Is a Worldsex/Al4a premium submit accounts a fake?

[jaromir]

WorldSex support email about my gallery (27. 12):



> Your gallery:
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Submitted at Dec 24
> Has been reviewed and approved to be listed at the archives.
> Before if we received a lot of galleries in the same category we could
> pick the best or most unique and had to delete the others. Although these
> deleted galleries were not always bad, the ones listed were simply better
> (ofcourse in our opinion).
> Now we can choose to list such a gallery directly in the archives instead
> of deleting it. This way you will still receive targetted traffic to your
> galleries as the archives get a decent share of traffic from the main page
> and search engines.



my reaction (27. 12.)



"
Hi,

may you please tell me, what i may do, to list my gallery not in the
archive, but in the normal listing?

What is wrong with my gallery?

THX for advice
"



Worldsex/Al4A not replied to this day..., so i writed other email 31. 12 to all WorldSex emails include the WhoIs:



"
Hi,

27. 12. 2006 i sent you email to the address gandalf at worldsex.com, why you listing my galleries mostly in the archives. You not respond to this day for
this email!

On the URL http://www.worldsex.com/between.html is writed:

"4. In case the gallery has been declined you will receive an exact decline
reason. This can help improve your listing chances."

Problem is that YOU DON't GIVING ME ANY REASONs!

I'm very frustrated, that i spent 70 euros on the my premium submit account,
i DON't see any traffic from the AL4A (only 203 hits today) and Worldsex (0
hits today), and more you violating constantly your own terms, and you DON'T
giving me the EXACT detailed reason (you giving me NO REASON) why you
listing my galleries not at the your standard page, but only on the
archives.

So, when you giving me no reason's i can't make my galleries better, and you
declining it again and again!!!

As i telled, i'm very frustrated by this your violating of the terms!

Not violate your terms, give me exact reason, why you not listed my galls
(URL is inlcuded in body of this email) and include this explanation to the
all your futures decline emails too.

If you will still violate terms, and you will not give me a exact decline
reasons, why you not listing me on the main gallery page, i will do refund
or chargeback for the my payment ammount!

My last galleries:
archive WorldSex listing: xxx
standard Al4A listing: yyy
arhive AL4A listing: zzz

Yours sincerely
"



again WorldSex not replied to this email.

After long time, WorldSex accept 31. 12 my first gallery, and i don't see any traffic:

My todays stats:
AL4A: 204 hits
WorldSex: 0 hits

so i writed 31. 12 email, when will be my gallery listed:



"
Hi,

many THX for listing i really appreciate it.

May i ask you, +- when will be my gallery published on the AL4A (I checked
it and now is not published, so must be some lattency between the approving
and publishing...).

Yours sincerely
"



but ... again no reply :D

Questions are:

1) Why AL4A/Worldsex constantly violating his own rules and don't tell exact denied reason, why he publishing galleries not in the standard gallery page, but on the some archive page, so i can't "repair" my galleries?

2) Does AL4A/Worldsex sending some traffic, when he approve gallery and list it in the standard listing, because i see big zero from the standard and from the archive listing too?

3) Why AL4A/Worldsex not responding for the all emails?

[Huggles]

Jaromir,



It is not their job to tell you. It's your job, as a successful webmaster, to figure these things out on your own. Al4a / WS does not need to tell you what they need to get listed. You need to figure that out on your own.


p.s. I have 3 accounts

[janosik]

Teraz Ta tu zjebu za gramatiku

[wyldblyss]

Personally I think they did give you a reason....there was nothing wrong with your gallery, it is just they had a lot of galleries to choose from in that niche and yours was not one of the ones chosen, but because it was good, they listed you in the archives.

My suggestions are:
1. Don't threaten them, they are not violating their terms of service. Doing so is NOT going to get more of your galleries listed.
2. It appears that the particular niche you are submitting to gets a ton of submissions, so try a lesser known niche and I'm sure you will get chosen more often.
3. Some places have a day, a week, and sometimes longer, before an *approved* gallery is listed.

As for the archives, I have not submitted to world sex for well over a year now and I have galleries in their archives that get daily traffic (several hundred hits a week) and even get the occasional sale

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Jaromir,



It is not their job to tell you. It's your job, as a successful webmaster, to figure these things out on your own. Al4a / WS does not need to tell you what they need to get listed. You need to figure that out on your own.


p.s. I have 3 accounts

mistake, your big mistake! read my post again!


I pay 70 EURO for this:

"
On the URL http://www.worldsex.com/between.html is writed:

"4. In case the gallery has been declined you will receive an exact decline
reason. This can help improve your listing chances."
"

so thay MUST tell me "exact decline reason", i payed for the premium account, because in the terms is "exact decline reason", do you understand, what is "exact decline reason"? It's the exact decline reason, and not the "we could pick the best or most unique and had to delete the others"

read again, what i posted, and read again WoldSex partner account terms!

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by janosik

Teraz Ta tu zjebu za gramatiku

we are in the english board, please speak english

[Jace]

Originally Posted by jaromir

mistake, your big mistake! read my post again!


I pay 70 EURO for this:

"
On the URL http://www.worldsex.com/between.html is writed:

"4. In case the gallery has been declined you will receive an exact decline
reason. This can help improve your listing chances."
"

so thay MUST tell me "exact decline reason", i payed for the premium account, because in the terms is "exact decline reason", do you understand, what is "exact decline reason"? It's the exact decline reason, and not the "we could pick the best or most unique and had to delete the others"

read again, what i posted, and read again WoldSex partner account terms!

it seems their "exact decline reason" was that there are too many fucking tgp submitters!

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by wyldblyss

Personally I think they did give you a reason....there was nothing wrong with your gallery, it is just they had a lot of galleries to choose from in that niche and yours was not one of the ones chosen, but because it was good, they listed you in the archives.

My suggestions are:
1. Don't threaten them, they are not violating their terms of service. Doing so is NOT going to get more of your galleries listed.
2. It appears that the particular niche you are submitting to gets a ton of submissions, so try a lesser known niche and I'm sure you will get chosen more often.
3. Some places have a day, a week, and sometimes longer, before an *approved* gallery is listed.

As for the archives, I have not submitted to world sex for well over a year now and I have galleries in their archives that get daily traffic (several hundred hits a week) and even get the occasional sale

THX for the reaction, but this normal/archive listing is small fake.

Normal listing is normal listing, and if thay will not list me in the normal listing, my opinion is, that thay must tell me exactly what is wrong with my gallery.

This is my opinion...

And simply all honest companies replies to the emails in the max. 24 hours business days period. Situation, when i need help and AL4/WorldSex support simply ignoring all my emails isn't good for my biz.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Jace

it seems their "exact decline reason" was that there are too many fucking tgp submitters!

so thay will see my refund, if he violating constanty own terms, i will refund the money and buy some more honest PA as is Richard-Realm and others...

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by janosik

Teraz Ta tu zjebu za gramatiku

[wielco]

I gues you suck at teh submitting

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by jaromir

THX for the reaction, but this normal/archive listing is small fake.

Normal listing is normal listing, and if thay will not list me in the normal listing, my opinion is, that thay must tell me exactly what is wrong with my gallery.

This is my opinion...

And simply all honest companies replies to the emails in the max. 24 hours business days period. Situation, when i need help and AL4/WorldSex support simply ignoring all my emails isn't good for my biz.

Dude,



Submitters in this business are like the content. You are the bottom of the totem pole and nobody cares if you disappear tomorrow. There are new submitters every day trying to submit shit quality galleries to WS/Al4A and the Hun. Just like there are new 18 year old runaway whores getting off the bus in L.A. every single day.

Nobody owes you a goddamn thing. Improve your gallery quality and make some friends in the business, those are the only ways to get ahead as a submitter.

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by jaromir

so thay will see my refund, if he violating constanty own terms, i will refund the money and buy some more honest PA as is Richard-Realm and others...

When they list you in the Archives, it means that your gallery was accepted. It is up to them where to list the gallery.

Their support sucks big time, but they will eventually put one or two of your galleries on the main page. At least that is what is happening to me. If you keep submitting every day the archive traffic will add up well.

To je fakt! To koukas :-)

[jaromir]

i see, that some people owe the WorldSex PA, may you please tell me, how long i take between the confirmation email and the listing (and sending of the traffic)?

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by jaromir

i see, that some people owe the WorldSex PA, may you please tell me, how long i take between the confirmation email and the listing (and sending of the traffic)?

Can be a few days, can be a couple weeks.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Dude,



Submitters in this business are like the content. You are the bottom of the totem pole and nobody cares if you disappear tomorrow. There are new submitters every day trying to submit shit quality galleries to WS/Al4A and the Hun. Just like there are new 18 year old runaway whores getting off the bus in L.A. every single day.

Nobody owes you a goddamn thing. Improve your gallery quality and make some friends in the business, those are the only ways to get ahead as a submitter.

THX for advice, i'm in the biz from 99 and i'm the full-time submitter, so i little undestand what i may do or what i may not to do (for example theHun listed me last time yesterday)

I'm only frustrated, that i pay for the some "more friendly submit process" and I received "this" standard robot kick-ass...

You have right i may make superb galls with small advertise, but question is, will i make money? I pay for the "service" which will tell me "hay guy, this is too much, do this and do this, and everything will be fine"

I don't need some long advice, i need only exactly what i payed for, i need descriptive comment for all rejected galls, which i pay...

It's too much, If i pay for something to want it?

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Can be a few days, can be a couple weeks.

AHA, so this may be the "problem" maybe my approved galls in the standard area and in the archive wasn't listed now, so i not see any traffic...

This little answer may SOLVE all my problems, if it's true!

I'm very frustrated, that i don't receive this very valuable answer from the WorldSex support.

If i will receive after few weeks bunch of additional traffic from the WorldSex and Al4A everything will be fine, because everything is only about the traffic...

[spermpie]

i never got a reply from them but many tgp owners act the same

but from time to time i get listed on main page and get 2 3 sales ...

[Jace]

man, threads like this make me wish firefox had a engrish to english translator built in

[toby466]

jaromir, jedna galerie nic neznamena. pokracuj dal a submituj dalsi - kazdy den jednu na WS nebo AL4. zhruba za 5-10 dni ti zacnou chodit emaily jestli jses approved, declined nebo v archives a po cca 10-20 dnech muzes ocekavat ze budes na index page kdyz dostanes approved email.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Can be a few days, can be a couple weeks.

May you please post some examples? Big THX.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Jace

man, threads like this make me wish firefox had a engrish to english translator built in

I'm speaking this "hun" english for more than 14 years, so it will not be a better sorry

I hope, that you will understand me (a little)...

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by toby466

jaromir, jedna galerie nic neznamena. pokracuj dal a submituj dalsi - kazdy den jednu na WS nebo AL4. zhruba za 5-10 dni ti zacnou chodit emaily jestli jses approved, declined nebo v archives a po cca 10-20 dnech muzes ocekavat ze budes na index page kdyz dostanes approved email.

10-20 days from the email or from the submit?

i received 2 archive and 2 normal listing

27. 12 AL4A - archive (from 24. 12)
29. 12. AL4a - normal (from 27. 12)
31. 12. WorldSex - archive (from 22. 12)
31. 12. AL4a - normal (from 29. 12)

so i may expecting the first (archive) listing 27 + (10..20) = 6. 1. - 16. 1. ?

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by jaromir

I pay for the "service" which will tell me "hay guy, this is too much, do this and do this, and everything will be fine"

Submitters are unimportant.


If you stop submitting, 10 more submitters will be there to take your place.


If I was a big site owner, I would hardly bother with telling you what is good or bad about your gallery when there are hundreds of other people trying to get listed every day. Just get used to this man, everyone has been told there is money in submitting. Think of a gold rush. 6 years ago you could find yourself a lonely creek somewhere, pan for gold, and reap the awards. Now think of it today. There are broker companies charing you to pan for gold, there are dozens of other people with pans on that same tiny creek now. There are people inspecting your pans to make sure they aren't too big, they are checking your boots to see if they are up to the standards of standing in their creek. You'll be LUCKY to be able to pan for gold for a couple days in any given week.


The days of easy gallery money are long over. Basically, get used to it until a better system of getting listed comes out.

[toby466]

You can expect index/archive listing in about 10-20 days after receiving approval email.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Huggles

Submitters are unimportant.


If you stop submitting, 10 more submitters will be there to take your place.


If I was a big site owner, I would hardly bother with telling you what is good or bad about your gallery when there are hundreds of other people trying to get listed every day. Just get used to this man, everyone has been told there is money in submitting. Think of a gold rush. 6 years ago you could find yourself a lonely creek somewhere, pan for gold, and reap the awards. Now think of it today. There are broker companies charing you to pan for gold, there are dozens of other people with pans on that same tiny creek now. There are people inspecting your pans to make sure they aren't too big, they are checking your boots to see if they are up to the standards of standing in their creek. You'll be LUCKY to be able to pan for gold for a couple days in any given week.


The days of easy gallery money are long over. Basically, get used to it until a better system of getting listed comes out.

nice story, but the right is, that this biz will be in the 2020 harded, than in this year, and we will be chating about the golden 2007 year with the 10 percent credit-card processing fees, 60 percents sponsors profit and bunch of the free traffic and cheap partner account and paid listings.

"If I was a big site owner,"
If you was big site owner, we are in the capitalism, so you may do, what you want, but if you will write in the your terms, that if I will buy your partner account, you will be wake me up each morning with hot cup of the chocolate i will wait each morning for this your service... ;)

and now i'm waiting for the WorldSex descriptive explanations..., i don't asking for anything more, that for the accomplishing of the own Worldsex rules... and for some little friendly support...

[edgeprod]

Is it the same people as AskJolene? If so, good fucking luck .. you're up shit's creek!

[Huggles]

Originally Posted by jaromir

nice story, but the right is, that this biz will be in the 2020 harded, than in this year, and we will be chating about the golden 2007 year with the 10 percent credit-card processing fees, 60 percents sponsors profit and bunch of the free traffic and cheap partner account and paid listings.

"If I was a big site owner,"
If you was big site owner, we are in the capitalism, so you may do, what you want, but if you will write in the your terms, that if I will buy your partner account, you will be wake me up each morning with hot cup of the chocolate i will wait each morning for this your service... ;)

and now i'm waiting for the WorldSex descriptive explanations..., i don't asking for anything more, that for the accomplishing of the own Worldsex rules... and for some little friendly support...

I don't know if Pierre still even checks any of those mails, but I briefly talked to him a year(?) ago and he was helpful. I don't know who reviews the galleries now. Pretty much as long as you have 4+ movies you have a good chance of getting listed.


In 2020 someone will just have 100 chinese working in 1 room submitting 30 galleries/day EACH and getting paid .50 cents per day. Brokers will take 30% of gallery spots, TGPs will charge 2k a day for a top spot, Incredibledollars will make a new site called "Sewer chicks" which feature girls getting cummed on and then swimming inside a sewer pipe while smiling, and Dirty Franck will have a gay cash program which will feature Brad M and Squishypimp in 20 giant black cock gangbang bukkake scenes.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by edgeprod

Is it the same people as AskJolene? If so, good fucking luck .. you're up shit's creek!

According to the WhoIss, both companies are from the NL, but from the other cities... maybe friends ;)

[Lee]

Jaromir, a listing in the archives isnt a decline hence no reason is necessary. A typical decline reason will be "I recently reviewed a similar gallery" or perhaps "your gallery loads slowly".

You can still make sales in the archives and its definately better than previously when it was a straight approval or decline. You will find they are in general quite fair with their listings and ensure that you get a certain percentage on the page, at least thats my experience. That percentage you get on usually more than cover the price of the pass.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Huggles

In 2020 someone will just have 100 chinese working in 1 room submitting 30 galleries/day EACH and getting paid .50 cents per day. Brokers will take 30% of gallery spots, TGPs will charge 2k a day for a top spot, Incredibledollars will make a new site called "Sewer chicks" which feature girls getting cummed on and then swimming inside a sewer pipe while smiling, and Dirty Franck will have a gay cash program which will feature Brad M and Squishypimp in 20 giant black cock gangbang bukkake scenes.

LOL nice vision, so the only one chance is to buy so much partner accounts, paid listings and traffic as is possible and make so many money, that in the 2020 I will work only for the fun

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Lee

Jaromir, a listing in the archives isnt a decline hence no reason is necessary. A typical decline reason will be "I recently reviewed a similar gallery" or perhaps "your gallery loads slowly".

You can still make sales in the archives and its definately better than previously when it was a straight approval or decline. You will find they are in general quite fair with their listings and ensure that you get a certain percentage on the page, at least thats my experience. That percentage you get on usually more than cover the price of the pass.

ok, so you telling me, that my 70 EUROs will make more money, and you are not alone...

i will trust you and wait for the traffic and others approvings

[Itchy]

Originally Posted by Huggles

In 2020 someone will just have 100 chinese working in 1 room submitting 30 galleries/day EACH and getting paid .50 cents per day. Brokers will take 30% of gallery spots, TGPs will charge 2k a day for a top spot, Incredibledollars will make a new site called "Sewer chicks" which feature girls getting cummed on and then swimming inside a sewer pipe while smiling, and Dirty Franck will have a gay cash program which will feature Brad M and Squishypimp in 20 giant black cock gangbang bukkake scenes.

[RawAlex]

The hardest thing with these premium accounts is that they are very oversold. There are only about 50 posts per day for new entries, and I suspect there are hundreds of accounts. The only way they can clear the backlog and not decline a gallery is "put you in the archive". Provided nobody complains and cancels, things are okay.

Without a limit to the number of premium accounts, and without that number being disclosed, it is hard to figure what the real value is for them.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

The hardest thing with these premium accounts is that they are very oversold. There are only about 50 posts per day for new entries, and I suspect there are hundreds of accounts. The only way they can clear the backlog and not decline a gallery is "put you in the archive". Provided nobody complains and cancels, things are okay.

Without a limit to the number of premium accounts, and without that number being disclosed, it is hard to figure what the real value is for them.

nice speculation

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by jaromir

After long time, WorldSex accept 31. 12 my first gallery, and i don't see any traffic:

My todays stats:
AL4A: 204 hits
WorldSex: 0 hits

Jaromir,

You're missing the point here. With a submit pass, you're paying for your galleries to be reviewed, not listed. Looks to me like you're galleries are being reviewed and rejected, so you are getting exactly what you paid for. If you want guaranteed listings, you need to pay a lot more than $70 Euros.

[fris]

buy a top listing, and stop crying

[Lee]

Originally Posted by jaromir

ok, so you telling me, that my 70 EUROs will make more money, and you are not alone...

i will trust you and wait for the traffic and others approvings

Yes, I think realistically you should be aiming for a 30-35% approval rate in my experience with the rest into the archives (the very occasional decline).

On 30-35% or 3 or 4 a month on both WS and Al4a if you cant make your money back and more on those volumes of traffic then you need to have a tweak or two. WS is a case of throw enough numbers at it and some will stick whereas Al4a has less but seems to be a higher quality. Also bear in mind that you can pick up sales on days 2,3 and 4 and the occasional one from the archive where the niches are filtered.

[Roald]

POst the particular gallery url and lets see what you submit ;)

[Paul Markham]

As far as I could see they gave you a reason. Use the info to improve what you're doing. Look at similar sites in your niche and see what they are accepting and putting above you.

Even me with my limited knowledge can see that.


PAs are only a tool, they get you reviewed and sometimes an excuse. But they are no substitute for skills, good galleries, good content - it's not a level playing field and good content is not so readily available - and a great sponsor.

I have none of the above, so please do not confuse my with anything else buy advice from a newbie.

[BradM]

I heard BradM and bukkake. Where do I sign?

[Decadawn]

Why don't you ask your neighbor Borat?

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Jaromir,

You're missing the point here. With a submit pass, you're paying for your galleries to be reviewed, not listed. Looks to me like you're galleries are being reviewed and rejected, so you are getting exactly what you paid for. If you want guaranteed listings, you need to pay a lot more than $70 Euros.

i'm not asking for the listing, i not payed for it
i'm asking for the declined reasons, which is exactly what i payed for

read my first post again, you lost the point...

i know, that garanted listing cost 500 euro per day or how much

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by QuaShe

POst the particular gallery url and lets see what you submit ;)

nono, my galleries worth shit :D, because it i'm making bank on it... !

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Lee

Yes, I think realistically you should be aiming for a 30-35% approval rate in my experience with the rest into the archives (the very occasional decline).

On 30-35% or 3 or 4 a month on both WS and Al4a if you cant make your money back and more on those volumes of traffic then you need to have a tweak or two. WS is a case of throw enough numbers at it and some will stick whereas Al4a has less but seems to be a higher quality. Also bear in mind that you can pick up sales on days 2,3 and 4 and the occasional one from the archive where the niches are filtered.

If the traffic will be half as good as from the theHun listing i will be completely satisfied

now i'm on the 3*approved and 2*archive listing, so my galls isnt as bad (the content definitely kick-ass)

THX for advice

[aico]

God have mercy on your soul.

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Fris

buy a top listing, and stop crying

i will start it in the 4/2007 now is time to collect some money on the paid partner accounts, when i will buy all of them, i will start buy whole of the Internet...

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As far as I could see they gave you a reason. Use the info to improve what you're doing. Look at similar sites in your niche and see what they are accepting and putting above you.

Even me with my limited knowledge can see that.


PAs are only a tool, they get you reviewed and sometimes an excuse. But they are no substitute for skills, good galleries, good content - it's not a level playing field and good content is not so readily available - and a great sponsor.

I have none of the above, so please do not confuse my with anything else buy advice from a newbie.

90 percent of the galls worth shit, my galleries are mainly based on the good content, when i see other galleries with not underlined links, which isnt blue i'm really sick, how this people may make any money?

yes good sponsor is main part of the biz, my focus isn't to do sign-up, i'm focusing on the goal to do as much rebills as is possible, and without good sponsor it isn't possible

[jaromir]

Originally Posted by aico

God have mercy on your soul.

my god loving me :D

[spacedog]

post the gallery url.. maybe the folks here will help you get a better spot