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pocketkangaroo 01-23-2007 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11779701)
what the fuck... are you and sticky having some sort of tag team ignorance showdown?


"heated" in the context of this discussion means "33 degrees which melts some ice.. somewhere" not "oh my fucking god! the oceans are boiling and we're all going to die"

Ignorance is believing that melting ice would not require any rise in temperature on the planet. Or that the rise in temperature would only be in regards to the part of the planet that houses the icecaps.

If ice melts, it means the temperature of our planet has risen. This means that all the water on the planet rises in temperature (even if it's small). That rise will expand the water, thus causing the sea levels to rise. I don't see how this is hard to comprehend.

Pleasurepays 01-23-2007 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 11779729)
Ignorance is believing that melting ice would not require any rise in temperature on the planet. Or that the rise in temperature would only be in regards to the part of the planet that houses the icecaps.

If ice melts, it means the temperature of our planet has risen. This means that all the water on the planet rises in temperature (even if it's small). That rise will expand the water, thus causing the sea levels to rise. I don't see how this is hard to comprehend.

dude... seriously... you should stop.

melting ice obviously requires a temperature above freezing. thats hardly the same thing as making a wrong argument that "heated sea water" can eventually increase in volume to offset the difference between the density of fresh water ice and density of sea water to result in a positive net change in sea levels.

fresh water is at its maximum density at just above freezing anyway, i believe. salt water depends on salinity

stickyfingerz 01-23-2007 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11779789)
dude... seriously... you should stop.

melting ice obviously requires a temperature above freezing. thats hardly the same thing as making a wrong argument that "heated sea water" can eventually increase in volume to offset the difference between the density of fresh water ice and density of sea water to result in a positive net change in sea levels.

fresh water is at its maximum density at just above freezing anyway, i believe. salt water depends on salinity

OK OK!! NOW put it in perspective... What is the average CLAIMED temperature increase recorded over the last 100 years??? less than 1 degree F.

pocketkangaroo 01-23-2007 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11779789)
dude... seriously... you should stop.

melting ice obviously requires a temperature above freezing. thats hardly the same thing as making a wrong argument that "heated sea water" can eventually increase in volume to offset the difference between the density of fresh water ice and density of sea water to result in a positive net change in sea levels.

fresh water is at its maximum density at just above freezing anyway, i believe. salt water depends on salinity

It's called thermal expansion. It's agreed upon by virtually every major scientist in the world. When the planet increases in temperature, water expands, the sea levels rise. I don't know of any scientist in the world that doesn't believe that. The argument is whether humans are causing the rise in temperatures or whether it's a natural progression of the planet.

Pleasurepays 01-23-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 11779949)
It's called thermal expansion. It's agreed upon by virtually every major scientist in the world. When the planet increases in temperature, water expands, the sea levels rise.

congrats on your google skills. i know what thermal expansion is... oddly and not to my suprise, you were supposedly smart enough to look that up with google.. and yet apparently not smart enough to do the very obvious and look up a table to compare water density at varying temperatures and the density of fresh water ice/sea water to see how retarded your argument is... that argument being that the density of fresh water ice and density of sea water are both less than "heated" (your word) sea water, to explain that melting ice will actually cause sea water levels to rise using the obviously flawed reasoning that to be "melted" it must be "heated".

Pleasurepays 01-23-2007 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11779897)
OK OK!! NOW put it in perspective... What is the average CLAIMED temperature increase recorded over the last 100 years??? less than 1 degree F.

what does that have to do with your remarks about "misplaced water" and polar bears?

stickyfingerz 01-23-2007 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11780057)
what does that have to do with your remarks about "misplaced water" and polar bears?

Again you need to watch Als little movie.

http://movies.peekvid.com/s4055/

Pleasurepays 01-23-2007 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11780072)
Again you need to watch Als little movie.

http://movies.peekvid.com/s4055/

no thanks... my life doesn't revolve around politics, shameless propaganda and brainless hysteria. it revolves around my wife, work and my goals.

aico 01-23-2007 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11780057)
what does that have to do with your remarks about "misplaced water" and polar bears?

Has absolutely nothing to do with it. Just some less intelligent person (and that's putting it mildly) who can't seem to see the movies different points, so he's putting them all together as if they are one. I mean come on, with a mininum of 12 years of schooling and he doesn't know that there is land under the ice in Antartica, you can't really expect him to grasp much of anything from a 2 hour movie.

stickyfingerz 01-23-2007 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 11780129)
Has absolutely nothing to do with it. Just some less intelligent person (and that's putting it mildly) who can't seem to see the movies different points, so he's putting them all together as if they are one. I mean come on, with a mininum of 12 years of schooling and he doesn't know that there is land under the ice in Antartica, you can't really expect him to grasp much of anything from a 2 hour movie.

No I believe I was trying to point out that the ice shelves have no land under them. You think I was asking questions cause I didnt know the answers already? lol. I asked them to see what all you global environment sheep would respond. So do the ice sheets in the arctic and antarctic work like a normal glacier that expands and extracts during the season? You think if an ice shelf expands far enough from the land base into the ocean that it might split away under its own weight?

aico 01-23-2007 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 11780165)
No I believe I was trying to point out that the ice shelves have no land under them. You think I was asking questions cause I didnt know the answers already? lol. I asked them to see what all you global environment sheep would respond. So do the ice sheets in the arctic and antarctic work like a normal glacier that expands and extracts during the season? You think if an ice shelf expands far enough from the land base into the ocean that it might split away under its own weight?

Oh ya, you fooled us all, funny how that's always the reasoning behind your obvious stupidity "I was just trying to fool you"... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Keep pointing out that they don't have land under them, so I can keep pointing out how much of a fucking idiot you are for being 100% wrong.

pocketkangaroo 01-23-2007 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11780038)
congrats on your google skills. i know what thermal expansion is... oddly and not to my suprise, you were supposedly smart enough to look that up with google.. and yet apparently not smart enough to do the very obvious and look up a table to compare water density at varying temperatures and the density of fresh water ice/sea water to see how retarded your argument is... that argument being that the density of fresh water ice and density of sea water are both less than "heated" (your word) sea water, to explain that melting ice will actually cause sea water levels to rise using the obviously flawed reasoning that to be "melted" it must be "heated".

You're not arguing with me man, you're arguing with almost every scientist in the world. Have you thought about publishing your findings? Most of these scientists seem to think that thermal expansion is a reason for the rise in sea levels. You should set the record straight with them and their silly lives dedicated to science. :thumbsup


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