

Blasting those that purchase .XXX domains won't be too constructive either, since you could cite that ICANN will see that as acceptance.. but ya know what, webmasters will buy those .XXX domains.. its business.

Its no difference than the literally hundreds of discussions i had with webmasters concerning Acacia. I know many that took a license, and I never shunned them for it, i understand they made a business decision to license rather than to fight.

Those that did fight (and are still fighting).. did the industry pour/direct traffic to them to help them out? some did, but not as much as what should have been.

Fight the fingerpointing!

why the rollover all of a sudden?Once again tell me Im wrong this shit doesnt change your life at the least?For you its a academic exercise and Im not being mean, its the truth.You dont have to worry about 2257, or your stuck in a cyber ghetto and watching your earnings go down the toilet.It will become law mark my within one year of it being accepted mark my words.

Fight the ass fucking and those handing out the lube!

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Yes you have done alot but at the end of the day dude .xxx doesnt change your life or how you earn your living like it does mine. Tell me Im wrong

you are exactly right, that at the end of the day, .XXX gets approved, it will not affect my businesses.

2257 changes people lives

credit card regulations change peoples lives

obscenity prosecutions change people lives

patent abuse changes people lives

you have repeatedly posted in several threads towards me that none of this affects my livelihood.. i get it, move on..... If i have to be a pornographer to address these issues, then thats some odd membership requirement.

Why don't you step up? Why don't you become more active with FSC?

Have you asked them how you can direct your passion for your profession to help out? Giving a couple hundred bucks is a good answer for most, but money alone doesn't cause change, its only one vehicle, the most effective is active participation.

Webmasters who aren't renewing their FSC dues.. .shame on you as being pornographers who are being attacked on so many sides and not supporting the organization that has historically and continually fighting for your rights to do what you do.

Those that do purchase .XXX domains.. know that $10/domain is going to IFFOR which stands for International Foundation for Online Responsibility.

So while you are funding an entity that is looking to control how your .XXX domains are being used, be sure to apply give $10/domain purchased to FSC so they can have the funds to try and undo whatever IFFOR will do.

Fight the soapbox!

tony286 · 02-03-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

you are exactly right, that at the end of the day, .XXX gets approved, it will not affect my businesses.

2257 changes people lives

credit card regulations change peoples lives

obscenity prosecutions change people lives

patent abuse changes people lives

you have repeatedly posted in several threads towards me that none of this affects my livelihood.. i get it, move on..... If i have to be a pornographer to address these issues, then thats some odd membership requirement.

Why don't you step up? Why don't you become more active with FSC?

Have you asked them how you can direct your passion for your profession to help out? Giving a couple hundred bucks is a good answer for most, but money alone doesn't cause change, its only one vehicle, the most effective is active participation.

Webmasters who aren't renewing their FSC dues.. .shame on you as being pornographers who are being attacked on so many sides and not supporting the organization that has historically and continually fighting for your rights to do what you do.

Those that do purchase .XXX domains.. know that $10/domain is going to IFFOR which stands for International Foundation for Online Responsibility.

So while you are funding an entity that is looking to control how your .XXX domains are being used, be sure to apply give $10/domain purchased to FSC so they can have the funds to try and undo whatever IFFOR will do.

Fight the soapbox!

lets see it makes a big point, that this doesnt change your life because you tell me Im on a soapbox its my livelihood not yours.
It also sounds like your accepting this when its not over,going to sit up there and throw this scumbag softball questions.
You are feeding the illusion of support for .xxx and thats not a positive.
I bring that up when you talk casually about things that don't effect you. Its great your involved and I have praised you for that,I dont understand what the payoff is for you.I mean kids with cancer is a better cause then the porn industry lol
I couldnt get FSC to return a simple email with a question. lol FSC hasnt exactly taken a big stand on this, I havent seen a new letter from them at icann, if there is one please correct me.
Posting on GFY is part of how I serve my industry, I cut thru bullshit love me or hate me I make people think, if they think chances are something will happen.

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

You are feeding the illusion of support for .xxx and thats not a positive.

you are living the delusion of my perceived support for .xxx

Fight the Harvey!

DWB · 02-03-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

.XXX is not about protecting kids, its about making .$$$ on traffic and cyberspace real estate.

You nailed that on the head.

mikesouth · 02-03-2007, 11:18 AM

Look I think we can all see through the bullshit here...even FTP.

The bottom line is that this seminar is an attempt to lead us to slaughter at the appearance of giving us something useful. We all know the kind of person Stuart Lawley is and we all know that this seminar will have no effect on what ICM Registry intends to do.

If they wont answert questions like who supports this then I just don't see the point. I'm like DWB I'm not going to do business with anyone who supports or benefits from this TLD period so I want to know who those people are.

Lets take ASACP we already know that they will benefit and as such have declared "neutrality" on the issue. Well if ASACP sends that money back and tells Stuart Lawley to stick it up his ass, set fire to it and die then I will support ASACP If they take the money then as far as I am concerned I hope they choke on it.

Hey I encourage y'all to attend and I encourage you to hold feet to the fire but know that you aren't going to come out with anything that benefits you. This whole thing is just another step in the stroke job to make .XXX look more palatable.

Drafting FTP as a mod was brilliant, it gives the appearance of neutrality but the truth is FTP is purely symbolic there, not he nor you is going to influence anything, the outcome has already been determined you are simply there to listen to it.

Webby · 02-03-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

Look I think we can all see through the bullshit here...even FTP.

The bottom line is that this seminar is an attempt to lead us to slaughter at the appearance of giving us something useful. We all know the kind of person Stuart Lawley is and we all know that this seminar will have no effect on what ICM Registry intends to do.

If they wont answert questions like who supports this then I just don't see the point. I'm like DWB I'm not going to do business with anyone who supports or benefits from this TLD period so I want to know who those people are.

Lets take ASACP we already know that they will benefit and as such have declared "neutrality" on the issue. Well if ASACP sends that money back and tells Stuart Lawley to stick it up his ass, set fire to it and die then I will support ASACP If they take the money then as far as I am concerned I hope they choke on it.

Hey I encourage y'all to attend and I encourage you to hold feet to the fire but know that you aren't going to come out with anything that benefits you. This whole thing is just another step in the stroke job to make .XXX look more palatable.

Drafting FTP as a mod was brilliant, it gives the appearance of neutrality but the truth is FTP is purely symbolic there, not he nor you is going to influence anything, the outcome has already been determined you are simply there to listen to it.

Well put Mike - good summary

DWB · 02-03-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

1) i am not going to ask questions that i know won't get a response and not be relevant. if an audience member wants to ask those kinds of questions, then THEY can (and most likely will not get an answer).

Wrong answer. Important questions are relevant to where you stand on this issue, how you operate your business and how you are planning for the future.

While some of these questions may not be important to you or the panel, they are damn important to some of us. Thus ALL questions need to be answered. WE are the ones that stand to lose the most, not YOU or anyone who has a hand in .XXX.

To have any panel where the questions are restricted will defeat the purpose of even having a panel in the first place. If it is not a free forum where ALL respectful questions will be answered, then it simply becomes a podium for them to tell us how it's going to be. I am surprised you do not see that. This is one hell of a spin job, and everyone is buying into it.

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so that means you have no questions to get clarifications on what .XXX is about?

We know what it's about... MONEY.

Since we all know that, we want real questions. We want to know why they will cost $75 and not the price of a normal domain. There is no reason for this. We want to know who made money off of this deal. Who sold us out? We want to know who deserves our traffic, our ad money and our respect. And while that may not be relevant to you or the panel, to some of us who still hold moral business values, that means everything.

We want to know if the owners of .COM will get first dibs on .XXX. If not, why? And what about the thousands or millions some have spent to brand those .COM domains? Who eats that if we are forced to give up our .COMs?

Who will take responsibility and step up to the plate when this thing goes sour and we all get fucked? Will they have our backs and fight with us, or hike up the rate to $200 per .XXX domain? Will they even answer their e-mail, or blow us off like the late Ibill, Paymond, or the current slackers Epassport (answer your e-mails fuckers).

We also want to know if plans are already in the works to filter .XXX, to block .XXX or harm us in any other way. You can bet your ass the plans are already in the works, so we may as well get them out in the open so we can plan accordingly.

Since it is clear this is not for the children, we want to know how this may be passing yet almost the entire industry is against it? Not a single person I know supports this, and nobody they know. NOT ONE!!! I have asked. Yet, here we are. So someone is about to get PAID on this deal... Xbiz?

Is this the REAL reason Tom Hymes went to Xbiz? Was this all one big set up? Was this planned from the moment they were foiled the first with plans to pay another party for each domain?

Too many fucking questions, ALL OF THEM RELEVANT!!!

Fight EVERYONE who will not answer your questions!

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

1) If they wont answert questions like who supports this then I just don't see the point. I'm like DWB I'm not going to do business with anyone who supports or benefits from this TLD period so I want to know who those people are.

2) Drafting FTP as a mod was brilliant, it gives the appearance of neutrality but the truth is FTP is purely symbolic there, not he nor you is going to influence anything, the outcome has already been determined you are simply there to listen to it.

1) you going to turn back in your AVN awards?

2) Neutral? Lawley is the first person that knows my position against .XXX (http://www.FightTheDotXXX.com - tho haven't updated it for a while)

I have a long standing record of my opposition, and as a moderator, that is an odd position to be in since i am clearly not neutral, but I have kept my opposition civil and rationale, and not into the emotional name-calling-knee-jerk reactions.

This is not a debate, its a panel to hear questions and answers. Those that are going to buy domains will most likely want to know what they are buying into. Those that aren't buying domains, don't need to bother then with whatever is said.

Adult webmasters were pre-registering with ICM to register their interest in their .XXX domains.. that is a fact.

Businesses will make their business decision to buy domains and won't be influenced by any rantings, but instead of facts.. and right now, there aren't many facts.. and that's what the panel is about...separating facts from spin and bullshit.

So if you are not going to be at the panel, then offer up some questions that helps to get to the facts.

Asking what industry players are involved, won't get you any answers.

If you think that webmasters shouldn't register .XXX then tell everyone to boycott it and see if they do it.

Fight the windmills!

DWB · 02-03-2007, 11:38 AM

Those who support .XXX are the type of guys who would fuck another person in the ass and not even have the god damned common courtesy to give them a reach around.

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

1) While some of these questions may not be important to you or the panel, they are damn important to some of us. Thus ALL questions need to be answered. WE are the ones that stand to lose the most, not YOU or anyone who has a hand in .XXX.

2) ... then it simply becomes a podium for them to tell us how it's going to be.

3) Since we all know that, we want real questions. We want to know why they will cost $75 and not the price of a normal domain.

4) We want to know if the owners of .COM will get first dibs on .XXX. If not, why? And what about the thousands or millions some have spent to brand those .COM domains? Who eats that if we are forced to give up our .COMs?

5) Who will take responsibility and step up to the plate when this thing goes sour and we all get fucked? Will they have our backs and fight with us, or hike up the rate to $200 per .XXX domain? Will they even answer their e-mail, or blow us off like the late Ibill, Paymond, or the current slackers Epassport (answer your e-mails fuckers).

6) We also want to know if plans are already in the works to filter .XXX, to block .XXX or harm us in any other way. You can bet your ass the plans are already in the works, so we may as well get them out in the open so we can plan accordingly.

7) Is this the REAL reason Tom Hymes went to Xbiz? Was this all one big set up? Was this planned from the moment they were foiled the first with plans to pay another party for each domain?

1) i addressed this, and will again. *I* as the moderator, who has the first 20 minutes to ask questions, am not going to ask bullshit questions that aren't relevant to the scope of the panel. Xbiz has never censored any questions, and when I open up to Q&A of the audience, ANYONE can ask ANY question they wish. Are we clear on this point now?

2) um... exactly. ICM/IFFOR is going to do what they are going to. They aren't asking the adult biz for any permissions. They are there to explain what they are going to do, because quite frankly, we don't know what they intend to do because it has been vague. If you aren't going to buy .XXX domains, then this is all background noise. If webmasters are going to buy .XXX domains, better to know what you are buying into... wouldn't you agree?

3) it will cost $60/domain. $75/domain was what was reported 2-3 years ago. out of the $60, $10 goes to IFFOR.

I repeat my comment from my previous post:

Those that do purchase .XXX domains.. know that $10/domain is going to IFFOR which stands for International Foundation for Online Responsibility.

So while you are funding an entity that is looking to control how your .XXX domains are being used, be sure to apply give $10/domain purchased to FSC so they can have the funds to try and undo whatever IFFOR will do.

4) this is a very important question.. because the other country TLD's (like co.uk, .jp, .dk) would say they have just as much right to the .XXX as a .com

So don't you want to know what that policy will be?

5) Seems to be the FSC is in the place for that.. see point #3 about supporting FSC

6) if you have been following .XXX, you will know that ICM has been going around the world to gain support for .XXX from so many groups outside the US. The requirement for use of ICRA labelling brings in people like Microsoft, Verizon, etc.. does that make you go hmmmm about filtering?

Of course .XXX is going to be used for filtering. No different than blacklists from Netnanny to firewall/proxy boxes. If an adult doesn't want to see porn and certainly to restrict a child's viewing, that;s absolutely fine in my book, and whatever technology they use to do so, is their own right, much like your right to your livelihood. Porn sites are blocked today without a .XXX .XXX would have to be massively adopted internationally before it provides any kind of effective filtering.. since .XXX is voluntary, there is no motivatio to use .XXX other than to preserve your cyber real estate.

This is why one strategy to cope with .XXX is to park the domain and not use it as your main domain, and keep the IP of your .COM separate from the IP of .XXX

7) Tom's reason for leaving FSC to go to Xbiz is his personal reason. Was it a mastermind plot as you suggest? puh-leeez... the conjectures are amazing and certainly proves the ignorance of the work that people are doing on your behalf.. and its not for lack of public release.. Tom personally delivered Larry Flynt's letter of opposition to ICANN last year.

You posed some great questions, keep them coming... the fingerpointing is getting old.

Fight the alienation!

BlackCrayon · 02-03-2007, 12:04 PM

if xxx becomes mandatory and ruins the livelyhoods of webmasters are you and those who backed it prepared for violent vigilantes?

mikesouth · 02-03-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

1) you going to turn back in your AVN awards?

2) Neutral? Lawley is the first person that knows my position against .XXX (http://www.FightTheDotXXX.com - tho haven't updated it for a while)

I have a long standing record of my opposition, and as a moderator, that is an odd position to be in since i am clearly not neutral, but I have kept my opposition civil and rationale, and not into the emotional name-calling-knee-jerk reactions.

This is not a debate, its a panel to hear questions and answers. Those that are going to buy domains will most likely want to know what they are buying into. Those that aren't buying domains, don't need to bother then with whatever is said.

Adult webmasters were pre-registering with ICM to register their interest in their .XXX domains.. that is a fact.

Businesses will make their business decision to buy domains and won't be influenced by any rantings, but instead of facts.. and right now, there aren't many facts.. and that's what the panel is about...separating facts from spin and bullshit.

So if you are not going to be at the panel, then offer up some questions that helps to get to the facts.

Asking what industry players are involved, won't get you any answers.

If you think that webmasters shouldn't register .XXX then tell everyone to boycott it and see if they do it.

Fight the windmills!

not only would I give the award back I would throw it at em....but Paul Fishbein himself is on record with me and others as being against .xxx. AVN and AVNOnline have both take editorial stands against .XXX Farley who runs AVNOnline has taken a stand against .xxx so I dont think AVN is in collusion here.

FTP I think yer a decent guy and I know where you stand on this but bottom line is that XBiz has come under intense heat over this and they needed badly to appear more netral if not anti .xxx so drafting you was a brilliant move, they know that your presence isn't going to change anything and you are one of the leaders in this whole fight the .xxx thing.

On the one hand I understand your accepting, you do everything you can to help stop it however small the chance may be.

On the other hand telling them to fuck off and die and that you'd sooner share a stage with Charlie Manson as Stuart Lawley makes a pretty strong statement too....

FightThisPatent · 02-03-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

On the other hand telling them to fuck off and die and that you'd sooner share a stage with Charlie Manson as Stuart Lawley makes a pretty strong statement too....

i would share a stage with Charlie Manson, in all the interviews i have seen of him have been quite interesting.. so is Marilyn Manson... very insightful things he brings up on the hyprocrasy of society.

Fight the beautiful people!

Brad Mitchell · 02-03-2007, 12:35 PM

I am very pleased that Brandon is heading up the panel, XBIZ couldn't have picked a anyone with more integrity or ability to lead a productive discussion.

Brad

Webby · 02-03-2007, 12:38 PM

As part of the material used by ICM in support of their application to ICANN, ICM have agreed that .XXX TLD's will require labeling, prohibit child pornography and that ICM will appoint independent association/s to monitor and "oversee" compliance.

Which parties have been, or planned to be, appointed to monitor and oversee compliance and what are their credentials?

The core objection being that a registrar has no rights to "oversee" anyone - all they are ask to do is perform a service at a competitive price or shut up shop. If a possible offense exists - report it to a credible law agency.

Qualified law enforcement agencies exist internationally to handle "child pornography" and other related issues. ICM may wish to paint pictures of how responsible they are by offering ICANN scraps of bread and promises of oversight. However, that level of hypocrisy is barely one step away from Helmy et al.

Bottom line - Never will ICM, ICANN or any idiot lining his pockets be monitoring my ass.

And a 2 cents thought - The monitoring issue is not a game I'll be playing with either ICM or ICANN and, even forgetting the main adult industry concerns over .XXX TLD's - this issue alone means no interest in .xxx's. (This has nothing to do with reporting CP etc - tho don't report CP to stupid hypocritical industry organizations - there are more relevant agencies.)

02-03-2007, 07:30 AM	#54
FightThisPatent Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 4,090	For those that want some more reading on .XXX plans: http://www.icann.org/tlds/kids3/HTML/Annex_1.html this line is interesting: "ICM Registry is proposing the creation of two TLDs-.XXX for adult entertainment and .KIDS for material geared to Internet users aged 12 and under-both managed through a revolutionary registry model developed by the company. The model is applicable for the development and management of any TLD, though the two embedded in the ICM Registry proposal specifically and effectively address some key public policy concerns raised by ICANN." further down: "ICM Registry believes that its model presents the best opportunity to successfully balance these interests, while preserving the Internet as the key medium not just for consumer choice but for the free exchange of ideas. For this reason, the ICM Registry proposal centers on the creation of two new TLDs: * .XXX for adult entertainment; * .KIDS for Internet use by children 12 and under." so that brings up the natural question, has the .KIDS TLD idea been abandoned? Fight the homework assignments! __________________ http://www.t3report.com (where's the traffic?) v5.0 is out! \| http://www.FightThePatent.com \| ICQ 52741957

02-03-2007, 08:14 AM	#57
marcjacob Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,063	Why dont they make it mandatory for all Adult sites to have a meta tag in our head tags that programs can use to identify us as a porn site. Cheap and easy to implement and much much more effective for those who want their browser to filter out porn. __________________ Free Site Express GFY Launch Offer Gay Demo Video - Straight Demo Video Icq: 191127710 Email: [email protected]

02-03-2007, 08:59 AM	#65
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	BoyAlley, while what you say does seem to have some good points, I'd like to believe that you're completely wrong. ----- on another note, have you sent your anti- .xxx comment? I've been following day to day the ICANN Forum but haven't seen anything from AlleyBucks. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

02-03-2007, 09:56 AM	#80
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,835	if there's anyone with integrity in this business then it's without a doubt Brandon __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

02-03-2007, 11:18 AM	#90
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	Look I think we can all see through the bullshit here...even FTP. The bottom line is that this seminar is an attempt to lead us to slaughter at the appearance of giving us something useful. We all know the kind of person Stuart Lawley is and we all know that this seminar will have no effect on what ICM Registry intends to do. If they wont answert questions like who supports this then I just don't see the point. I'm like DWB I'm not going to do business with anyone who supports or benefits from this TLD period so I want to know who those people are. Lets take ASACP we already know that they will benefit and as such have declared "neutrality" on the issue. Well if ASACP sends that money back and tells Stuart Lawley to stick it up his ass, set fire to it and die then I will support ASACP If they take the money then as far as I am concerned I hope they choke on it. Hey I encourage y'all to attend and I encourage you to hold feet to the fire but know that you aren't going to come out with anything that benefits you. This whole thing is just another step in the stroke job to make .XXX look more palatable. Drafting FTP as a mod was brilliant, it gives the appearance of neutrality but the truth is FTP is purely symbolic there, not he nor you is going to influence anything, the outcome has already been determined you are simply there to listen to it. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

02-03-2007, 11:38 AM	#94
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Those who support .XXX are the type of guys who would fuck another person in the ass and not even have the god damned common courtesy to give them a reach around.

02-03-2007, 12:04 PM	#96
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	if xxx becomes mandatory and ruins the livelyhoods of webmasters are you and those who backed it prepared for violent vigilantes? __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

02-03-2007, 12:35 PM	#99
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	I am very pleased that Brandon is heading up the panel, XBIZ couldn't have picked a anyone with more integrity or ability to lead a productive discussion. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

02-03-2007, 12:38 PM	#100
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	As part of the material used by ICM in support of their application to ICANN, ICM have agreed that .XXX TLD's will require labeling, prohibit child pornography and that ICM will appoint independent association/s to monitor and "oversee" compliance. Which parties have been, or planned to be, appointed to monitor and oversee compliance and what are their credentials? The core objection being that a registrar has no rights to "oversee" anyone - all they are ask to do is perform a service at a competitive price or shut up shop. If a possible offense exists - report it to a credible law agency. Qualified law enforcement agencies exist internationally to handle "child pornography" and other related issues. ICM may wish to paint pictures of how responsible they are by offering ICANN scraps of bread and promises of oversight. However, that level of hypocrisy is barely one step away from Helmy et al. Bottom line - Never will ICM, ICANN or any idiot lining his pockets be monitoring my ass. And a 2 cents thought - The monitoring issue is not a game I'll be playing with either ICM or ICANN and, even forgetting the main adult industry concerns over .XXX TLD's - this issue alone means no interest in .xxx's. (This has nothing to do with reporting CP etc - tho don't report CP to stupid hypocritical industry organizations - there are more relevant agencies.) __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat. Last edited by Webby; 02-03-2007 at 12:41 PM..