FUCK XBIZ and ICM

[mikesouth]

Did anyone bother to READ that release?

Here it is

"HOLLYWOOD, Calif. — With the resurgence of the .XXX sTLD, the XBIZ Hollywood ’07 Conference has invited ICM President Stuart Lawley to be a seminar panelist for a discussion on how the adult entertainment industry and the domain registrar can work to develop a productive relationship if and when the adult-specific domain becomes a reality.

“This is an extraordinary opportunity to listen to and speak with ICM — a force that will likely shape the landscape of adult entertainment online in the years to come, if .XXX becomes a reality,” XBIZ Publisher Tom Hymes said. “I invite all adult entertainment industry professionals to attend the panel on the assumption that .XXX will pass. The question that the panel and the attendees must address is, ‘What happens now?’”

ICRA CEO Stephen Balkam and attorney Robert Corn-Revere of Washington-D.C.-based law firm Hogan & Hartson will join Lawley on the panel, which will be Wednesday, Feb. 7 at 2 p.m. at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel.

The XBIZ Hollywood '07 Industry Conference is the adult entertainment industry's next-generation annual conference. Set against the Hollywood glamour of the Roosevelt Hotel, the event will unite the power centers of the industry for two days of intensive workshops, seminars and networking opportunities. The conference takes place Feb. 7-8, and culminates with the 5th Annual XBIZ Awards at the Highlands on Feb. 8.

“I invite all adult entertainment industry professionals to attend the panel on the assumption that .XXX will pass. The question that the panel and the attendees must address is, ‘What happens now?’”


Fuck assuming it will pass and fuck you Tom, for starting a panel on that premise!

The way I read it you aren't going to be debating whether or not its a good idea you are going to be talking about how you want it implemented....as if you have any say so.

You want to make a statement, dont let them ramrod the idea down your throat that its a done deal, if they wont let you speak out against .XXX tell themn to fuck off and walk out en masse.

Shame on XBiz for this cowardly act, put Lawley in front of us and make him argue that .xxx is a good idea instead of how he plans to line his pockets with out money.

[tony286]

bump for a very good point

[polish_aristocrat]

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00003.html

Tom Hymes was strongly against .xxx just two weeks ago........

[mikesouth]

So why is he trying to lead us to the slaughter now...fuck that

[tony286]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

http://forum.icann.org/lists/xxx-icm.../msg00003.html

Tom Hymes was strongly against .xxx just two weeks ago........

I guess the check cleared since then lol

[JFK]

How about That? An unpopular theme getting aired at a webmaster conference? What do you want, the same old shit that's been going around for years ? Here is your chance to attend and air your dissenting views right to the people promoting it. What is wrong with that?? I think its leading edge, thinking out of the box, as is the 2257 seminar. Kudos to XBiz for having the balls to do it

[tony286]

Originally Posted by JFK

How about That? An unpopular theme getting aired at a webmaster conference? What do you want, the same old shit that's been going around for years ? Here is your chance to attend and air your dissenting views right to the people promoting it. What is wrong with that?? I think its leading edge, thinking out of the box, as is the 2257 seminar. Kudos to XBiz for having the balls to do it

Its very hard to take you seriously when you kiss ass ,on shows that is how you make your living. This isnt debating .xxx this is accepting that they won already.How does this look to Icann that they are invited to a Adult show. 2257 is a government regulation that puts no money in anyones pocket and no sites are blocked because of 2257. One thing you did prove was that this a industry of whores.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

^^^^^Nice sig JFK^^^^^

Originally Posted by JFK

How about That? An unpopular theme getting aired at a webmaster conference? What do you want, the same old shit that's been going around for years ? Here is your chance to attend and air your dissenting views right to the people promoting it. What is wrong with that?? I think its leading edge, thinking out of the box, as is the 2257 seminar. Kudos to XBiz for having the balls to do it

See sig...

ADG Webmaster

[mikesouth]

I will tell YOU and Tom Hymes exactly what I want.

I want XBIZ to put Stuart Lawley in front of us and make the little cocksucker explain to us why he keeps trying to cram this down our throats when we have made it abundantly clear that WE DONT WANT IT

Thats what the fuck I want

[JFK]

Originally Posted by tony404

Its very hard to take you seriously when you kiss ass ,on shows that is how you make your living. This isnt debating .xxx this is accepting that they won already.How does this look to Icann that they are invited to a Adult show. 2257 is a government regulation that puts no money in anyones pocket and no sites are blocked because of 2257. One thing you did prove was that this a industry of whores.

You know what? Just because I have a dissenting view to yours, and you dont think past your fucking nose, does not mean that I am an ass kisser. People constantly complain that there is nothing new on the seminar circuit, then something comes along that is controversial, instead of taking advantage of the situation , coming and airing your views, you bitch on a board! Are you coming to the conference or hiding behind your keyboard??

[JFK]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

I will tell YOU and Tom Hymes exactly what I want.

I want XBIZ to put Stuart Lawley in front of us and make the little cocksucker explain to us why he keeps trying to cram this down our throats when we have made it abundantly clear that WE DONT WANT IT

Thats what the fuck I want

So here is your chance to tell him in person!!!!!

and YES, I am AGAINST XXX !!!!!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by JFK

You know what? Just because I have a dissenting view to yours, and you dont think past your fucking nose, does not mean that I am an ass kisser. People constantly complain that there is nothing new on the seminar circuit, then something comes along that is controversial, instead of taking advantage of the situation , coming and airing your views, you bitch on a board! Are you coming to the conference or hiding behind your keyboard??

Dissenting View with a big fucking xbiz banner lol If I got paid like you to be there ,I would be there also. I understand you cant be controversial when you make your living based on these shows. So just be quiet, I have great respect for you please dont dilute that for me. this isnt a debate its assuming they won, you dont think icann see's that.

[Vendzilla]

Sounds to me like a good idea, you get to voice your opinion about their proposal on the "Premise" of passing. SO what exactly is wrong with that? Think of it this way, at least we get to talk about it, not like what happened when the new 2257 rules came into effect with everyone wondering WTF are the rules!
Yes we could say fuck you and then deal with it when they pass it because no one has told them what a fucked idea it is!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Sounds to me like a good idea, you get to voice your opinion about their proposal on the "Premise" of passing. SO what exactly is wrong with that? Think of it this way, at least we get to talk about it, not like what happened when the new 2257 rules came into effect with everyone wondering WTF are the rules!
Yes we could say fuck you and then deal with it when they pass it because no one has told them what a fucked idea it is!

So giving icann the feeling we are accepting this is a good idea, moderator from the other board. lol Do you need glasses for the short sightness. 2257 and .xxx are two very different things, Im curious are you all given talking points at Xbiz lol

[gigi]

IMO, NOT going would probably speak more loudly than going to this show. Wouldn't be much of a panel if there was no one there to listen/spur the discussion. *shrugs*

[JFK]

Originally Posted by tony404

Dissenting View with a big fucking xbiz banner lol If I got paid like you to be there ,I would be there also. I understand you cant be controversial when you make your living based on these shows. So just be quiet, I have great respect for you please dont dilute that for me. this isnt a debate its assuming they won, you dont think icann see's that.

Naw Tony, I wont be quiet, like I said, are you coming to air your view or NOT??
For your information I dont get paid to be there......just an FYI Thanks for understanding that I cant be controversial, that is one of the reasons I have carried the sig you see for the last 3 yrs. I aim to represent them in a business like manner. I am here for business NOT Drama
ps hope I didnt dilute your repect

[tony286]

Originally Posted by JFK

Naw Tony, I wont be quiet, like I said, are you coming to air your view or NOT??
For your information I dont get paid to be there......just an FYI Thanks for understanding that I cant be controversial, that is one of the reasons I have carried the sig you see for the last 3 yrs. I aim to represent them in a business like manner. I am here for business NOT Drama
ps hope I didnt dilute your repect

Nope still love ya ,I got a warm spot for old folks. What am I going to go for, they are having a seminar assuming .xxx is going to happen.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by gigi

IMO, NOT going would probably speak more loudly than going to this show. Wouldn't be much of a panel if there was no one there to listen/spur the discussion. *shrugs*

NOT going, is NOT speaking

[JFK]

Originally Posted by tony404

Nope still love ya ,I got a warm spot for old folks. What am I going to go for, they are having a seminar assuming .xxx is going to happen.

AWWWWWWWWW its an ASSUMPTION........NOT a Reality.... I want to see you in the front row giving the guy what for!!! Then I forgive you for calling me OLD FOLKS

[gigi]

Originally Posted by JFK

NOT going, is NOT speaking

I see it more as a boycott.....they can be effective when used properly.

[Quick Buck]

all the people who are worried about .xxx are the same people who will rush out to buy domains if it goes live.

.com is king, nothing will change that and nothing will take porn off of .com and onto some silly tld like .travel, .museum or .xxx

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by Quick Buck

all the people who are worried about .xxx are the same people who will rush out to buy domains if it goes live.

.com is king, nothing will change that and nothing will take porn off of .com and onto some silly tld like .travel, .museum or .xxx

except legislation forcing us to .XXX and you can bet your ass thats the next thing ICMR will push for

[JFK]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

except legislation forcing us to .XXX and you can bet your ass thats the next thing ICMR will push for

Mike, you just been given a forum to voice your opinion, use it

[JFK]

Originally Posted by gigi

I see it more as a boycott.....they can be effective when used properly.

As fragmented as the industry is, not going means nothing to them, but assuming they have won

[mattz]

Originally Posted by tony404

I guess the check cleared since then lol

exactly, that really is some bullshit

[webmasterchecks]

Jfk is absolutely right, kudos to xbiz, its like a newspaper getting a hot story early, they should be commended

They are bringing a provocative topic to the table and putting the devil right on front of you to throw rocks at and your complaining? You can handle typing shit about him all day long on a board but your afraid to see him face to face and speak your mind? Mike, I bet when question time comes around, you wont even stand up

They spin it the way they have to in order to get him there, the point is he is there. What are they going to print? See CM President Stuart Lawley get castrated and slaughtered at xbiz?

Another bs thread from mike south

[Quick Buck]

the sky is falling, everybody with fantastic adult .com's sell them to me now at dirt cheap prices before they are worthless and .xxx is all the rage

anybody who genuinely thinks this is a concern should put their money where their mouth is and sell their .com's...

any takers?

bueller?

bueller?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony404

So giving icann the feeling we are accepting this is a good idea, moderator from the other board. lol Do you need glasses for the short sightness. 2257 and .xxx are two very different things, Im curious are you all given talking points at Xbiz lol

I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm a mod here too! And they are exactly the same thing, government involvement, you talk about short sightness, but instead of talking to them, you'd rather say fuck off and hide under a rock? The only reason these assholes in government are attacking us is because we're easy targets and they can tell their voters they did something about "CP", but if we have talks with them and let them know we're getting involved, we stop being targets and become a force that they don't want to fuck with! What scares them the most like any government is that we band together and question authority!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm a mod here too! And they are exactly the same thing, government involvement, you talk about short sightness, but instead of talking to them, you'd rather say fuck off and hide under a rock? The only reason these assholes in government are attacking us is because we're easy targets and they can tell their voters they did something about "CP", but if we have talks with them and let them know we're getting involved, we stop being targets and become a force that they don't want to fuck with! What scares them the most like any government is that we band together and question authority!

if your a mod here then you know me why did you say at the other place who are you???? What will talking to them achieve? They are in this for the money, if it was to protect kids and the industry the domains would be 7 dollars not 75.You dont think this sends a message to icann we have accepting them as already won. Also these people have a history have telling lies, so talking to them will achieve what? Stop running the party line and think for yourself.

[mikesouth]

Originally Posted by tony404

if your a mod here then you know me why did you say at the other place who are you???? What will talking to them achieve? They are in this for the money, if it was to protect kids and the industry the domains would be 7 dollars not 75.You dont think this sends a message to icann we have accepting them as already won. Also these people have a history have telling lies, so talking to them will achieve what? Stop running the party line and think for yourself.

RIGHT ON TONY

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony404

if your a mod here then you know me why did you say at the other place who are you???? What will talking to them achieve? They are in this for the money, if it was to protect kids and the industry the domains would be 7 dollars not 75.You dont think this sends a message to icann we have accepting them as already won. Also these people have a history have telling lies, so talking to them will achieve what? Stop running the party line and think for yourself.

when you post something as stupid as

Originally posted by tony404
Basically giving ICM a infommerical at the Xbiz show.

you don't come off as too bright!

you can continue to bitch about what they are doing and live under a rock, or you can get involved, XBiz is getting involved.
And for the record, I don't get anything for being a moderator at that board, I just like doing it. I speak my mind everywhere I post!

[mikesouth]

if you are "getting involved" i suggest you do it from a less suspicious political stance. Like I said...make that panel what we want it to be Make Stuart Lawley face us and explain to us why he keeps cramming this down our throats when he knows we dont want it.

Make the maggot say its for the money, press him how long it will take him to push for legislation making .xxx mandatory for adult sites, put his fucking feet in the fire and quit selling us out.

Thats me speaking MY mind.

[Theo]

Of course its all about the money. A nobody trying to become somebody stepping on the backs of adult webmasters.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

when you post something as stupid as



you don't come off as too bright!

you can continue to bitch about what they are doing and live under a rock, or you can get involved, XBiz is getting involved.
And for the record, I don't get anything for being a moderator at that board, I just like doing it. I speak my mind everywhere I post!

Getting involved? assuming they already won, once again your smart guy how does this look to icann ? This isnt fighting the fight this is bending over.

[SomeCreep]

All this talk of .xxx. Wasted effort. There will be no .xxx. Dont worry.

[Brad Mitchell]

Someone should pass a petition around the seminar for signatures and full names of the adult webmaster attendees that do not want .XXX and those that do. There will be 1 that wants it, everyone else doesn't.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

Of course its all about the money. A nobody trying to become somebody stepping on the backs of adult webmasters.

You could ask what Lawley/XBiz assume they actually have to offer this industry as a whole or any webmaster in it. I can't think of anything other than self-glorification and leeching.

This stuff is both arrogant and obviously self-serving - hard to expect more from XBiz and totally inline with the leeching conduct of a greedy asshole on an agenda...

“I invite all adult entertainment industry professionals to attend the panel on the assumption that .XXX will pass. The question that the panel and the attendees must address is, ‘What happens now?’”

The answer is very simple - nothing "happens now". The "panel" need to mind their own damned business and stick to publishing a news website for the adult industry - it's all they are capable of. None of them will ever speak for me, but thanks for the non-consideration and assumption.

[RawAlex]

This in my mind puts XBiz directly on the side of the people looking to kill off competition and basically wipe out the affiliate side of the business by making existing domains worthless, and allowing the rich companies to pre-buy all the decent XXX domains and essentially squatting on the entire adult industry.

I am truly disappointed to see where XBiz has ended up.

[d00t]

Interesting move....

The way I see it, by inviting them, or even allowing anyone from ICM to attend, we as an industry are supporting their cause by allowing them to be "on our level". To me this is not a sign of rejection but of acceptance of .XXX by the online adult business.

Can you imagine how ICM will spin their invitation after the event? "Ohh, we were at xbiz, one of the largest blah blah...webmasters came out in force to help us out and blah blah they support it and we know what they want blah blah blah..."

:2cents:

[Webby]

Originally Posted by d00t

Interesting move....

The way I see it, by inviting them, or even allowing anyone from ICM to attend, we as an industry are supporting their cause by allowing them to be "on our level". To me this is not a sign of rejection but of acceptance of .XXX by the online adult business.

Can you imagine how ICM will spin their invitation after the event? "Ohh, we were at xbiz, one of the largest blah blah...webmasters came out in force to help us out and blah blah they support it and we know what they want blah blah blah..."

:2cents:

You said it

That raises the question of why would anyone in this industry attend a "conference" and listen to this bullshit. It has nothing to do with the adult industry and akin to inviting alcoholics to speak at a bartenders gathering and advise them of a way forward in their industry.

[Kimmykim]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

if you are "getting involved" i suggest you do it from a less suspicious political stance. Like I said...make that panel what we want it to be Make Stuart Lawley face us and explain to us why he keeps cramming this down our throats when he knows we dont want it.

Make the maggot say its for the money, press him how long it will take him to push for legislation making .xxx mandatory for adult sites, put his fucking feet in the fire and quit selling us out.

Thats me speaking MY mind.

Well, mike, I don't think you've been to too many internet show panels if you really think the crowd won't manage to either verbally horsewhip the guy into the corner (unless the moderator stops it) or create an atmosphere akin to Barnum and Bailey stopping in with the elephants.

Anyone remember the Andy Edmonds-on-a-panel at Cybernet New Orleans?

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by JFK

Mike, you just been given a forum to voice your opinion, use it

and what is that going to achieve? you really anyone will just talk this guy out of trying to make xxx a reality? give me a break. you can bitch, debate whatever till your red in the face but in the end money speaks louder than words.

[xNetworx]

This thread delivers

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Well, mike, I don't think you've been to too many internet show panels if you really think the crowd won't manage to either verbally horsewhip the guy into the corner (unless the moderator stops it) or create an atmosphere akin to Barnum and Bailey stopping in with the elephants.

Anyone remember the Andy Edmonds-on-a-panel at Cybernet New Orleans?

Where is Lee Noga when we need her? Damn... she gave Andy a reaming that day.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Well, mike, I don't think you've been to too many internet show panels if you really think the crowd won't manage to either verbally horsewhip the guy into the corner (unless the moderator stops it) or create an atmosphere akin to Barnum and Bailey stopping in with the elephants.

Anyone remember the Andy Edmonds-on-a-panel at Cybernet New Orleans?

It shows to ICANN the industry is planning on acceptance of .xxx , thats a problem. ICANN wont be sitting in the audience. Come on people think about the big picture.

[gigi]

Originally Posted by Kimmykim

Well, mike, I don't think you've been to too many internet show panels if you really think the crowd won't manage to either verbally horsewhip the guy into the corner (unless the moderator stops it) or create an atmosphere akin to Barnum and Bailey stopping in with the elephants.

Anyone remember the Andy Edmonds-on-a-panel at Cybernet New Orleans?

Why even give them that attention? Like tony says...ICANN won't see any of it. That same energy could go into voicing your opinion to the people who have the power to make a difference.....ICANN.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Where is Lee Noga when we need her? Damn... she gave Andy a reaming that day.

Good point Alex - And where exactly is Lee hiding out?? Cumon girl...

[Webby]

Originally Posted by tony404

It shows to ICANN the industry is planning on acceptance of .xxx , thats a problem. ICANN wont be sitting in the audience. Come on people think about the big picture.

Totally agree Tony

Instead of XBiz giving a platform to .XXX TLD's, how about they address constructive topics that relate to the adult industry - not their own agenda.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell

Someone should pass a petition around the seminar for signatures and full names of the adult webmaster attendees that do not want .XXX and those that do. There will be 1 that wants it, everyone else doesn't.

That is a good idea.

I think it's BS that the panel is for us to assume it's going to pass. That is just them saying, "you lost, deal with it, lets figure out how to work together."

That is not a solution, that is slow greasing of everyone's ass for the soon to come fucking.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by tony404

Getting involved? assuming they already won, once again your smart guy how does this look to icann ? This isnt fighting the fight this is bending over.

Your about as sharp as a bowling ball, let me explain

true story, yesterday I picked up a rental car, I'm a big guy and I like to have the bigger cars. I asked how much for a full size car and how much for the premium car, while she was explaining the prices to me, we chatted a bit and she coughed a couple times, I gave her a couple cough drops, I have a cold myself. She gave me the premium car for the cost of the full size car, a Chrysler 300m for $79 for 2 days. If I would have kept my mouth shut or complained about the price, what do you think I'd be driving?

Moral of the story is it's always better to speak up when giving a chance than just sit there and bitch!