Domain Dispute - GoFuckYourself.com

Gator · 07-25-2002, 07:50 PM

I registered a domain that was expired and went through the 30 day grace period. Now the person who had it registered before wants it back. They offered to consider buying it back or take legal action to get it back. This is not a trademark and I want to keep it for certain reasons. What should I do?

twistyneck · 07-25-2002, 07:53 PM

I had a guy do that once. One polite "fuck off" email got rid of him.

alias · 07-25-2002, 07:54 PM

it's yours man, keep that shit

they forgot so it's their own fault

Socks · 07-25-2002, 07:54 PM

What's the domain name? ;) I'd ignore them and see what happens. We had someone write us a letter one time telling us that "due to a clerical error, we neglected to register this domain name, but already have a business plan, website design, etc etc. We're very sorry, but we are willing to re-imburse you the $70 for domain registration"

We got a good laugh out of that one.. ;)

ldinternet · 07-25-2002, 07:55 PM

A swift "get fucked" should do the trick.

J.R. · 07-25-2002, 07:58 PM

If the domain is owned by a legal US company
with a tradermark or incorporated business they can
force you to give it up, especially if they owned it before.

how do I know that, I called my attoreney in LA.

lawpal · 07-25-2002, 08:02 PM

they are pretty much fucked, unless they have a trademark or copyright claim

if I were you I would put the site into use immediately.

put something up

make sure to put up some logos - something simple that you create that is original

put a notation on the bottom of the page with something to the effect that

thissite.com Copyright ? 2002 All Rights Reserved.
thissite.com in any form whatsoever appearing on this site and throughout the internet are service marks of thissite.com

Also, contact the registrar, and have them "lock" the registration to protect yourself. It is easy to do, and will save you from a headache in the future.

If they give you a hard time get a lawyer.

Socks · 07-25-2002, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
how do I know that, I called my attoreney in LA.

Suuuure ya did buddy.

Chris R · 07-25-2002, 08:12 PM

The law on this is not clear cut.

For example:

kathleen kennedy townsend (running for gov in MD) lost her bid to get domains with her name back:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true

while Madonna wins.

The difference?

Madonna makes money off her name.

Usually they need a trademark, but not always.

If you want to know - call up Ari Goldberger. He is honest and will tell you the deal with the name you have. He practice is almost all domain law as far as I know.

www.esqwire.com

His fees are very reasonable and will let you know up front if you have a good claim to the name.

I have probably gotten dozens of letters threatening me with lawsuit/udrp. Only one has followed through (pending UDRP action).

J.R. · 07-25-2002, 08:16 PM

Hey Gator..

Nice try..

I will see you in court now that I know you
more or less grabbed our name up!

www.cyberworldmedia.com

visit my site.. www.wantboobs.com

we are a legal trademarked and incorporated company
and we will take you to court in order to block or take
back this domain..

We have been using Cyberworldmedia.com since
2001.. plus we have business cards as proof as such.
Contact my attorney Ken Braun in Los Angeles at
310-772-0100

archer · 07-25-2002, 08:27 PM

huh?

what did i miss jr? didn't follow this part of the thread at all

Theo · 07-25-2002, 08:29 PM

CyberworldMedia.com is scheduled to come online in 153 days!

when Jesus returns!

StacyCat · 07-25-2002, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.

We have been using Cyberworldmedia.com since
2001.. plus we have business cards as proof as such.
Contact my attorney Ken Braun in Los Angeles at
310-772-0100 [/B]

Okay, so why let the domain run out? why not re-register it? Why wait and have to call your lawyer about it?

J.R. · 07-25-2002, 08:38 PM

someone grabed the domain up after we had an
error on renewing it on our end.

pisses me off.. oh well, attorney's says it may be
expensive but we have a good solid case since
we have first claims through various protections
under former and current new laws

hyper · 07-25-2002, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
someone grabed the domain up after we had an
error on renewing it on our end.

pisses me off.. oh well, attorney's says it may be
expensive but we have a good solid case since
we have first claims through various protections
under former and current new laws

unless you have an actual mark on the name and they use it in the same category as your mark.. you lose

how do i know?

someone tried to take one of my names claiming the same thing..
they lost

J.R. · 07-25-2002, 09:04 PM

there is more too it then just that..

Mr.Fiction · 07-25-2002, 09:06 PM

The domain dispute system is fucked. You might as well roll a set of dice to find out if you'll win or lose in arbitration.

J.R. · 07-25-2002, 09:08 PM

The big question, can they afford it..?

I can afford the court costs...

I would give them a few bucks out of courtesy, just
to make them happy.

lawpal · 07-25-2002, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
there is more too it then just that..

find some way to work this out, otherwise you will both end up spending thousands on lawyers for a nasty fight

remember, if you sue, your chances are really only 50/50

I have seen it over and over and over and over

resolve it now before it blows up and costs you an arm and a leg

if you don't you will both regret it

then again, I have to laugh because it was absolute stupidity to let the domain lapse (shit, they give you a million reminders, so you must have been fucking lazy)

and at the same time I have to say to Gator, I don't know you, but it seems to me that if (and I say "if" because I don't know) you did this intentionally to cause problems, then you deserve to be sued and I hope you lose because it is just bad business to intentionally try to hurt others

Mr.Fiction · 07-25-2002, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
The big question, can they afford it..?

I can afford the court costs...

I would give them a few bucks out of courtesy, just
to make them happy.

I don't understand exactly what's going on, and how it ended up here on GFY. Why don't you just pay them $1000 for the domain and get it over with. You're talking about some strange coprorate domain that will get no traffic on its own, right? They get a free $1000, you get your domain, and everyone is happy.

What's a $1000 between GFY friends?

Sly_RJ · 07-25-2002, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

What's a $1000 between GFY friends?

Not a thing, I'll send you my mailing address.

Mr.Fiction · 07-25-2002, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Not a thing, I'll send you my mailing address.

Do you take Pay Pal?

J.R. · 07-25-2002, 09:18 PM

I offered to buy it back..
what do they have to loose

they can contact me at [email protected]

Sly_RJ · 07-25-2002, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Do you take Pay Pal?

Absolutely! I'll even cover the processing fee for you, no sweat!

wouncie · 07-25-2002, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
Contact my attorney Ken Braun in Los Angeles at
310-772-0100

You're suing HIM, but HE needs to call YOUR attorney??!!
LOL, OK. Wait on that call. LOL

J.R. · 07-25-2002, 09:35 PM

LOL.

I am always willing to work this out if he
contacts me,

My email about the attorney refers to the fact
if he thinks I am bluffing like so many do about
anything in life.

The domain lapsed since it went to a friends
domain that moved out of the usa. We did not
know this domain had lappsed until today.

.:Frog:. · 07-25-2002, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gator
I registered a domain that was expired and went through the 30 day grace period. Now the person who had it registered before wants it back. They offered to consider buying it back or take legal action to get it back. This is not a trademark and I want to keep it for certain reasons. What should I do?

Tell the orginal owner:
You snooze you lose, end of story.

kronic · 07-25-2002, 10:02 PM

Something to consider (imho) Gator, would be the reputation of the person who previously owned this domain.

I don't know J.R. so I can't comment on him personally.

However, if Shemp had a similiar problem to the one J.R. is claiming to have and you didn't give him that domain back (perhaps with some small compensation), my guess would be that you would quickly become one of the most despised webmasters in the business. Thus, any trades or favors you may have received from any of his connections would be non-existent. The money you may make from simply owning this domain would pale in comparison to what you might have made with him on your side.

On the other hand, if this happened to someone with the reputation of an asswipe, perhaps nobody would give a shit(Although, everyone here has people they do business with).

Do your research and see exactly who your dealing with and if it's really worth the trouble.

The connections you make in this business will FAR outweigh ALMOST any domain that would become available.

Now, if you were talking about sex.com, well then I'd tell him to go fuck himself just out of principal, because nobody that stupid should own that domain.

Again, just my

Mikeee · 07-25-2002, 10:11 PM

heh, it all depends. I had a domain that VERISIGN fucked up BIGTIME on. Somehow my databse showed that the domain was purchased via a wholesaler and they had control over it. When I came to renew, I wasnt allowed. This is after 2 years. The investigation and all the Bull Shit took well over 2 months of faxing emailing phone calls and escelations. It was too late. Someone registered the domain.

I sued. I won. I got my domain back.

HQ · 07-26-2002, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
My email about the attorney refers to the fact
if he thinks I am bluffing like so many do about
anything in life.

$1,000 would seperate you from the bluffers!

Gator · 07-26-2002, 07:31 AM

Joel,

I don't know WTF you are talking about. I don't have your domain.

The name I got, I did not get it to be an asshole and screw someone over. The name/site have been dead (404's) for well over 30 days after it expired. It might have been dead before it expired, I don't know. The guy wants it back and would probably rather compensate me than go through the expenses/hassle of the legal system. So I guess I will quote him a price and take it from there.

Wizzo · 07-26-2002, 07:54 AM

www.cyberworldmedia.tv is available

07-26-2002, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wizzo
www.cyberworldmedia.tv is available

Wahahaha

J.R. · 07-26-2002, 08:34 AM

Then its a pretty strange coincidence then. More then
just a simple similarity especially after every fact you named is
dead on with my issue at hand.

Not to mention comments to do certain things on this boad have been done on the site.

If it's not you then fine, best of luck. If it is, then
you should contact me asap.

Thanks,

sternyduke · 07-26-2002, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gator
Joel,

I don't know WTF you are talking about. I don't have your domain.

The name I got, I did not get it to be an asshole and screw someone over. The name/site have been dead (404's) for well over 30 days after it expired. It might have been dead before it expired, I don't know. The guy wants it back and would probably rather compensate me than go through the expenses/hassle of the legal system. So I guess I will quote him a price and take it from there.

why don't you just identify the domain gator?

and if it's not him, don't you think you owe him a better apology j.r. for your accusations?

UnseenWorld · 07-26-2002, 11:07 AM

If they lost it because someone at the registrar fucked up, they may have a case against THEM, but a case against YOU? I don't see how. WTF did YOU do wrong?

J.R. · 07-26-2002, 02:07 PM

I will surely say I am sorry once I am convinced..

at the moment, I am not.

Alky · 07-26-2002, 03:43 PM

you accused him without even knowing for sure it was him?

this happens online tons of times a day..

TheApostate · 07-26-2002, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
I will surely say I am sorry once I am convinced..

at the moment, I am not.

You seem to be convinced it is Gator that snatched the domain, what convinces you?

List the evidence.

vegasdude · 07-26-2002, 03:52 PM

i like snatching domains... !

Alky · 07-26-2002, 03:56 PM

i like snatch...

chodadog · 07-26-2002, 08:12 PM

How many domains are registered every day? Yet the one Gator got <i>must</i> have been JR's domain! It's just not possible that someone else registered it.

TFCash · 07-27-2002, 07:59 PM

Gator , what is the fucking domain name ?? If I have to read thur all this crap, at least you owe it to us to tell us the damn name now

Tim

J.R. · 07-27-2002, 10:51 PM

Please do, if it's not my former domain.. by all means
tell us what it is then!

If it is, then contact me otherwise you will be
hearing from our attorney's.

Whether we win or loose is irrelevant at the moment.

Gator · 07-29-2002, 05:08 PM

Joel,

I said I don't have your domain. Over 5,000 names expire every day.

The name is http://www.fantasyx.com

I offered to sell it back to the guy and he is probably going to take it back. There are thousands more names I can get so it's alright.

PuppetMaster · 07-29-2002, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
If the domain is owned by a legal US company
with a tradermark or incorporated business they can
force you to give it up, especially if they owned it before.

how do I know that, I called my attoreney in LA.

You want a fucking cookie or something? He said this was not a trademark domain.

07-25-2002, 07:50 PM	#1
Gator Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Don't live on GFY Posts: 1,119	Domain Dispute I registered a domain that was expired and went through the 30 day grace period. Now the person who had it registered before wants it back. They offered to consider buying it back or take legal action to get it back. This is not a trademark and I want to keep it for certain reasons. What should I do?

07-25-2002, 07:54 PM	#3
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	it's yours man, keep that shit they forgot so it's their own fault __________________ https://porncorporation.com

07-25-2002, 08:27 PM	#11
archer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,721	huh? what did i miss jr? didn't follow this part of the thread at all __________________ Looking to promote uncut cock? Check out Uncut Cash. It rocks.

07-26-2002, 07:31 AM	#31
Gator Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Don't live on GFY Posts: 1,119	Joel, I don't know WTF you are talking about. I don't have your domain. The name I got, I did not get it to be an asshole and screw someone over. The name/site have been dead (404's) for well over 30 days after it expired. It might have been dead before it expired, I don't know. The guy wants it back and would probably rather compensate me than go through the expenses/hassle of the legal system. So I guess I will quote him a price and take it from there. Last edited by Gator; 07-26-2002 at 07:48 AM..

07-26-2002, 07:54 AM	#32
Wizzo 2011 GFY Hall of Fame! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Back in Texas! Posts: 15,224	www.cyberworldmedia.tv is available __________________ Looking for Opportunity!

07-25-2002, 07:53 PM	#2
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	I had a guy do that once. One polite "fuck off" email got rid of him.

07-25-2002, 07:54 PM	#4
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	What's the domain name? ;) I'd ignore them and see what happens. We had someone write us a letter one time telling us that "due to a clerical error, we neglected to register this domain name, but already have a business plan, website design, etc etc. We're very sorry, but we are willing to re-imburse you the $70 for domain registration" We got a good laugh out of that one.. ;)

07-25-2002, 07:55 PM	#5
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	A swift "get fucked" should do the trick.

07-25-2002, 07:58 PM	#6
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	If the domain is owned by a legal US company with a tradermark or incorporated business they can force you to give it up, especially if they owned it before. how do I know that, I called my attoreney in LA.

07-25-2002, 08:02 PM	#7
lawpal Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Miami Posts: 824	they are pretty much fucked, unless they have a trademark or copyright claim if I were you I would put the site into use immediately. put something up make sure to put up some logos - something simple that you create that is original put a notation on the bottom of the page with something to the effect that thissite.com Copyright ? 2002 All Rights Reserved. thissite.com in any form whatsoever appearing on this site and throughout the internet are service marks of thissite.com Also, contact the registrar, and have them "lock" the registration to protect yourself. It is easy to do, and will save you from a headache in the future. If they give you a hard time get a lawyer.

07-25-2002, 08:12 PM	#9
Chris R Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 1,151	The law on this is not clear cut. For example: kathleen kennedy townsend (running for gov in MD) lost her bid to get domains with her name back: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...&notFound=true while Madonna wins. The difference? Madonna makes money off her name. Usually they need a trademark, but not always. If you want to know - call up Ari Goldberger. He is honest and will tell you the deal with the name you have. He practice is almost all domain law as far as I know. www.esqwire.com His fees are very reasonable and will let you know up front if you have a good claim to the name. I have probably gotten dozens of letters threatening me with lawsuit/udrp. Only one has followed through (pending UDRP action).

07-25-2002, 08:16 PM	#10
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Hey Gator.. Nice try.. I will see you in court now that I know you more or less grabbed our name up! www.cyberworldmedia.com visit my site.. www.wantboobs.com we are a legal trademarked and incorporated company and we will take you to court in order to block or take back this domain.. We have been using Cyberworldmedia.com since 2001.. plus we have business cards as proof as such. Contact my attorney Ken Braun in Los Angeles at 310-772-0100

07-25-2002, 08:29 PM	#12
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	CyberworldMedia.com is scheduled to come online in 153 days! when Jesus returns!

07-25-2002, 08:38 PM	#14
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	someone grabed the domain up after we had an error on renewing it on our end. pisses me off.. oh well, attorney's says it may be expensive but we have a good solid case since we have first claims through various protections under former and current new laws

07-25-2002, 09:04 PM	#16
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	there is more too it then just that..

07-25-2002, 09:06 PM	#17
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	The domain dispute system is fucked. You might as well roll a set of dice to find out if you'll win or lose in arbitration.

07-25-2002, 09:08 PM	#18
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	The big question, can they afford it..? I can afford the court costs... I would give them a few bucks out of courtesy, just to make them happy.

07-25-2002, 09:18 PM	#23
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	I offered to buy it back.. what do they have to loose they can contact me at [email protected]

07-25-2002, 09:35 PM	#26
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	LOL. I am always willing to work this out if he contacts me, My email about the attorney refers to the fact if he thinks I am bluffing like so many do about anything in life. The domain lapsed since it went to a friends domain that moved out of the usa. We did not know this domain had lappsed until today.

07-25-2002, 10:02 PM	#28
kronic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 964	Something to consider (imho) Gator, would be the reputation of the person who previously owned this domain. I don't know J.R. so I can't comment on him personally. However, if Shemp had a similiar problem to the one J.R. is claiming to have and you didn't give him that domain back (perhaps with some small compensation), my guess would be that you would quickly become one of the most despised webmasters in the business. Thus, any trades or favors you may have received from any of his connections would be non-existent. The money you may make from simply owning this domain would pale in comparison to what you might have made with him on your side. On the other hand, if this happened to someone with the reputation of an asswipe, perhaps nobody would give a shit(Although, everyone here has people they do business with). Do your research and see exactly who your dealing with and if it's really worth the trouble. The connections you make in this business will FAR outweigh ALMOST any domain that would become available. Now, if you were talking about sex.com, well then I'd tell him to go fuck himself just out of principal, because nobody that stupid should own that domain. Again, just my

07-25-2002, 10:11 PM	#29
Mikeee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 516	heh, it all depends. I had a domain that VERISIGN fucked up BIGTIME on. Somehow my databse showed that the domain was purchased via a wholesaler and they had control over it. When I came to renew, I wasnt allowed. This is after 2 years. The investigation and all the Bull Shit took well over 2 months of faxing emailing phone calls and escelations. It was too late. Someone registered the domain. I sued. I won. I got my domain back.

07-26-2002, 08:34 AM	#34
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Then its a pretty strange coincidence then. More then just a simple similarity especially after every fact you named is dead on with my issue at hand. Not to mention comments to do certain things on this boad have been done on the site. If it's not you then fine, best of luck. If it is, then you should contact me asap. Thanks,

07-26-2002, 11:07 AM	#36
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	If they lost it because someone at the registrar fucked up, they may have a case against THEM, but a case against YOU? I don't see how. WTF did YOU do wrong? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-26-2002, 02:07 PM	#37
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	I will surely say I am sorry once I am convinced.. at the moment, I am not.

07-26-2002, 03:43 PM	#38
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	you accused him without even knowing for sure it was him? this happens online tons of times a day..

07-26-2002, 03:52 PM	#40
vegasdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Royal Family Crew Posts: 3,649	i like snatching domains... !

07-26-2002, 03:56 PM	#41
Alky Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston Posts: 5,651	i like snatch...

07-26-2002, 08:12 PM	#42
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	How many domains are registered every day? Yet the one Gator got <i>must</i> have been JR's domain! It's just not possible that someone else registered it.

07-27-2002, 07:59 PM	#43
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	Gator , what is the fucking domain name ?? If I have to read thur all this crap, at least you owe it to us to tell us the damn name now Tim

07-27-2002, 10:51 PM	#44
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Please do, if it's not my former domain.. by all means tell us what it is then! If it is, then contact me otherwise you will be hearing from our attorney's. Whether we win or loose is irrelevant at the moment.

07-29-2002, 05:08 PM	#45
Gator Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Don't live on GFY Posts: 1,119	Joel, I said I don't have your domain. Over 5,000 names expire every day. The name is http://www.fantasyx.com I offered to sell it back to the guy and he is probably going to take it back. There are thousands more names I can get so it's alright.