I seriously can not stop laughing right now, partly from disbelief of the stupidity and partly from the stupidity.

be careful not to misplace your water volume mass!

So Al Gores little movie didnt talk for a long time about how Ice shelves breaking off were going to make sea levels rise eh?

haha... did you get bored with your "scientific" discussion?

no one is defending anything that Al Gore said.

please go back to schooling everyone on 8th grade science and 3rd grade geography. thats much more entertaining!

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Ice is expanded water and will only displace it's weight in the water
so when ice melts in water the total volume of water will be less not more!

As far as areas going under water it's more a result of the land sinking
not the water level rising.

There are some areas where the land is actually rising above sea level
like Northern Europe and Antarctica.

Seriously, I can't argue with you anymore, I feel bad, I didn't realize how dumb you really were until this thread.

So, let me see if I got this right. Adding more water to water decreases its volume?

Holy shit the Europeans are gonna have a hay day in this thread.

Are you saying ice is water so it's volume, mass and density will be the same ?

water expands when it freezes. when a piece of ice is floating the a cup and melts, the result would be a very slight decrease in the level of water in the cup assuming a significant portion was not floating above the ice (determined by its own density).

what genius boy is trying to say in his own cute, but sadly pathetic and morbidly entertaining way, is that ice floating in the sea and then melting does not raise sea overall levels. this is true for two reasons. 1) fresh water is less dense than salt water 2) ice is less dense than water

what his thick head can't seem to grasp is that no one argues thats the case (not talking about rare exceptions of extremists). the melting ice, ice shelves breaking apart etc are generally seen as warning signs that the polar ice caps might begin melting at an accellerated pace as well.. which would then result in an overall increase in sea levels as that water ends up in the sea.

hope this brings the class up to speed!

No I am saying, Ice is fucking Ice and when it melts it becomes Water, so when you add more water to water, the volume of that water increases...

Jesus fucking christ did you two go to the same fucking school???

Ahh knew someone would get this eventually.

Too much coffee you still dont get it.

This is basically 100% wrong and goes against hundreds of years of science.

I'll take too much coffee over serious lack of education anytime.

So the movie that triggered all these recent gfy debates doesnt show a big graphic of rising sea levels due to ice shelves breaking off, and then saying the world trade center memorial will be under water?

your comments assume ice is not in the water when it melts... his assume ice is floating in the water when it melts.

I wasn't talking about volume I was answering this question!

"So lets make this simple. A glass filled to the top with ice melts, does it overflow the glass?
"

So you are saying an icecube when melted takes up more space than in its frozen form?

How the fuck would i know? I dont watch that shit. I think Al Gore is an idiot. Al Gore is to the environment what Al Sharpton is to racism. They need a boogeyman or they become irrelevant.

Making fun of you and your backwards arguments and commentary has nothing to do with supporting Al Gore or watching his movie

No, I assume the ice is in the water. Just because the "sea level" in the glass goes down, does not mean the volume is not going up. The area that the Ice is displacing in the water is not part of the water's volume, that's why it's called displaced, when the ice melts, the ice loses part of it's volume displaces less, and the water gains volume.

When water is heated, it expands.

well you sure said volume.

Tell ya what, take a glass of water put it on the table, fill it up to the rim, call that the ocean. Take 3 ice cubes, call them them Iceland, put them in the water, call the water on the table Manhattan.

Well this is what I was aiming at. Go watch the movie and you'll have the same attitude as I do right now. Silly little scare tactics and all the sheep are believing it lock stock and barrel. Why do you think its been such a hot topic the last few weeks? lol

I'm sorry man, but you are wrong as well. It's not about the ice adding more volume. The overall mass is a constant.

You right it should have been level as the water volume will actually
increase after the ice melts and it's volume will be added to the water
volume.

Thank God...

I wasn't talking about volume, god I give up. Since you haven't seen the movie, I'll give you the run down.

There is ice sitting ON TOP of iceland, not in the water. That ice that is not in the water is doing something that some other ice did just before it all slid into the ocean. According to Al Gore, when that Ice that is not yet in the water, slides off of Iceland and into the ocean, it will displace so much of the ocean that it will raise the sea level.

Has nothing to do with the volume of water.

now you are playing sematics... obviously the water gains volume as more water is added to it as a result of the melting ice. but the argument is whether or not the overall level of the water would rise as a result of the melting ice. the answer is "no".

Ok, that is something different then. I don't know much about that. I was just talking about the regular ice glaciers melting and why it would raise the sea level.

There are like 3 arguments going on, you are confusing them with one another.

Yes it would rise. Water expands when heated.

sorry man... i didn't watch it. i didn't know he was saying that or what he was saying or that you were referring to anything he said.. anyway... back to work. :)

dude... seriously. stop.

no water is being heated in the context of the 342 different conversations happening here.

It expands more when it is frozen, however.

Yes it does. Which is fine and dandy for the 1% of the Earth that is ice. The other 99% is water, which when heated will expand.

You said that ice melting would have no effect on the sea level. Usually to melt ice, you have to heat it.

The only concern of the melting ice that is already in the water is the addition of too much fresh water to the delicate balance between fresh and salt water that create the North Atlantic Current. It has absolutely nothing to do with the rising sea level.

The sea level problem is the ice that sits on top of Iceland. That ice is starting to do something very similar to another body of land based ice that slid into the ocean. Water is melting down and thru, and running underneath the ice. If it breaks off and goes into the ocean, it will raise the sea level.

Stickyretards argument is combining the two into one, which they are not. But, what do you expect from a guy who obviously failed Science & Geology.

what the fuck... are you and sticky having some sort of tag team ignorance showdown?


"heated" in the context of this discussion means "33 degrees which melts some ice.. somewhere" not "oh my fucking god! the oceans are boiling and we're all going to die"

You are correct in saying that the ice that is not in the water melting will cause sea levels to rise. But rising temperatures will as well. Anytime water is heated, it expands. This is agreed upon by virtually ever scientist in the world.