Real Drama! Calling out Doctor Dre and NoWhErE - Page 4 - GoFuckYourself.com

beemk · 01-13-2007, 03:14 PM

one fiddy drama threads

Doctor Dre · 01-13-2007, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beemk

did you actually talk to brad or did you just msg him and mabye he didnt get it? if you talked to him i think that was a pretty shitty thing to do, i mean you didnt buy the hosting from him or sign any contract so you cant be held responsible. i would consider that defamation of character.

Yes I have definitly talked to him. I've been running some of the stuff on the server so I can understand his concern. But I'm not the one that have been dealing with him on anything related to money.

Here's a quote from him in the convo we've had :

Quote:

Listen, I'm not trying to complicate things, you have to know that. I functioned in good faith and if I'm misunderstanding your involvement then I'll be the first one to clear it up, Martin.

But I do think the bill is definitly inflated... and that not sending it for 5 months was what made this whole thing so damn big.

Herb Kornfield · 01-13-2007, 03:53 PM

This is why you *MUST* get a formal quote that outlines the structure of the deal terms that you have in a business relationship when making the decisions to move forward with any service provider to your business.

Once you decide to hand your needs over to a provider, a contract is an absolute must to have. Spelling out the roles and responsibilites clearly at the onset of a business relationship in contract form save for countless headaches later and other assorted drama.

Reading how things are handled here sometimes boggles my mind. Just use contracts and stop the bullshit.

CyberHustler · 01-13-2007, 03:59 PM

*cough*.....

TubeSubmitters · 01-13-2007, 04:10 PM

so unhappy with 95th percentile pricing wtf signup for it... scammer

Brad Mitchell · 01-13-2007, 04:21 PM

Hi Everyone,

I have been out all day and am now I'm getting ready to turn around and go out for the evening. Obviously, there is quite a bit to respond to today as much has been said. There isn't anything here I won't address in full, I am after all the one who started the thread.

Few quick things:

- Yes I spoke with Dr Dre over ICQ, I'm not at the office to re-read the logs but the jist of it was that he said the server wasn't his and he needed to wait for NoWhErE for a response. I reiterated that his not having involvement with the server was the farthest from my understanding. I know that he had at least one domain on it and over ICQ we talked quite a bit about the server. From the phone conversations I had with Jason, it was my understanding they were partnered on the submissions and revenue. But just like I told Dre on icq, if I was wrong, I would own up to it. If NoWhErE says it's all his then it's all his, just seems odd that they are both sharing a server together again at their next host but under Dre's name. He said he was waiting to talk to NoWhErE and I thought that by not discussing our brief ICQ conversation here on GFY that they might have a chance to sort things. Dre, I don't deal in "drama leverage" - I don't need it. NoWhErE has clarified this is his responsibility, I apologize that I misunderstood the relationship I think with all conversations considered it was a very honest mistake.

- LinkSentinal (hotlinking protection) never got installed because doing so requires the client to interface with our staff because it's custom. You have to work together, otherwise you run the risk of breaking something. When you're a host, that's a sin.

- Regarding the phone conversation we had I said that I wanted to get LinkSentinal installed so that we could assess how much of the usage, if any, was hotlinked. I did say that I would be happy to discount the bill but that required subsequent conversation and an installation of LinkSentinal and you went MIA. I absolutely did discuss the amounts that were generated in overage with you over the phone. It was after this conversation that somehow we were unable to get ahold of ever again.

- The invoice you are speaking of was "late" was because I continued to send emails, call both of your numbers that I had on file and leave voicemails, all asking you to call me. I didn't want to send a bill out that wasn't going to be a 'final' one but eventually I gave up and did just that. I sent the invoice at face value and explained why in the notes section, yet again asking you to contact me.

- I didn't know that you vacated our service until just a few days ago when I pulled a report to look at client's December month-end usage. I always send invoicing around the 15th of the month and I had no clue when I sent the December 15th invoice that you were off the server on the 8th. Didn't you notice when I sent the invoice on December 15th that it was an invoice for January service at your base $200/month plan? I had no clue you left in the middle of the night, if I did I wouldn't have billed for the next month of service on a month-to-month deal.

- Contrary to how my invoices might be perceived as being automated, they are entirely manual. It's a little bit of extra work but I find that by doing this myself it keeps me very much in touch with our clients and responsive to the changes in their business. It's this attention to our clients that had me initiating phone calls and engaging in discussions about how best to change your rates, plan, etc and during that conversation tell you that I would writeoff some of your bill.

With regard to your complaints about the service, support and server I'll have to interface with Corey and Greg on that. Moreover, I need more than a couple of minutes to respond sensibly. I have to get going but will post again in the morning as obviously this is all far from resolved. There is certainly some truth to some of what you have stated but everything seems quite blown out of proportiom like this is all essentially spin to confuse the issue of you not responding to us after I talked dollars on the phone with you.

To pretend like I wasn't attempting to call and email you on a regular basis is wrong. At the end of the day you didn't have the decency to engage in any conversation whatsoever and you simply bailed without discussion, explanation or, even by your own admission, a "final statement" of what the full balance is that you would be responsible for at any host - that I was willing to discount. You make it sound like my bill was a "fuck you" - dude, you vacated your server a week before I sent that bill.

More later, I suppose. Glad we finally got the conversation going.

Cheers,

Brad

CDSmith · 01-13-2007, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Well, its regretful that Brad decided to take this to the boards,

It's the kind of thing that happens when you ignore someone's emails and messages for weeks and months. I've seen it happen a thousand times on the boards and it is almost exclusively because one party ignored the other for too long instead of just keeping the lines of communication open.

So it's not regretful at all, it could very easily have been avoided.

The Captain · 01-13-2007, 04:50 PM

who can you get 25$ average use from?

Sly · 01-13-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Captain

who can you get 25$ average use from?

I'd like to know this too.

I don't know of anyone offhand that charges as low as $25 per mbit on overage, $40 per mbit on overage is actually quite a good price. Now committed bandwidth is a different story.

Tryme · 01-13-2007, 05:11 PM

what host will do $25 unless it's crappy ass shit?

Otherwise I am getting ripped off paying $45 a megabit.

BVF · 01-13-2007, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoWhErE

Our current host just quoted us : 4000 gigs = about 14 mbits = 350$

I REALLY want to know what legit host offers 4k gigs of legit bandwidth for 350

split_joel · 01-13-2007, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tryme

what host will do $25 unless it's crappy ass shit?

Otherwise I am getting ripped off paying $45 a megabit.

We have premium multi-homed bandwidth and we have a bunch of customers paying 25 dollars per mbit and 25 dollars per mbit over.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-13-2007, 05:39 PM

Some of you are missing the point - it sounds like NoWHeRe got 4000 Gb for $0 over several months...

ADG Webmaster

BVF · 01-13-2007, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by split_joel

We have premium multi-homed bandwidth and we have a bunch of customers paying 25 dollars per mbit and 25 dollars per mbit over.

Do you offer 4,000 gigs of premium multi-homed bandwidth for 350?

scottybuzz · 01-13-2007, 06:21 PM

i changed my stance. dam drama

goodluck u guys, hope u sort something out.

Crasy Bitch · 01-13-2007, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I'm surprised you carried them for that long if they were not paying all that was due...

ADG Webmaster

Good question .... Why did you ????????????????

Doctor Dre · 01-13-2007, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

I REALLY want to know what legit host offers 4k gigs of legit bandwidth for 350

Serverprovider . and it's 4k overage bandwidth on top of the initial plan...

Been using them for years

baddog · 01-13-2007, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

I REALLY want to know what legit host offers 4k gigs of legit bandwidth for 350

No shit.

he-fox · 01-13-2007, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Do you offer 4,000 gigs of premium multi-homed bandwidth for 350?

actually at 25$/mb is 320$ , if I´m not wrong

Oracle Porn · 01-13-2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

Do you offer 4,000 gigs of premium multi-homed bandwidth for 350?

many of them...

The Ghost · 01-13-2007, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

Serverprovider . and it's 4k overage bandwidth on top of the initial plan...

Been using them for years

You mean 4000mb, not GB correct?

Doctor Dre · 01-14-2007, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

You mean 4000mb, not GB correct?

4000 gigs. But that's overage you gotta get a starting plan

noooze · 01-14-2007, 01:58 PM

hehe i have 20 mbit line for 450 $/ month

so dr dre's plan doesnt sound crazy to me

Agent 488 · 01-14-2007, 02:00 PM

why is this thread still going? i thought spunkys outsourced poster said it was resolved?

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01-13-2007, 04:21 PM	#156
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Hi Everyone, I have been out all day and am now I'm getting ready to turn around and go out for the evening. Obviously, there is quite a bit to respond to today as much has been said. There isn't anything here I won't address in full, I am after all the one who started the thread. Few quick things: - Yes I spoke with Dr Dre over ICQ, I'm not at the office to re-read the logs but the jist of it was that he said the server wasn't his and he needed to wait for NoWhErE for a response. I reiterated that his not having involvement with the server was the farthest from my understanding. I know that he had at least one domain on it and over ICQ we talked quite a bit about the server. From the phone conversations I had with Jason, it was my understanding they were partnered on the submissions and revenue. But just like I told Dre on icq, if I was wrong, I would own up to it. If NoWhErE says it's all his then it's all his, just seems odd that they are both sharing a server together again at their next host but under Dre's name. He said he was waiting to talk to NoWhErE and I thought that by not discussing our brief ICQ conversation here on GFY that they might have a chance to sort things. Dre, I don't deal in "drama leverage" - I don't need it. NoWhErE has clarified this is his responsibility, I apologize that I misunderstood the relationship I think with all conversations considered it was a very honest mistake. - LinkSentinal (hotlinking protection) never got installed because doing so requires the client to interface with our staff because it's custom. You have to work together, otherwise you run the risk of breaking something. When you're a host, that's a sin. - Regarding the phone conversation we had I said that I wanted to get LinkSentinal installed so that we could assess how much of the usage, if any, was hotlinked. I did say that I would be happy to discount the bill but that required subsequent conversation and an installation of LinkSentinal and you went MIA. I absolutely did discuss the amounts that were generated in overage with you over the phone. It was after this conversation that somehow we were unable to get ahold of ever again. - The invoice you are speaking of was "late" was because I continued to send emails, call both of your numbers that I had on file and leave voicemails, all asking you to call me. I didn't want to send a bill out that wasn't going to be a 'final' one but eventually I gave up and did just that. I sent the invoice at face value and explained why in the notes section, yet again asking you to contact me. - I didn't know that you vacated our service until just a few days ago when I pulled a report to look at client's December month-end usage. I always send invoicing around the 15th of the month and I had no clue when I sent the December 15th invoice that you were off the server on the 8th. Didn't you notice when I sent the invoice on December 15th that it was an invoice for January service at your base $200/month plan? I had no clue you left in the middle of the night, if I did I wouldn't have billed for the next month of service on a month-to-month deal. - Contrary to how my invoices might be perceived as being automated, they are entirely manual. It's a little bit of extra work but I find that by doing this myself it keeps me very much in touch with our clients and responsive to the changes in their business. It's this attention to our clients that had me initiating phone calls and engaging in discussions about how best to change your rates, plan, etc and during that conversation tell you that I would writeoff some of your bill. With regard to your complaints about the service, support and server I'll have to interface with Corey and Greg on that. Moreover, I need more than a couple of minutes to respond sensibly. I have to get going but will post again in the morning as obviously this is all far from resolved. There is certainly some truth to some of what you have stated but everything seems quite blown out of proportiom like this is all essentially spin to confuse the issue of you not responding to us after I talked dollars on the phone with you. To pretend like I wasn't attempting to call and email you on a regular basis is wrong. At the end of the day you didn't have the decency to engage in any conversation whatsoever and you simply bailed without discussion, explanation or, even by your own admission, a "final statement" of what the full balance is that you would be responsible for at any host - that I was willing to discount. You make it sound like my bill was a "fuck you" - dude, you vacated your server a week before I sent that bill. More later, I suppose. Glad we finally got the conversation going. Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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