50 armchair philosophers

i strongly believe the fact that i dont know how it all started.

i also strongly believe that the thread starter is an idiot.

All this does is dive into a philosophical debate about the nature of reality and existance. Your beliefs have no more merit than anyone elses. Let people believe what they want. You can't prove you're right and neither can anyone else.

Just wanted to let you know at least one person read and appreciated this. You made me search out the original.

nice fucking stupid thread, may god help you, well if there was one

I would never trust someone so dumb he doesn't believe in evolution with any kind of $$ for SEO marketing.

Or anything else.

on earth, religious faith is a cultural artifact.

you believe what you do because of two things:

WHEN and WHERE you were born in this world.

man has walked upright for a very long time. on the human time line the modern "information age" era that contemplates "evolution" is very short.

as an analogy, if the human timeline were 1000 meters, the discussion of evolution would be right out at the end of the timeline, maybe in the 1 milimeter area.

in the 1400's the ancestral catholic church wanted to burn copernicus at the stake because he dared say the earth was not flat. i was shooting in thailand a few years ago, and the bargirls in the room did not want me to kill the spider crawling in the corner because they thought it was one of their ancestors who had not done good works in his life, and these girls were serious.

crazy silly shit.

in 2007 if you don't believe religious faith is silly yet, then get on a jet and fly 10,000 miles to bangkok, or calcutta, and visit the temples, listen to the people worshipping cows and buddha, then get back in the airplane and fly to tulsa oklahoma and go see oral roberts, or go to west virginia and listen to jerry falwell, or watch benny hinn cure people with cancer.

listen to the camel jockeys praising their god as they fly a hijacked jetliner into the world trade center to kill "infidels".

it's all mindless nonsense. superstition, voodoo shit. religion is for people that are afraid to walk alone on a dark night.

science is not perfect. but it is based on the concept of observation, and proven, repeatable results.

religion is created to reduce human stress, take the fear out of dying. it is mother goose stories for adults.

morality and religion are two different concepts.

about the best we can do is to be a good person, pet a dog, be kind to a child, be a good friend, love your family, do something for someone.

then die in peace.

yes, read it also. very logical, interesting.

nice to see there are a few on GFY with above average IQ.

it's evolution baby....

Faith, by definition, exists outside of logic. Forget the fossils, the carbon dating, even the Flintstone memoirs. Nothing will effectively diminish the faith of a true believer. Logic, by its very nature, just don't work there. They're almost mutually exclusive.

Adults actually still believe in fantasy's?

Listen you religious nut jobs. The idea of God was created to make up for the lack of science.

Thats why the Greeks and Romans explained everything away with Gods. They didn't know any better. Now you nut jobs are born and raised with this idea in your head and now you wonder why you can't get it out of your head?

Want proof that the universe is Billions of years old? Look at the stars.

Want to know how the earth was created? Check out Discovery Channel HD

Bingo. . .

So you won't argue that your athiest or agnostic views are a product of WHEN and WHERE you were born. What makes your view right and someone elses wrong? After all, your belief structure is just a product of your enivornment and experiences, just like everyone elses. But oh, you've got it all figured out and everyone else wrong?

What makes your belief that it's "crazy silly shit" have more merit than their belief? Because your experiences in life have led you to believe this, while their experiences have led them to believe something else. But you're right and they're wrong? It's not like you can examine the situation from any perspective that's not influenced by your own experiences. So you take your bias into every situation, as does everyone else. Whose right? Whose wrong? Maybe there is no right or wrong, only perception of being so based on experiences.

if you wanna mix science and religion, I'd say buddhism makes the most sense. Quantum physics and lsd might help you understand buddhism a little better.

so you've found someone exploiting people to make money? they prey on weakminded people and exploit them. really is this any different than parts of this industry? bad apples show up everywhere, not just in religion.

Nothing is provable. Everything comes back to subjective experience.

And you don't use science to impose that exact same feeling upon yourself? "No need to worry about burning in hell. I believe in science!"

i agree.

The difference between science and religion is that you have to have heard about religion to believe in it, noone ever just stood up and said, i'm a Hindu without ever hearing anything about Hinduism the same for Christianity and every other religion, science is just natural.

it isn't that I do or don't believe in any of that shit, I just don't really care

personally, I think people that spend their lives worrying about where they came from, or worshiping things they don't know are there, are wasting a good part of their life away

do you think, if there is really some higher power, that they want you spending a GOOD chunk of your life worrying about that "being"?

I think if there is a god, or whatever, that they laugh at use most of the time because of the amount of time we spend worrying about things that MAKE NO DIFFERENCE while we are alive

I knew I was a buddhist before I ever knew what buddhism was

It was a glorious accident that we are here. Deal with it.

Well said. :thumbsup

no one ever stood up and said i believe in Einstein's theory of relativity without knowing what it meant.

I did. Twice. :mad:

Who the fuck cares....
We are here, stop wasting time, its limited!

No but they do stand up and say, I do want a proper explaination of why the world is the way it is, which is the starting point for science. Realising the theory that is called Einsteins Theory of Relativity is just part of the natural progression of logical thinking, stopping at 'God did it' isn't.

You have a Volvo, 2 kids and a dog right? 9-5 job .. comes home, makes dinner, watch an hour of TV and then goes to bed .. over and over again .. right?

Not that I have anything against people who lives/thinks inside the box.. 99% of all people do...

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Thanks dude. I was afraid that it was posted in vain.

Keep in mind Einstein to his death kept trying to prove a master plan and formula that could explain it all. Thus ruling out chaos theory. After all he was a devote believe in god and such a master formula was required.

Einstein didn't believe in your typical God.

Einstein quotes fwiw: http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/einstein.htm

we will never come close to understanding it until we no longer follow time.. :)

we all know everything has a start and a finish and there cant be something from nothing,

but we also know we exist therefore we must be wrong about the first 3 things we know .. = loop

But Einsteins Theory of Relativity could some day be proven wrong. Science is an open book constantly changing. By definition, there is always room for God in science. If you don't think so, you don't understand science.

faith is good ..:)

Roffle. Donny tell you that?

ASM for the Nexy Kaptain Kirk Role!!!!!!!

knowledge can only be gained by those that can contain it.

That's not exactly true - it's our own perception of existance which makes comprehending it difficult. Understanding it however is simpler.

Life was created through the biological soup, where biochemical reactions were happening a thousand to the dozen. A biochemical reaction being a chemical reaction involving biological molecules, those that make up our cells - in their simplest form, acids and bases and water. In that soup came sugar and amino acids. From the sugar (ribose) came nucleic acid (ribonucleic acid) and then DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid).

That's all you need to create life.

Look at prokaryoters (bacteria, specifically the ancient archaebacteria) - they will never die. Neither will the eukaryotic cells, (eg yeast). They will only ever die if starved of nutrition.

As evolution progresses, multicellular organisms are made and with that comes the life-problem of supplying those cells with nutrients, hence a vascular system. ie we need a heart. The heart is a self-perpetuating pump. The first initial shock to make it beat will sustain it for ever. Well, not quite.

Multicellular organisms face one major problem - all cells must live in harmony. DNA mutation occurs thousands of times a day in our body, yet our cells have the machines to repair that. Evolution occurs from the cell missing that mutation. In our body, comprised of millions of cells, a single cell mutation is not evolution, it is a cancer. In a single-celled organism, it is evolution.


For life - beginning and end, take a car. A car works because of a simple spark. (ignoring corrosion) that spark will always exist so long as energy is supplied. Yet so long as energy is supplied, the car will not live forever, because its existance is the sum of thousands of little things, and if one of those things decides to change to do something else, the entity will fail.

Fucking hell, this is prolly my longest post ever. Thanks for reading if you ever got this far!!

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didn't actually turn out to be that long, but my mind was racing, so it seemed so :lol:

ah go on then, while I'm on the Burgundy, and in case there are any biologists around who will step me up - eukaryotic cells, yes will die, because they have linear chromosomes, whereas bacteria have circular ones. The problem with that is that when the DNA replicates (during cell division), a linear chromosome poses a problem - how to replicate the end, because the machinery will just fall off, missing the last few bases.

Over time, this will lead to shortening of the chromosome and losing precious genes. Bacteria don't have this problem because their DNA is circular, hence the machinery to replicate goes around and around.

Eukaryotes (yeast and us) overcome this problem by sticking 'junk' DNA to the ends of chromosomes, called 'telomeres'.

The problem is, eventually, we end up using up the telomeres and start eating up our own DNA. This is called 'ageing'. Honest to gods truth. Then we die.

i never get involved in two different types of conversations, politics and religion, they are both never ending and will never have an agreed upon outcome

Bro I'm far from religious. Maybe you don't understand how the scientific method works? Maybe you're as ignorant as a bible thumper?

Seriously?

^^^^^^^^^^^

except, that should be objective experience.

For those who can't read the books. There was a good plot on Discovery channel today :)

Well that's kind of letting God in on a technicality. I disagree that there is room for God in science. By the general definition of God, you can't formulate a hypothesis to prove/disprove His existence, therefore He falls outside the realm of science.

i'm an idiot

thank you. my bad.

I believe in God.

I believe in everything, thus nothing is sacred, yet I believe in nothing, thus everything is sacred :upsidedow

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Did Donny tell you to say that?

but on your point toward the room for God in Science - I disagree. Science fails because we cannot comprehend or understand two simple values:

Zero and Infinity

everything in between can be rationalised and determined experimentally. But for those two absolute values is exactly where God comes in, only because it comforts us in explaining the inexplicable.

--edit, so what I was trying to say, is that there is no room for God IN science, only outside it.

The blackness and sleep is coming.

Its like it was before you were born - nothing then - no pain etc nothing.

Some fuckwits find "nothing" hard.

Even though they have already been there.

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I just realised how dumb I am!!
Sorry Smokey

Faith is for the weak, who don't want to lead themselves. I believe in a mixture of evolution and the panspermia theory (exogenesis). If you don't know what the panspermia theory is have a look see and leave your anti-religious remarks at the door, thanks.