GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum (https://gfy.com/index.php)
-   Fucking Around & Business Discussion (https://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   I'm the moderator of the .XXX panel at xbiz. post your .xxx questions in here (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=702407)

FightThisPatent 02-02-2007 08:14 PM

I'm the moderator of the .XXX panel at xbiz. post your .xxx questions in here
 
Just released: http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=19457

"HOLLYWOOD, Calif. ? Brandon "Fight the Patent" Shalton, founder of T3 Report, has been chosen to moderate the .XXX seminar at next week's XBIZ Hollywood Conference, being held Wednesday and Thursday at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel."


I will be presenting questions to the panel about .XXX in addition to audience participation.

If you are not attending the show, feel free to post up your questions/concerns here or email me at brandon -at- fightthepatent.com so i can compile the questions.

Questions like "which industry players are supporting .XXX?" are not the kinds of questions that will get asked and answered.

This is an opportunity to ask questions about the .XXX registration process, what impact it has on the industry, what .XXX can do, what .XXX can't do, who gets first shot at domains, etc.

I've got 2+ years worth of questions in my mind to ask as well as other people's questions.


Fight the 2 cents!

Poppy 02-02-2007 08:29 PM

Great choice for a moderator!

mikesouth 02-02-2007 08:30 PM

1. Why is it that ICM Registry continues to pursue the TLD when its very clear that nobody wants it?

2. Wouldn't it make more sense to set aside a safe place for kids on the internet as oppossed to trying to make the internet safe for kids? A .kid domain would easily accomplish this?

3. Why exactly are these domains being sold at such a high price. who is getting the "donations" , administrative fees etc. What is the breakdown? (assuming they refer to them)

4. Who is going to make up this IFFOR Board and how are those people chosen, who will draft the rules etc.

5. Do you anticipate legal hurdles from the US Department of Commerce or Department of Justice?

6. If I own domain.com ans someone else owns domain.net who gets first shot at domain.xxx?

theres a few off the top of my head......

Mark_E4A 02-02-2007 08:36 PM

I would like to know what will happen to all our traffic we have all worked so hard to build up

google ranks, bookmarkers, typins, toplists EVERYTHING on our .com's

what do they plan on doing "IF this gets passed " which i dont think it will.

.................................................. .............

I could just picture it

Sorry sir, but we are taking everything you have, here is a .xxx we are sorry that you have to start over

Here is a welfare check till you can get your .xxx going ( which btw could be blocked in half the world )

.................................................. .............

PS: XXXJay - We ALL saw how big your new house is, we are all moving in if it comes down to that :winkwink:

mikeyddddd 02-02-2007 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11845690)
1. Why is it that ICM Registry continues to pursue the TLD when its very clear that nobody wants it?

2. Wouldn't it make more sense to set aside a safe place for kids on the internet as oppossed to trying to make the internet safe for kids? A .kid domain would easily accomplish this?

3. Why exactly are these domains being sold at such a high price. who is getting the "donations" , administrative fees etc. What is the breakdown? (assuming they refer to them)

4. Who is going to make up this IFFOR Board and how are those people chosen, who will draft the rules etc.

5. Do you anticipate legal hurdles from the US Department of Commerce or Department of Justice?

6. If I own domain.com ans someone else owns domain.net who gets first shot at domain.xxx?

theres a few off the top of my head......

Those are the ones that popped into my head.

But, I think we know the answers to 1, 2 and 3:
1) greed
2) not enough money in it (greed)
3) greed

edgeprod 02-02-2007 08:47 PM

Copied from my post on the other side:

"When blood-suckers like you go to sleep in their fiendish coffins at night, is it actually necessary for some purpose that you sleep in such a contraption, or is this solely an invention of Hollywood?"

"Why didn't your mother have an abortion? Assuming she regrets this now, do you have any concerns she'll attempt a one-hundred fortieth trimester abortion, post-birthing?"

"Would you sell you grandmother into slavery for a nickel? Or, rather, did you already?"

"Did you begin the quest for .XXX because you have a small penis? Assuming so, if the industry pitched in for an operation, will you go away?"


And my final question:

"Since this panel has been convened based on the preconception that .XXX is to pass, it's probably fair to also assume that, if passed, legislation will soon follow that forces U.S. adult webmasters onto the TLD. In some cases, webmasters invested tens of thousands of dollars building traffic and brand to their dot-com properties. Even excluding the impact to the brand directly, these webmasters will lose the benefits of money spent on search engine optimization, advertising, link placements, and a host of other expenditures. Many sponsor programs will never convert all of their affiliate links from .com to .XXX.

What do you say to those who stand to lose a large sum based on your irresponsibility and thinly veiled greed?"

Craig T 02-02-2007 08:47 PM

Good luck Brandon.... We'll be there!!!

WZRogeR 02-02-2007 08:51 PM

too many letters...do not overpower...

FightThisPatent 02-02-2007 08:52 PM

.XXX domains require a verification of an email address before the domain can be approved. (http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-19mar04/xxx.htm section E)

What will be the WHOIS policy for .XXX domains?

Will there be privacy options with the registry?


Fight the whois spamming!

Webby 02-02-2007 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 11845622)
Just released: http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=19457

Questions like "which industry players are supporting .XXX?" are not the kinds of questions that will get asked and answered.

Why is this question not the kind of question that will be asked/answered Brandon??

There is an issue where that topic is clearly of commercial interest since webmasters may elect to terminate dealing with these alleged "industry players" for obvious reasons.

edgeprod 02-02-2007 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11845857)
Why is this question not the kind of question that will be asked/answered Brandon??

Because it's a fucking conspiracy. The same guys who faked 9/11 are behind it.

Webby 02-02-2007 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11845884)
Because it's a fucking conspiracy. The same guys who faked 9/11 are behind it.

It is? I never knew that...

Meanwhile... can you volunteer a valid commerical reason why it should not be asked Brandon? Transparency is healthy...

edgeprod 02-02-2007 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11845898)
Meanwhile... can you volunteer a valid commerical reason why it should not be asked Brandon? Transparency is healthy...

Why don't you just go to the conference and ask?

Mr. Jim 02-02-2007 09:16 PM

How are you prepared to uphold the first amendment?

stickyfingerz 02-02-2007 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WZRogeR (Post 11845791)
too many letters...do not overpower...

Someone ban this bot...

Webby 02-02-2007 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11845902)
Why don't you just go to the conference and ask?

I never asked you edge. I'm asking the guy elected to be the moderator who is now asking for questions in advance.

edgeprod 02-02-2007 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11845920)
I never asked you edge. I'm asking the guy elected to be the moderator who is now asking for questions in advance.

What you're doing is crying about questions that can't be asked because you're not going. Go to the show, you can ask what you want. Don't go to the show, don't bitch about what gets asked and what doesn't.

This is like the people that cry that the welfare line is too long. Don't be a fucking scumbag freeloader.

I had some measure of respect for you previously, but the more you poke and prod and make a fool of yourself, the less I seem to want to associate with you.

You're becoming a joke, and it's sad to see, because you seemed to intelligent. if you REALLY can't figure your question out for yourself, I feel bad for you. If you CAN, which I suspect, don't pull a baddog and ask a question you know the answer to just for the sake of being a dick. No offense, baddog.

After Shock Media 02-02-2007 09:24 PM

Are you willing to accept offers to sneak in some device that could in theory kill the targeted person and if so what is the ball park figure that must be raised?


Ok I jest, I am fairly sure you have most of the questions covered. Unless your willing to just ask them are they idiots?

Webby 02-02-2007 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11845933)
What you're doing is crying about questions that can't be asked because you're not going.

I never even asked you *any* question. You are not the elected moderator.

Why do you assume so much that people are not attending this show??

Try staying out of this and let Brandon answer.

edgeprod 02-02-2007 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 11845940)
Unless your willing to just ask them are they idiots?

Objection. Asked and answered, counselor.

edgeprod 02-02-2007 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11845947)
I never even asked you *any* question.

Why do you assume so much that people are not attending this show??

Try staying out of this and let Brandon answer.

Yes, you did, you liar! Your question was: "It is?" Is that not a question? What ELSE have you lied about? Scroll up and you will see PROOF that you asked me a question. Now stop your lies.

If you WERE attending, you'd just be a troll for asking what you did. Are you a troll, or are you just a retard? Pick one, this is multiple choice.

And if you'd like a private audience with Sir Brandon, you may e-mail him. If you choose to continue to discourse here, I will continue to make fun of you, until I get hungry, at which point I will forget all about you, eat, masturbate, and sleep.

Webby 02-02-2007 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11845961)
Yes, you did, you liar! Your question was: "It is?" Is that not a question? What ELSE have you lied about? Scroll up and you will see PROOF that you asked me a question. Now stop your lies.

Sheesh :-) Are you nuts??

Still waiting....

edgeprod 02-02-2007 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11845986)
Still waiting....

I'm waiting for your apology. Man up. You said you didn't ask me a question when, in fact, the evidence shows you did!

I will accept the following:

A) "I'm sorry Edge."

B) "I love you, Edge."

C) Paypal.

D) Naked pictures.

Pick one or more.

mikesouth 02-02-2007 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11845768)
Copied from my post on the other side:

"When blood-suckers like you go to sleep in their fiendish coffins at night, is it actually necessary for some purpose that you sleep in such a contraption, or is this solely an invention of Hollywood?"

"Why didn't your mother have an abortion? Assuming she regrets this now, do you have any concerns she'll attempt a one-hundred fortieth trimester abortion, post-birthing?"

"Would you sell you grandmother into slavery for a nickel? Or, rather, did you already?"

"Did you begin the quest for .XXX because you have a small penis? Assuming so, if the industry pitched in for an operation, will you go away?"


And my final question:

"Since this panel has been convened based on the preconception that .XXX is to pass, it's probably fair to also assume that, if passed, legislation will soon follow that forces U.S. adult webmasters onto the TLD. In some cases, webmasters invested tens of thousands of dollars building traffic and brand to their dot-com properties. Even excluding the impact to the brand directly, these webmasters will lose the benefits of money spent on search engine optimization, advertising, link placements, and a host of other expenditures. Many sponsor programs will never convert all of their affiliate links from .com to .XXX.

What do you say to those who stand to lose a large sum based on your irresponsibility and thinly veiled greed?"



beautiful

edgeprod 02-02-2007 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11846009)
beautiful

Only on the inside, I'm afraid, Mike. What God has done to me on the outside is a tragedy to horrible to behold.

:Buck:

DeanCapture 02-02-2007 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11845961)
Yes, you did, you liar!

Nice attitude :disgust

Webby 02-02-2007 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11846006)
I'm waiting for your apology. Man up. You said you didn't ask me a question when, in fact, the evidence shows you did!

I will accept the following:

A) "I'm sorry Edge."

B) "I love you, Edge."

C) Paypal.

D) Naked pictures.

Pick one or more.

Hey.. lets get the wording specific for ya (but you know this very well!).

I never asked you anything about the reasons why there could not be questions relating to "industry players". I asked Brandon, but you then elected to step in and talk crap :winkwink:

But.. nevermind, you can aplogise for interrupting later - I still love you Edge - in an non-gay way :1orglaugh

mikesouth 02-02-2007 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11846027)
Only on the inside, I'm afraid, Mike. What God has done to me on the outside is a tragedy to horrible to behold.

:Buck:

I could care I hold brilliant satire and civil disobedience in very high regard

Spunky 02-02-2007 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11846006)
I'm waiting for your apology. Man up. You said you didn't ask me a question when, in fact, the evidence shows you did!

I will accept the following:

D) Naked pictures.

Pick one or more.

Can I pick the naked pix? :glugglug

edgeprod 02-02-2007 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanCapture (Post 11846035)
Nice attitude :disgust

You have to know that was a joke, no?

DeanCapture 02-02-2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11846075)
You have to know that was a joke, no?

Ahhhh - so you "assumed" that I thought this was real? :1orglaugh

Got 'cha -

edgeprod 02-02-2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11846054)
I never asked you anything about the reasons why there could not be questions relating to "industry players". I asked Brandon, but you then elected to step in and talk crap :winkwink:

But.. nevermind, you can aplogise for interrupting later - I still love you Edge - in an non-gay way :1orglaugh

If you love me in a non-gay way, you wouldn't swallow. When will your lies end? Like when you told me you would call me the next day ... :Oh crap

I'm only electing to step in and talk crap because there's nothing on TV. I happen to agree with you AND with the question that you asked.

edgeprod 02-02-2007 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 11846070)
Can I pick the naked pix? :glugglug

Sure. Please say it's Juicy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeanCapture (Post 11846081)
Ahhhh - so you "assumed" that I thought this was real? :1orglaugh

Oh man, that was one of the best multi-board jokes EVER. I hope enough people saw our other thread on the other board to "get" that one. :1orglaugh

Webby 02-02-2007 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11846085)
If you love me in a non-gay way, you wouldn't swallow. When will your lies end? Like when you told me you would call me the next day ... :Oh crap

Dammit... damned fussy! You bitch like a woman and whine about me calling ya. :Oh crap

And where the hell is my dear friend Brandon?? He escape or just busy? :pimp

edgeprod 02-02-2007 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11846128)
Dammit... damned fussy! You bitch like a woman and whine about me calling ya. :Oh crap

It's part of the new, sensitive Edgeprod for 2007! :1orglaugh I even used hand lotion today.

FightThisPatent 02-02-2007 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11845857)
Why is this question not the kind of question that will be asked/answered Brandon??

There is an issue where that topic is clearly of commercial interest since webmasters may elect to terminate dealing with these alleged "industry players" for obvious reasons.


because it is an obvious question that won't get answered.

all correspondance to ICANN is published on their website with the exception of the letters of endorsement by industry players. and those that did give their support in secret, obviously were concerned about some retailiation measures, otherwise they should have held their ground as mike south had said, if you support .xxx then stand up to it.

There are alot more issues to have transparency on concerning the rules and policies of .XXX which have been quite mirky to date.


Fight the man behind the curtain!

FightThisPatent 02-02-2007 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 11845898)
Meanwhile... can you volunteer a valid commerical reason why it should not be asked Brandon? Transparency is healthy...


transparency is healthy when it comes to public policy, but for a private company, some of their inside business issues are not revealed.

You can ask lawley what his sexual preference is while at it, but that doesn't do anything towards understanding the ramifications of a .XXX

If there was a list of those involved, would it matter about .xxx?

NO, what would happen is people would make talk about boycotting those companies, cutting of traffic deals in some kind of retaliation for which doesn't address the .XXX issues.

I am not defending those that sold out the industry, i am just being practical for the scope of the panel discussion to understand what is the impact of .XXX

We all have our minds made up either for or against the idea of .XXX, the panel is not a debate nor will it change many minds.

The point is if/when ICANN approves it, better to know what it means to have or not have a .XXX then continue with speculation (which i admit i have done my fair share of).


Fight the clarification!

FightThisPatent 02-02-2007 11:01 PM

Some questions to ponder :

Since .XXX is the only content-based TLD there is, will there be a requirement to prove 2257 documentation? (recent domain registar and isp asking for 2257 documents of a website are showing some precedent for this)


Are certain domain names going to be off limits like FamilyResearchCouncil.xxx ?
or Christians.xxx or muslims.xxx or buddhalovers.xxx ?

How are the board seats elected? How is the 1 or 2 seats for adult selected?

For those purchasing a .XXX domain, will they be allowed to just park the domain and not use it? Will a TOS be that it has to be live and operational?

Who gets to register the .XXX domain, if there are similar domains with current different extensions (ie. .com, .net. .co.uk, .jp, etc)

$10/domain goes to IFFOR which will then give grants to child protection organizations. Will organizations that are known to be against porn, but of child protection missions be receiving .XXX money?

What will prevent a rate increase on the subsequent years?


Fight the T&A!

Webby 02-02-2007 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 11846300)
transparency is healthy when it comes to public policy, but for a private company, some of their inside business issues are not revealed.

And thank you for the full replies Brandon - appreciated! :thumbsup

Will think on this ;-)

FightThisPatent 02-02-2007 11:14 PM

For those that want to dig down into the details to address specific issues of .XXX (and to help me get through all the documentation to find some additional questions), you can review the recently submitted .XXX agreeement at:

http://www.icann.org/announcements/a...nt-05jan07.htm

This page includes changes that ICM made to appease various ICANN/GAC member countries over their concerns of .XXX


Fight the bedtime reading!

tony286 02-03-2007 12:38 AM

I got one :

You have said you have the support of the adult industry? You say this can be good for the adult industry? Then please share with us the companies and individuals that have given their support? When he declines,then ask if its a good thing why all the secrets?

This wont happen but I can dream ? lol

DWB 02-03-2007 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 11845622)
Questions like "which industry players are supporting .XXX?" are not the kinds of questions that will get asked and answered.

That is a perfectly good question, and one that keeps being avoided. I want to know who I will continue to do business with and who I won't. Like with Zango, I won't do business with companies who support it. So, this should be the first questions that is answered so everyone can get on with the other questions. Of course they people in this industry are the biggest group of pussies I have ever seen in my life, hence the fact that this question will not be answered.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 11845622)
This is an opportunity to ask questions about the .XXX registration process, what impact it has on the industry, what .XXX can do, what .XXX can't do, who gets first shot at domains, etc.

According to those who are involved in the show, and the tone of your post, we are all supposed act as if it will pass and find a way to make a smooth transition into it. Roll over and take our ass fucking while they talk us through it. Well, that sounds like it's a done deal to me and they simply want to present us with the illusion that we have a voice. Why don't they just print it all up nice and neat and mail it to us. Spare us the bullshit.

We all know the hard hitting questions will not be answered. Questions like "Who exactly is supporting .XXX?" and "What organizations made deals to profit from .XXX, and how much will they make per domain?" Will never get an answer. :2 cents:

DWB 02-03-2007 03:32 AM

Here are a few, though I do not expect an answer to any of them.

How will .XXX help prevent children for accessing online porn, when in fact .KIDS would do a much better job in doing so if computers were set to only allow .KIDS domains to be accessed?

Would it not be easier for a child to sit down and just type ANYTHING.XXX and find porn?

Doesn't .XXX put the adult industry in harms way for future problems in the event any one group or government wants to censor, shut down, tax, or use it to force us from our .COM domains? Though .KIDS would not do this and completely protect the children.

So why would you NOT want to protect the children AND our industry at the same time?

DWB 02-03-2007 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent (Post 11846300)

NO, what would happen is people would make talk about boycotting those companies, cutting of traffic deals in some kind of retaliation for which doesn't address the .XXX issues.


And that is what needs to happen.

If I knew a company was selling, promoting ANYTHING harmful to this industry, I would cease all business with them.

DWB 02-03-2007 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 11845768)
And my final question:

"Since this panel has been convened based on the preconception that .XXX is to pass, it's probably fair to also assume that, if passed, legislation will soon follow that forces U.S. adult webmasters onto the TLD. In some cases, webmasters invested tens of thousands of dollars building traffic and brand to their dot-com properties. Even excluding the impact to the brand directly, these webmasters will lose the benefits of money spent on search engine optimization, advertising, link placements, and a host of other expenditures. Many sponsor programs will never convert all of their affiliate links from .com to .XXX.

What do you say to those who stand to lose a large sum based on your irresponsibility and thinly veiled greed?"

:thumbsup

d00t 02-03-2007 03:50 AM

I would like to see a vote of the webmasters in the room at the time of the seminar. If the majority vote NO to .XXX - then he agrees to fuck off forever :)

polish_aristocrat 02-03-2007 04:56 AM

not sure if such kind of questions will get asked, but

should ICANN officially reject .xxx in the following weeks/months, will you cut your losses and abandon this idea for good or will you try to push the .xxx TLD again in a year in the new round of applications for TLD's?

polish_aristocrat 02-03-2007 05:02 AM

you should replace "will there be?" with "would there be?" :helpme

Quote:

will there be a requirement to prove 2257 documentation?
"Are" with "would"

Quote:

Are certain domain names going to be off limits like FamilyResearchCouncil.xxx ?
or Christians.xxx
etc

polish_aristocrat 02-03-2007 05:06 AM

on a second note, does anyone IN THIS INDUSTRY really cares, that should the .xxx TLD be approved, would anyone be able to register muslims.xxx or not?

I mean this can be viewed as an interesting question, but I don't see the relevancy to us...... unless someone who will be sitting in the audience is already shooting content and his dream is to open a hardcore paysite under muslims.xxx and then skin GFY for a week to get everyone promoting him?

MaDalton 02-03-2007 06:12 AM

what happens to porn sites on .com domains that are operated by non-us individuals or companies?

will billing companies be forced to bill only for .xxx sites?


(if the answers are "nothing" and "no" i foresee a very profitable future for me :) )


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:18 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©2000-, AI Media Network Inc123