So instead of finding ways of keeping your shit from getting stolen you should have a bitch fest and cry about it? Is that what you are saying? Im still missing what mgp sites have to do with anything. They are already giving away what they have. They give it away in order to get clicks to the sponsors they pick. Did people not get pissed at first when mgp's started and saying they were giving too much away to the surfer? Adult has always been ahead of mainstream, seems to not be the case anymore.

Goto some of the news channels that have streaming news feeds. Try and grab that content. goto www.myspace.com/fox and try and grab that content. We are being out innovated. Time to step up the game.

I guess google's in deep shit then :winkwink: :winkwink:

I know you dont see why MGP's have anything to do with it. Thats why I say you are not seeing long term why people might have an issue with P2P being made a "feature" of a members area.

To throw my :2 cents: in:

- For those who think what they are doing is illegal, it's not. Not at this point in time anyhow. P2P have a ton of people against it, and a ton for it but until the huge court/money battles bear any result, as it stands they are 100% LEGAL.

- To continue the gun analogy above, if I sell someone a gun and they go kill someone with it, it is not my responsibility. BaDoink is merely another P2P software, enabling people to connect to P2P networks and share files, but that has a more 'porn' theme to it. They do charge for access, but do also distribute LICENSED content on their servers to help start the surfer off in finding what he wants.

- For the point about a tricky cross-sell to another trial, from what I see on the page it looks pretty standard and straight-forward to me:

Special Offer For New Members Only!
Sign me up for a 3 day trial Membership to www.adultmovienetwork.com for $1.00. After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $29.95 every 1 month. Terms and Conditions

- I agree though they should offer up full month subscriptions as an option right away, but that's their choice and business model. If it were me, I'd have the 1-month be $29.95 for example and the trial, $1.00 but rebill at a higher rate like $34.95 or $39.95 - thus you entice people to sign up straight for the full month, which makes your affiliates more money quickly plus in my experience reduces chargebacks/cancels.

- I also agree with Sticky, protecting your stuff isn't that hard, so if you all put the effort into that you do into dissecting programs you might make yourself more money :)

end of :2 cents:

who can i hire to p2p for me??? =)


lol

Right out innovated.....

If you want to do a p2p advertising campaign let me know. www.peer4profit.com We can hook you up with a trial in the next few weeks. :thumbsup

It's not innovative to put a p2p client in a members area I don't think. Anyone can do it anytime, and could have for years. Every paysite operator must have been just stupid by your logic.

I think there's reasons for rules like no posting links to other boards for example. People know other boards exist. But I dont have to make it easier to go to them. Isn't that simple enough?

Ive actually been studying how mainstream is delivering their content. If you look at that myspace vod for fox the video stream changes depending upon connection speed. There are ways to grab the stream, but none that are too easy. With broadband being the prevalent connection to the internet for a large amount of the population, and with HD becoming more and more of a sellign factor for sites, its time to do away with the old, and start pushing some barriers. :2 cents:

Except that's not what badoing are doing. It's more akin to you selling someone a gun.. and then taking them to the street and saying "see how it works, shoot that guy there" and pointing them at someone to shoot.

I can't believe the amount of people in here defending them giving the surfer stolen content.

Will you be back next year complaining about falling ratios? Why should a surfer join a real paysite when they can just go steal what they want? Yes the sharing networks are out there. But there is no need for a so called "legitimate" paysite to say to it's surfer "buy my porn and I'll show you how to access everyone else's porn for free".

Just because stolen content and thievery is widespread give NONE of you the right to be defending anyone engaged at any level in the practice. You're not helping yourselves and your not helping the industry either.

The defenders say it's our own fault!

Like the woman walking along at night, or in sexy clothes, it's her own fault if she gets raped. She didn't do enough to protect herself, the rapist is not responsible.

We can put locks on our doors, and windows, (password protect the content) . We can secure, and alarm the premises (strongbox and other security). But if we don't lock our possessions in safes and bolt them to the floor as well then we have no right to complain if someone steals from us. It's not the thieves fault, it's ours for not securing our property enough.

Marvel at the mentality.

If I leave 100.00 bills on the yard its the person that made the sidewalk running past my yards fault when someone takes them? pfft wake up.

So lets say a site with a 2.95 trial gets the full site ripped during that trial. The person paying the 2.95 has no access restrictions and what they are doing is legal. They then share their porn folder on a p2p network. Whos fault is it?

I really don't see the connection between why lack of "innovation" (aka DRM) makes it ok for Badoink to facilitate content theft.

They've got their logo on the software and are charging a monthly fee to allow their users to steal other peoples content.

You can hide behind the current legal loopholes surrounding p2p, but at the end of the day Badoink is telling their surfers that they can pay less and get everyones content for one low fee.

I can't wait for the lawsuits.

yes or the surfer can pay nothing and goto limewire.com and download whatever they want.

IMO, for the majority of people who want your content, they would rather join your site than sift through the slow downloads, viruses, misleading title files, etc etc...Most of the P2P users are guys who scour password sites, free sites, commit fraud/friendly chargebacks, etc...not the type of member you want any how.

Why not create lots of your own protected videos advertising your site URL and fill the P2P network with them instead, thus turning this kind of app into a way for you to make money from it instead of seeing it only as a loss :2 cents:

If you can't beat them, break the same laws. Nice.

You wouldn't happen to be rolling out DRM services through triplexencoding any time soon would you? Because at this point your motivation seems pretty transparant.

I think BaDoink is in a so called "grey-zone", just like any other p2p client. Sure they say its legal, course they cant imagine that someone shares copyrighted material in their network. They propably know it and maybe even upload this kind of stuff to their network, but in the end they are still safe from law.
P2P will never die if you ask me. The law is just too buggy to stop it.
Its sad, but its a fact!

bump bump

This has been a very interesting thread.

We are speaking with the team at BaDoink now. Our original assessment of their business model concluded they offered an application to view full screen movies for legal content offered from their website. We are assured that the content offered for viewing in their members area is purchased content which they have the right to distribute.

The issue of this thread, P2P file sharing, is a one which the industry as a whole, and the board of directors at Epoch frown upon. Whether what they are doing is legal, ethical, entrepreneurial or otherwise is a question that won't be answered here.

Epoch's policy is that we do not process transactions for P2P services. We are working with the guys at BaDoink to allow them to keep their business operating without the P2P application.

This is the reply I've been waiting on all day :thumbsup

Umm I produce content, I own content lots of it and most of it is content that I didnt produce. I will be launching some sites and trust me my content wont get ripped off. Im just not backwards thinking. Im forward thinking. People are clinging to the old ways of doing things. It wont work much longer. More forward or fall behind.

So you offer a 1 week trial for 9.95. Now what is to stop me from signing up and ripping the full site all your vids, all your pictures to my hard drive? That 9.95 gives me full access correct? Do you have anyway to keep your content from being taken and me only spending 10 bucks? Boy thats a lot of risk for 9.95 dont you think? I spend 10 bucks and now I add all your content to my p2p share folder to help out the p2p community. You have to think.

Limited trial members area :winkwink:

There are ways to protect it. Why are you depending on existing things in order to protect your assets? INNOVATE! If your content wasnt able to be stolen would you be worried about p2p?

Ok so instead of 10.00 30.00. Is it worth risking someone grabbing everything you have on your site for 30.00?

Well see here is where the branch splits. If someone likes what they see on your site, but cannot find it on a p2p they just might sign up right? Lead the way let the rest follow.

http://www.jaymanwashere.com/penisbird.jpg

This is a penisbird.

Please read my post more thoroughly before improperly summarizing my position. I said:

"The Badoink crew are GOOD people and I'm sure they will do what is necessary to correct the situation."

No worries he thinks Im a she too, so his reading comprehension isnt grade A to begin with. lol. :1orglaugh

No thread is complete without CockParrot.

Bump for CockParrot and p2p programs.

it really sucks to see threads like this and the replies that are contained

one side protecting their content and worried about programs like badoink

the other side says badoink is cool and it is the webmasters job to protect his content

I agree it is my job to protect my content to the best of my ability, but to say that I am in the wrong when someone else is charging $20-40 to access my content from their members area, is well, just ludacris

basically, what stickyfingerz is saying, is that it is ok for hackers to backdoor into a server and eat up bandwidth with a torrent they left sitting on the box, and it is the admins fault for not locking down the server properly and the hacker should not be faulted in the least

badoink provides access to illegally distributed content, plain and simple, whether or not the content owner locked it properly is irrelevant

i am curious though stickyfingerz, what is your stance on GUBA? because this is a VERY similar situation

Thank you Rand.

so, what did Badoink do to rectify the situation? I see they are now sponsoring large industry events....my question is, why are large industry leaders letting a company that is KNOWN for promoting stolen content sponsor these events?

The bolded part doesnt make sense to me. You know a torrent file is just what directs your torrent client to the proper place to download it from the peers right? They would have to have a torrent client or server running on your box and pushing files in order to use up any bandwidth.

So riddle me this. If someone compromises your box and is using it to spam non compliant mailings off containing links to cp whos fault is it? Sure the hacker did it, but Id say some responsibility lies in the admins hands to keep their resources secure.

Sorry but this all falls back to secure your shit. If you are allowing your content to be stolen, then distributed by surfers you need to change something. So if someone copied all your content to dvds and shoved them into mailboxes all along the highway would you sue the postoffice?

fault lies equally

Badoink got rid of the P2P feature after this thread came up - they just didn't make a public statement about it.

no shit? now that is good news! why didn't announce it publicly?

You'll have to ask them about that, I just know they got rid of it. :upsidedow

Daily download limit (love it - learn it - use it - if you start a paysite)

Bump for a demo on this. :)