If their salary depends on them not understanding what they are doing wrong...

badoink-ump

Sounds pretty fucked up to me.

I just see this differently I guess. :2 cents:

This thread is going places!!

So basically you also agree by that logic, that I could start a paysite. Have some guy browse through all porn forums, blogs and sites that list rapidshare, megaupload etc links and place them inside the members-area? Or better yet have someone write a crawler script, that way I couldn't be held accountable for the content, as *I* wouldn't be hosting the stuff, rapidshare would.I wouldn't be uploading the stolen content, I would just list what is out there.

Dude... what you are doing is plain wrong. Not necessarily legally, but your ethics are pretty low from what I can tell...

Nice move Aga! :thumbsup

yeah big thanks to aga for getting this "uncovered"! the shit badoink are doing sucks big time and their replies in this thread suck even more!

so you offer a content you own licenses to and give them access to a p2p network and you find nothing wrong with this because p2p is all over the internet?

you do realise p2p is the "darkside/underbelly" of the internet called 'WAREZ' meaning its not legit, aka illegal.

You are some shady mother fuckers for doing it and the sad thing is you cant even spin the fact you are shady very good..

This is just another example where is charged something what is usualy free.For example there was kazza distributed as commercial software.But what bother's me it's they claim all that download is legal and there is not a single legal thing and that is biggest problem beacuse they lie.Also badoink is not only sponsor who has that,there are plenty of other's.

I just noticed they are top banner sponsor here on gfy....

i typically dont like to agree with you because your head swells, lol, but i guess i dont understand how limewire and the others stay open when they provide the same thing, and allow users to share but badoink is being called out. My :2 cents: as well... i honestly do not have a clue how all these content rights work... not my field

Like??......

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the point isn't that there are p2p networks out there and how do we stop them, the point is that a top banner spot buyer on gfy is basically promoting the use of those p2p networks inside their members area, in turn providing their members with free access to any and all exclusive content they want and that badoink didn't pay for

I will admit that I use p2p networks for various things, but for someone to come along and charge access for their members to download my/our p2p shared content is just absurd...all in all, they are charging to download pirated dvd's

think guba, but for p2p

This is along the same lines as the paysites that added 'newsgroup' browsers back in the late 90's.

Same concept (stolen content) different decade.

-dd

Going down are they?

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So, you're charging people to have access to stolen content which is stolen from p2p networks? How is that ethical?

Ok.. so you people upload your content to p2p networks as means of advertising or traffic generation, then you have the balls to claim it is stolen or unlicensed when you're the one that put it there in the first place????


Some of you people are even paying a business to do that for you???


And even if this don't apply to you, fact remains that the content is on a p2p service & badoink is not responsible for the content contained on another p2p, but people are mad that badoink allows their members a connection to those p2p.. is that what all this is about?

I think the big difference is the stuff that they pay people to put up is usually wrapped up with DRM or some other tech that will pop their ads while the surfer watches that movie or clip

double post

Yes, and the other important thing is that the teasers are sanctioned by the content producer or paysite. They're not going to upload their entire member area, but for popular sites it probably wouldn't be too hard to find this amount of content on on a P2P network.

Lol Bobby..


http://www.halloween-mask.com/morris...r031080mor.jpg

Shouldnt there be more upset at the p2p network that allows stolen content then? So go after gnutella and limewire and other networks for allowing it. People are selling content on ebay that is stolen off paysites. Its the people uploading illegal content in the wrong here, not the tool that allows them access. It comes down to paysites protecting their content. Try to goto adultrental.com and steal content from there. You wont be able to do it (at least not very easily). There ARE ways to protect your assets. If I sit a 3000.00 laptop out on the edge of my yard by the street is it not my fault for allowing it to be taken? How many paysites use DRM or other ways to protect their content? Someone will come up with the excuse it makes it too hard for the surfer, or its an inconvenience. Guess what if its easier for a surfer to goto a p2p network and download your content they will go there. Instead of blaming the end result what are you doing to keep your content "your" content? If you know it only takes 24.95 for a surfer to go in and rip your entire site within a month you have a big problem.

My take on badoink is they are using technology to save on their bandwidth costs. Now the next thing paysites need to work on is protecting their files so only users with a license can view them, then distributed torrent files over a cluster of servers, plus your clients. Set it up so they get a reduced rate if they elect to share their files with your other users. This is how HD will best be distributed. There are mainstream sites doing it now. I have a mainstream site I download from using about 10 servers feeding their torrents plus clients share also. I get an average download speed of 2000 down. I downloaded a 923MB file in less than 7 minutes with the way they pushing it. The closest I get to that speed is from natnet since they are in Atlanta. I think I average 1200 down and hit speeds of 1600. Adult is supposed to innovate. Are we still innovating? Or are we sitting and crying about why surfers are stealing our content? There is some thinking to do.


Btw FLAME ON! lol

Exactly right.

I won't touch programs like this, like guba or badoink etc, nor do I have anything to do with companies that enable them, period.

Plenty of companies out there that operate in a more reputable way than that, so I'm not sure why anyone would feel the need to do buziness with these p2p content thieves.

So who stands to lose something if a program provides as a feature of membership, a p2p tool?

Only sites that dont secure their content. I Dont quite understand why people just hand out everything they invested for and do it for 30.00 a month if that.

Good Lord... sticking to the "Good Business... Not Greedy Business" :thumbsup!!

Greed is ugly.

So what you're saying is the police should only arrest one thief if they can arrest them all? It's not fair to do a one at a time approach?

Or they can only arrest the fence for handling stolen property if they have already prosecuted the actual thieves?

No you can't blame the gun (tool) for being part of an armed robbery, but you can blame the arms dealer that sold the gun to the thieves knowing they were going to use it for armed robbery.

Badoink KNOW what they're doing. They aren't an innocent bystander, they are inciting and encouraging surfers to steal.

A war has to be fought one battle at a time.

Looks like what they are doing is ILLEGAL - If you are profiting from linking to infringed materials then you are guilty of ‘contributory infringement’

http://www.webtvwire.com/linking-to-...gal-in-the-us/

Another important subject being buried bump.

So if they have a link to google on their site does that make them crooks also?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&btnG=Sea rch

Again if sites give away their content this is 90% of the problem. If you were making it difficult to steal it would be alot harder for the surfer to get without paying for a membership.

innovate. That is the word of the day folks. Find a delivery system that makes your content "your" content.

Yes people will always find a way to steal, but if you hand it to them with a bow on top whos fault is is really? They can also use p2p to download porn advertising trailers, movie trailers, trial software, freeware, etc etc. I would of done the setup slightly different if I was badoink, but thats me. Let me ask you this, do you think anyone can download the content badoink has on the network without signing up to badoink, or is their content protected? I betcha its protected.

The Badoink crew are GOOD people and I'm sure they will do what is necessary to correct the situation.

The facts in this thread seems to say otherwise.

But its the simple old problem.

The guns wouldnt be that big a problem if it werent for the gunmen.
The gunmen wouldnt be that big a problem if it werent for the guns.

Still though, its only the arms dealers that can really cut down on it. In my eyes, badoink is acting like an arms dealer in this analogy.

Okay we have p2p file sharing. Okay there are huge amounts of content out there. Lets still assume there are people out there NOT using these services.

These people buy memberships and downloads and all that shit, keeping us in business.

Badoink is advertising through the same channels as us.

Badoink is exposing the customers to p2p file sharing, potentially taking those customers out of "circulation" and lessening the total amount of revenue out there for the adult industry.

Is it really that enrichening to burn down the ship you are sailing in? Even if you have a good time while seeing the flames.

Your analogy might work if people used guns for gardening and as a calculator , and for deep sea fishing. p2p is used for a lot friggin more than just stealing. They are using the good side of it to distribute bandwidth costs among the users. Personally again I would use a torrent file distribution system, but still a user would be introduced into the world of torrent file use and might go looking for free downloads. lol Just as I showed from above with my google line. You can find plenty of ways to steal content for free. p2p is a tool. We also use it to advertise and get sales for adult sites. Again INNOVATE! Protect your shit.

Would an MGP owner allow galleries promoting Limewire on his/her network?

What if I offered a script that put's video encoders out of business, would it be ok to advertise it here?

Right if technology out innovates me then I will get left behind. Its happened before to me, and I moved on. I used to do dvd video photo albums for weddings and anniversaries funerals etc. Once dvd burners became the normal thing, and software was made to make it SIMPLE for the consumer to do on their own I quit doing it. Why? I got out innovated. You catching on? Stay ahead of the curve or get left behind. Money will determine what happens. So badoink has a model that allows them to probably cut their bandwidth costs in half. They have an edge. They are reducing their cost of business. Do you think their content can be taken by anyone on the p2p network? I bet you it cant. AND ITS ALREADY ON THE NETWORK! lol. PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT! INNOVATE!

So MGP owners should just shut down right now because they're being paid and brokered new submitters who are out to obsolete them. So why fight it.

Hollywood and the Music indistry protects their content too. Thats why today you can't find a single movie or song available via P2P or Torrent.

Your lack of vision is amazing :) rock on.