oh and one only has to look at the pics from the hubble telescope on space.com to realize that we are nothing more than a speck of dust on the monitor of the universe. and that there is no way we will EVER truly grasp or wrap our minds around where why and how we evolved into what we are or if there really is a purpose here besides just being damn lucky.


Only thing you can be sure of is that PORN IS AWESOME!

man. you don't even understand what im trying to explain to you. ill try again. this is a very crude explanation.

mold = cannot fathom the universe in the way perceive it.

monkey = cannot fathom the universe in the way we percieve it, but undoubtedly is more complex and intelligent than mold, but is still a long ways a way from understanding things the way we do.

humans = we all know what it's like to be human. we're able to reflect on all of the other lifeforms and undoubtedly know we are more intelligent than them.

now, this next part is where you're having problems. i guess in whatever school you went to they taught you that evolution was a system that once existed, but is now no longer in use? they told you mother nature retired?

evolution does not stop. right now you are unable to fathom what complexities a few more billion or even million years of evolution might bring forth. it's like mold trying to learn calculs, it's just not possible. either the concept clicks with you and you realize anything is possible, or you're just a religious nut playing for the wrong team.

Without reading the thread as it only brings up the same ignorance That's been covered so many times on GFY - you should have added 'and American' to the thread title. Fortunately many Americans have intelligence and understand evolution. It's amazing how many don't though.

Usually I ignore that kind of threads , but this time I can't stand saying get back to your damn cave, you fucking troll.

Discussing creationism, evolution and god on ADULT BUSINESS board is more than just plain stupid. Ask your god to hit you with a lightning.

I think a point alot of people miss about religion/faith is its not just a "false comfort" or an answer to the unknown.. its a way to keep us sane and give us a reason for existing.(i.e. scare us into conforming ). without it we are no different than other animals and would gladly smash each others heads open and eat the goo inside.

I think the bible itself kind of gives it away :) it also has a warning.. judgement day is the day we have to rely on ourselves and not faith any longer..

yeah ... :)

This is a very complex topic. If there is a G-D (which I do believe), how did he get formed? What was before him? I believe we find out when we die.

I'm an atheist and I have absolutely no desire no smash your head open or eat the goo inside. Nor to I have any desire to rape, rob or vandalise.

I hear this argument a lot from believers. You know... "Without my belief in Christ what is to stop me from murdering and robbing you?" This sort of argument just makes me realize how fucked up religious people really are deep down inside. If their belief in god is the only thing stopping them from committing psychotic/murderous acts then they are seriously fucked up, deranged individuals.

And you know that for a fact how ? :helpme






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Huh??

Actually, we exist in space and are controlled by time. Time does not exist except in our minds.

There could also be dimensions where they exist in time and are controlled by space.

Reference to slaughterhouse 5 for full detail on that.

Absolutes are ALWAYS wrong :thumbsup

I have it on extremely reliable sources that rocks are the highest form of life in the unverse :thumbsup

Space time consists of 4 dimensions.

Space being three-dimensional with time as a 4th dimension. Without space there is no time. Time is not in our minds.

There is nothing "before" big bang because there was no time before the space.

You should know better than to listen to him :2 cents:

Scientific Pantheism: A Manifesto is one of the truest things you'll ever read, except of course you didn't actually read it.

Where did I say that evolution has stopped? Of course I know that evolution is an ongoing presence. I think you have misundestood, or I have misunderstood - I thought you were trying to say that because we have made it this far, then there must be other entities more advanced than us.

If you are referring to where I said that simple genetic mutation in a multicell organism no longer relates to evolution, then yes, evolution in that way is pretty much non-existent - or at teh very least at a rate million-fold less than single-cellular organisms.

No, evolution now occurs in the germline - the sperm or the oocyte where the progeny has the advantages...

Unless of course you are talking about non-natural evolution ie where we are now more evolved than for example our great great grandfathers. Genetically and naturally, we are the same, yet our knowledge has evolved...

Sorry I wasn't clear, but I do fully understand evolution, believe it, and am living proof that it is ongoing :winkwink:

So if you believe in god, then where did god come from?

Erm...no, it hasn't. It's called the 'Theory of Evolution' for a reason. ;)

And so the story goes....

this is still going, so is life! Find a balance, and maybe u realize that evolution was part of the plan. When Moses was spoken to by the flaming tree, one thing of importance was said: I am who I am. It is that simple, it is what it is, and if the answer isn't good enough, hold on, more will be revealed!

that's so far off the mark.

Evolution is a fact, only the mechanism is a theory. :2 cents:

Correct! The Theory Of Evolution attempts to explain the Fact of Evolution.

:1orglaugh no fucking kidding eh? thank GOD there is a GOD.. so now we can beat each other's heads into goop over, well, GOD.

R

Nah, that's what the pohlice do.

But, yeah, nomatter where in the world, however big or small a community, or when in time, belief in different gods has always been around.

I prefer to believe in the heebee jeebies.

i always thought the idea of "god" was simply a manifestation of the human race as a whole. So basically "God" is considered the "Supreme Being" simply because God represents humanity as a whole.

So, everyone of us has a voice saying, "thats a fucking bad idea". that can be considered god, or common sense.

But, there is also a voice, "devil", or stupid animal desires, "fuck what a bad idea, lets do it anyways"

So basically religon and god evolves as the human race evolves and matures. my 2 cents

R

Believing in a secular, scientific reason for the universe (ie: a lucky mistake) takes just as much faith and is just as illogical as saying 'God did it'. Prove the universe is a mistake. Prove it! You can't....you are going on faith based on your experiences and current knowledge.

Logic should never be the only yardstick used to measure reality....in fact, it CAN'T be....even if you want it to be.

Nice post on pantheism BTW. Personally I'm of the panentheistic persuasion.

Hmm, no. Sorry.

Actually there are at least 6 dimensions. The tree dimensions of space. Time. The Kmart dimension and then there is the mystery dimension.



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From a frog, most definitely :thumbsup

Actually the most important thing said that day was said by Moses. And I quote:


"that is the best fucking ergot I have ever had. I bet we can sell this to the fucking egyptians for $5.00 a hit"






I was there. I know :thumbsup

Oh yeah. One fiddy frog gods

We are of course, our own worst enemy. We are intervening and stopping/accelerating evolution right now... we introduce species in environments where they are not normally found, hence other species suffer, then we genetically modify the suffering species to combat the invading species we introduced. We introduce offspring to families by artificial means because they have genetically changed and cannot have children. We wipe out entire species or drive them to the brink of extinction because they are either a pest to us or they provide things that tickle our fancies.

And then there is homosexuality.

And of course the bible boffins jump on board and use God to try and legislate against all this. I mean these people can't be that intelligent or else they would use science instead of god to win their argument.

Or, perhaps, that is just the way evolution works :upsidedow

ask the elephants

but that's not natural

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh. You aren't supposed to tell anyone about the elephants dammit.




Next thing you know you'll be spilling your guts about the giraffes too.





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well if I do, it's because you let the big cat outta the bag :winkwink:

If the universe simply all boils down to science and natural law as you state, then the outcome of our actions would also be 'natural'.

So, who said evolution is natural? :helpme

The hell you say. Let me tell you, any pussy I get, I keep around me. I never let it go.


And stop calling my wife a bag dammit :mad: