ASM for the Nexy Kaptain Kirk Role!!!!!!!

knowledge can only be gained by those that can contain it.

That's not exactly true - it's our own perception of existance which makes comprehending it difficult. Understanding it however is simpler.

Life was created through the biological soup, where biochemical reactions were happening a thousand to the dozen. A biochemical reaction being a chemical reaction involving biological molecules, those that make up our cells - in their simplest form, acids and bases and water. In that soup came sugar and amino acids. From the sugar (ribose) came nucleic acid (ribonucleic acid) and then DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid).

That's all you need to create life.

Look at prokaryoters (bacteria, specifically the ancient archaebacteria) - they will never die. Neither will the eukaryotic cells, (eg yeast). They will only ever die if starved of nutrition.

As evolution progresses, multicellular organisms are made and with that comes the life-problem of supplying those cells with nutrients, hence a vascular system. ie we need a heart. The heart is a self-perpetuating pump. The first initial shock to make it beat will sustain it for ever. Well, not quite.

Multicellular organisms face one major problem - all cells must live in harmony. DNA mutation occurs thousands of times a day in our body, yet our cells have the machines to repair that. Evolution occurs from the cell missing that mutation. In our body, comprised of millions of cells, a single cell mutation is not evolution, it is a cancer. In a single-celled organism, it is evolution.


For life - beginning and end, take a car. A car works because of a simple spark. (ignoring corrosion) that spark will always exist so long as energy is supplied. Yet so long as energy is supplied, the car will not live forever, because its existance is the sum of thousands of little things, and if one of those things decides to change to do something else, the entity will fail.

Fucking hell, this is prolly my longest post ever. Thanks for reading if you ever got this far!!

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didn't actually turn out to be that long, but my mind was racing, so it seemed so :lol:

ah go on then, while I'm on the Burgundy, and in case there are any biologists around who will step me up - eukaryotic cells, yes will die, because they have linear chromosomes, whereas bacteria have circular ones. The problem with that is that when the DNA replicates (during cell division), a linear chromosome poses a problem - how to replicate the end, because the machinery will just fall off, missing the last few bases.

Over time, this will lead to shortening of the chromosome and losing precious genes. Bacteria don't have this problem because their DNA is circular, hence the machinery to replicate goes around and around.

Eukaryotes (yeast and us) overcome this problem by sticking 'junk' DNA to the ends of chromosomes, called 'telomeres'.

The problem is, eventually, we end up using up the telomeres and start eating up our own DNA. This is called 'ageing'. Honest to gods truth. Then we die.

i never get involved in two different types of conversations, politics and religion, they are both never ending and will never have an agreed upon outcome

Bro I'm far from religious. Maybe you don't understand how the scientific method works? Maybe you're as ignorant as a bible thumper?

Seriously?

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except, that should be objective experience.

For those who can't read the books. There was a good plot on Discovery channel today :)

Well that's kind of letting God in on a technicality. I disagree that there is room for God in science. By the general definition of God, you can't formulate a hypothesis to prove/disprove His existence, therefore He falls outside the realm of science.

i'm an idiot

thank you. my bad.

I believe in God.

I believe in everything, thus nothing is sacred, yet I believe in nothing, thus everything is sacred :upsidedow

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Did Donny tell you to say that?

but on your point toward the room for God in Science - I disagree. Science fails because we cannot comprehend or understand two simple values:

Zero and Infinity

everything in between can be rationalised and determined experimentally. But for those two absolute values is exactly where God comes in, only because it comforts us in explaining the inexplicable.

--edit, so what I was trying to say, is that there is no room for God IN science, only outside it.

The blackness and sleep is coming.

Its like it was before you were born - nothing then - no pain etc nothing.

Some fuckwits find "nothing" hard.

Even though they have already been there.

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I just realised how dumb I am!!
Sorry Smokey

Faith is for the weak, who don't want to lead themselves. I believe in a mixture of evolution and the panspermia theory (exogenesis). If you don't know what the panspermia theory is have a look see and leave your anti-religious remarks at the door, thanks.

100 idiotic evolution deniers.

you are so off the mark its not funny. I sell your arse in the shower block of goulburn prison bitch, whilst on your knees are you hoping not to get stood over for your great headjobs, or are you going to get on your feet and do something about it. Methinx it is you that lives in the box bitch!:thumbsup
I cannot stand you fuckwits that sit here and waste time debating over this shit. Not any of you can bring me irrefutable truth. Yes i wonder, but I certainly dont waste my time on my knees praying to something that alledgedly allready knows what I am thinking. And what makes you think I have a job. I might be a welfare cheat that sells drugs for all you know. I think it is you who is misinformed, tosser....:321GFY

Yeah man... he did.

Lol another three page thread by me and not a single one of you "pure evolutionists" has answered my original question. I never said I denied evolution I said there is obviously MORE THAN EVOLUTION so if you think your little "theory"(and thats what it is by the way) explains it all you are in serious need of therapy. What makes you people any different than your average religious nutjob? They have incomplete explanations too.

difference = acceptance of being proven wrong. Go out and find evidence that stands up to scrutiny that evolution is wrong and the scientific community will give you Nobel prize and bow down at your genius.

say that religion is wrong and you'll get called a nutjob by Splum.

Evolution rocks!!

Maybe if you were doing something other then copy\paste up outdated emprisistic rants you find on the internet (especially ones as silly as the "Scientific pantheism manefesto" :1orglaugh ) you could have a discussion, rather than just talking down to someone.

Maybe one day you'll do some thinking for yourself though!

In your opinion.

i agree, there is no proof which one could stand by with conviction. It is why we experience so many problems when debating such a topic. Even the evolution theory itself is flawed and incomplete. Somehow, i dont think we are meant to know, but it is a hot topic, and yes, religious whacko's shit me to tears. Answer me this, if god exists, and i say this so's not to offend, seeing as though i drive a volvo and live such a boring life,why would he give us free will to have us fall to our knees every time the shit hits the fan? Would this not be the time to get off our arses and do something? I dunno, organized religions of the world seem to be some of the most profitable of all orginisations, seems to me that the whole thing just dont make sense. If one was to read the scriptures, it is said that we are in the time of the sixth seal, emergence of false profits, and time of truth, it is all contradictory. I treat life as mine, my dad blew his load and here i am, but not for 1 minute do i beleive it is that simple, i use this as a way to maintain inner strength. We are all powerful beings, and yes, 99% of us do walk around with some other fuckwits ideals. I am a powerful being, no-one will live in my head thanks, i will make up my own mind, and something tells me that this mind wont be made up until it is ready to enter the big rest!!!:thumbsup

It's funny but in Europe, even the Christian Europeans, do not believe in the silly creationist nonsense that seems to dominate here in the US. You'll be hard pressed to find a creationist in any other western nation but here; although I am sure there are a few sprinkled here and there, it's not like 50% of the population or more believe in something as retarded as intelligent design and talking snakes like we unfortunately have in this country.

no splum, I did answer your question. you just either diidn't read it or understand it.
Our cells came from the biological soup. The biological soup came from the big bang which took all the gases floating around and created elements. you did learn and understand the importance of the periodic table of elements didn't you?

Look up the quark-gluon plasma explanation for the creation of the universe -
nucleation of positive and negatively-charged atomic nuclei giving rise to gases...
and don't ask me where the atomic nuclei came from that preceded the big bang. Because before that there was nothing.

I can not explain that, but just because I cannot explain that does not mean that it cannot be explained or that it will not be explained.

I do not have to invent a super being or a higher power or something larger, greater and way beyond, yada yada yada. In order to explain what I do not know.

There are many things I do not know, and many things I do not understand (economics being one of them, never got the keysian shit, ya know) That doesn't mean it's magic.

But, it could end up being magic, who knows.

In the long run it does not matter.

The unenlightened man gets up, takes a shit, gets cleaned up, eats breakfast and goes about his day. The enlightened man gets up, takes a shit, gets cleaned up, eats breakfast and goes about his day.

It was.

It is.

It will be.










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Nothing is the goal not the start. (Hmm, seems like there should be a glasshoppa at the end of that :winkwink: )

if only it was that simple. gloss up, no one here needs a lesson in 8th grade biology. scientific theory is just that, theory. and your hardnosed beliefs actually go against evolution and science. you spew hypocrisy and you don't even know it.

basic analogy, maybe you'll understand.

can mold growing on bread comprehend calculus? can it draw a beautiful painting? does it understand the big bang theory? obviously no. there is a pretty big gap in how different the world is to us compared to how it is for mold. i mean mold can't even think! no fucking brain! mold just physically cannot understand the world the way we do. now imagine something spanning the other direction from us with an evolutionary difference comparable of that to which we compare ourselves to mold.

get it? think about it and just maybe you'll grasp how evolution works.

Space was created in big bang.

Time can only exist in space. (space-time continuum)

Before space there was no time.

There is nothing called "before big bang".

How the hell do I spew hypocrisy???
Why does one have to think for evolution to exist? I fully understand how evolution works. Does evolution exist elsewhere in the universe, most likely.

Go and watch some Matrix and smoke some more weed.

interesting reading here!!

You non believers are pathetic! There is a God and he is the one true god that created god, went bak in time and programmed the primordial soup and with his own bare hands gathered the elements to compress and create the planet earth and all teh planets in our solar system and the universe itself, and YES he did this in 7 days!

HE IS...
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/7...630763l3od.jpg

and on the 8th day he kicked some SERIOUS ASS!


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