Everyone gets fucked in the multi-billion dollar business - GoFuckYourself.com

Quotealex · 12-25-2006, 06:33 PM

John T. Bone writes on www.johntbone.com: Most people get into porn because they think it is one big party and you get to fuck porn stars day and night. There is some truth in this analogy but the question is,"Is the fucking you're getting, worth the fucking you're getting?"

The first truth you need to know is that despite all the publicity to the contrary there is very little money actually circulating in the industry. Everybody owes everybody and not too many people are paying.

The industry was founded by Mafia and pimps who laid the ground rules we abide by today, Essentially the manufacture, called a distributor, finances a picture or cuts a distribution deal with an independent producer who finances the picture, that would be you!.

Once the picture is shot it goes to an editor who has to be paid. The Art Director creates the 'box' or DVD cover art and prepares it for the printer, he must be paid. The printer delivers the finished box or DVD insert, he has to be be paid. The edited movie goes to the Replicator who produces a pre-ordered amount of DVDs, these are then delivered to the Manufacturer, the replicator must be paid.

At this point you have the maximum amount of money invested in your product.So who can steal from you up to now?

1. The Editor. He has had total control of your camera masters and could have sold your footage to an internet company or another manufacture, either all of it or just one scene to be added to four other scenes stolen from other clients to make a different movie.

2. The Art Director has had control of your stills and could have sold them to an internet site, a cell phone content company or an agency that supplies single pictures to free magazines for strip club and phone sex ads.

3. The Printer. You order an pre-agreed number of inserts let us say 2,000. The printer delivers you 2300 and charges you for the 'over run' you have just bought 300 inserts you don't want and didn't order. Or he can print 4,000 inserts and sell 2,000 to another distributor who will buy one DVD from you duplicate it and sell 2,000 copies for a lower price than you can.

4. The Replicator. He has and maintains your replication master, he can run as many copies as he likes and needs only to duplicate your inserts which he has a stock of to also sell thousands of your movie for a lower price than you can.

5. The distributor. Even if he is honest his warehousemen may not be. A few years ago there was a network of warehousemen who ran an undercover distribution network selling movies to disreputable distributors and flea market vendors for pennies on the dollar. Though not as big a deal this continues today.

Now the company sales staff hit the phones and sell your movie. This is a whole new world of lies, deception and dishonesty. The competition for sales is so fierce a company lives or dies by it's sales force.

The majority of sales are made to distributors, called distributors, who do not manufacture movies but buy finished packaged movies from most of the Manufactures and subsequently resell the movies to store owners or other distributors who have not paid your distributor for goods he has already purchased from him and has been 'cut off'.

http://www.********.com/read.aspx?ID=20666 for the remaining text....

tony286 · 12-25-2006, 06:52 PM

Its a great article

Quotealex · 12-26-2006, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

Its a great article

I would say so too.

Hentaikid · 12-26-2006, 11:24 AM

Sounds kinda old fashioned...

NoComments · 12-26-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hentaikid

Sounds kinda old fashioned...

..and hes zero relation to Internet.

SteveLightspeed · 12-26-2006, 12:08 PM

Someone should write one for the internet side of the porn biz. Shaving sponsors, cheating affiliates, spyware thiefs, email spammers, billing scammers, password traders, members giving it all away on p2p networks, fake refunds and chargebacks, etc....

maxcarter101 · 12-26-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NoComments

..and hes zero relation to Internet.

Did you blow Jesus again today you Christian faggot?

jayeff · 12-26-2006, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Someone should write one for the internet side of the porn biz. Shaving sponsors, cheating affiliates, spyware thiefs, email spammers, billing scammers, password traders, members giving it all away on p2p networks, fake refunds and chargebacks, etc....

Or just produce a list of some of the biggest names in the business and say "See above".

Boring but simple...

pornguy · 12-26-2006, 12:36 PM

I think that he is a little off on some things.
But other than that it is interesting.

xenilk · 12-26-2006, 12:49 PM

Definitivly a good reading.

Mutt · 12-26-2006, 12:58 PM

as dirty as the Internet side of the biz is it doesn't hold a candle to the dirtbags of the hardcore video industry. as the guy says in his article - the business was founded by Italian and Jewish Mafia and is still pretty much ruled by the same crowd.

the Internet opened the doors to the porn industry to everybody.

NoComments · 12-26-2006, 01:00 PM

maxcarter101 ,
your opinion is very important to me,
I am looking forward to all your future posts.....

NOT!

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NoComments · 12-26-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Someone should write one for the internet side of the porn biz. Shaving sponsors, cheating affiliates, spyware thiefs, email spammers, billing scammers, password traders, members giving it all away on p2p networks, fake refunds and chargebacks, etc....

Do you need Luke Ford's number?

DaddyHalbucks · 12-26-2006, 01:03 PM

Looks like a great case for vertical integration.

wyldworx · 12-26-2006, 01:04 PM

Hmm, sounds like just another obstacle to get over. I dont mind so much, but I think your comment about the industry not doing to well, I have to disagree with.

TimBlaze · 12-26-2006, 01:10 PM

nice but doesnt appear to be relevant to the internet side

Barefootsies · 12-26-2006, 08:25 PM

interesting read

edgeprod · 12-26-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal

Most people get into porn because they think it is one big party and you get to fuck porn stars day and night.

.. isn't it? Maybe he's doing something wrong.

Vittorio · 12-26-2006, 08:48 PM

This was written in response to earlier blog entries by him about Damaged Productions: (www.johntbone.com/blog)

I got and email tonight from Joel at Homegrown Video asking for help, which I gave him. He directed me to his posting on a webmaster board. As our guys don't get out too much here it is.

Damaged Productions / Damaged Pictures, YOU OWE ME MONEY
You dare to release content of mine that you have not paid for, nor have any license to use, YET AGAIN? This is going to get ugly unless you deliver payment to my employers office in Irvine by the end of the week. Merry fucking Christmas.

Promises of payments that never arrive, fake photos of wire transfer paperwork that never get sent, empty promises...

I hope you win that AVN award you got nominated for so I can take it, you fucks. It's my goddamn content.
Joel is not a happy camper.

Jaytown · 12-26-2006, 09:08 PM

No relivance to cyber space

Vittorio · 12-26-2006, 09:46 PM

It went on, this time involving ME!! JohnTbone wrote:

"And then there is Damaged.

I certainly opened a can of worms the other day when I said if you need any help getting paid by them drop me an email.
Here is their latest victim.

Hey there,
Saw the recent posting about Homegrowns problems with Damaged. I had, and STILL have the same problems. It took a year, and $1700 to Lawyers and a Collection Agency to get the ball rolling. I'm STILL owed one final payment. They released 'Tony's Amateur's line' which is ALL my content, without EVER paying a dime. They are also selling my content as web content to websites, which is NOT allowed in the contract (and they STILL haven't paid in full so the contract STILL doesn't exist yet). Steve's a total scumbag and so is his father. I TOO was nominated for an AVN award (didn't win) last year without even knowing the line was released (Steve used his TXP Media as a front for Damaged). Anyway, anything you can do?? Tell him Vittorio from HotAm wants his money pronto or his Collection Agency Lawyers will rip him an new asshole."

12-25-2006, 06:33 PM	#1
Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	Everyone gets fucked in the multi-billion dollar business John T. Bone writes on www.johntbone.com: Most people get into porn because they think it is one big party and you get to fuck porn stars day and night. There is some truth in this analogy but the question is,"Is the fucking you're getting, worth the fucking you're getting?" The first truth you need to know is that despite all the publicity to the contrary there is very little money actually circulating in the industry. Everybody owes everybody and not too many people are paying. The industry was founded by Mafia and pimps who laid the ground rules we abide by today, Essentially the manufacture, called a distributor, finances a picture or cuts a distribution deal with an independent producer who finances the picture, that would be you!. Once the picture is shot it goes to an editor who has to be paid. The Art Director creates the 'box' or DVD cover art and prepares it for the printer, he must be paid. The printer delivers the finished box or DVD insert, he has to be be paid. The edited movie goes to the Replicator who produces a pre-ordered amount of DVDs, these are then delivered to the Manufacturer, the replicator must be paid. At this point you have the maximum amount of money invested in your product.So who can steal from you up to now? 1. The Editor. He has had total control of your camera masters and could have sold your footage to an internet company or another manufacture, either all of it or just one scene to be added to four other scenes stolen from other clients to make a different movie. 2. The Art Director has had control of your stills and could have sold them to an internet site, a cell phone content company or an agency that supplies single pictures to free magazines for strip club and phone sex ads. 3. The Printer. You order an pre-agreed number of inserts let us say 2,000. The printer delivers you 2300 and charges you for the 'over run' you have just bought 300 inserts you don't want and didn't order. Or he can print 4,000 inserts and sell 2,000 to another distributor who will buy one DVD from you duplicate it and sell 2,000 copies for a lower price than you can. 4. The Replicator. He has and maintains your replication master, he can run as many copies as he likes and needs only to duplicate your inserts which he has a stock of to also sell thousands of your movie for a lower price than you can. 5. The distributor. Even if he is honest his warehousemen may not be. A few years ago there was a network of warehousemen who ran an undercover distribution network selling movies to disreputable distributors and flea market vendors for pennies on the dollar. Though not as big a deal this continues today. Now the company sales staff hit the phones and sell your movie. This is a whole new world of lies, deception and dishonesty. The competition for sales is so fierce a company lives or dies by it's sales force. The majority of sales are made to distributors, called distributors, who do not manufacture movies but buy finished packaged movies from most of the Manufactures and subsequently resell the movies to store owners or other distributors who have not paid your distributor for goods he has already purchased from him and has been 'cut off'. http://www.********.com/read.aspx?ID=20666 for the remaining text....

12-26-2006, 12:08 PM	#6
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Someone should write one for the internet side of the porn biz. Shaving sponsors, cheating affiliates, spyware thiefs, email spammers, billing scammers, password traders, members giving it all away on p2p networks, fake refunds and chargebacks, etc.... __________________ Abra-cadabra! Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 12-26-2006 at 12:10 PM..

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	as dirty as the Internet side of the biz is it doesn't hold a candle to the dirtbags of the hardcore video industry. as the guy says in his article - the business was founded by Italian and Jewish Mafia and is still pretty much ruled by the same crowd. the Internet opened the doors to the porn industry to everybody. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-25-2006, 06:52 PM	#2
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Its a great article

12-26-2006, 11:24 AM	#4
Hentaikid Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,249	Sounds kinda old fashioned...

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wyldworx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: oz-trailer Posts: 5,144	Hmm, sounds like just another obstacle to get over. I dont mind so much, but I think your comment about the industry not doing to well, I have to disagree with.

12-26-2006, 01:10 PM	#16
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12-26-2006, 08:48 PM	#19
Vittorio Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,974	This was written in response to earlier blog entries by him about Damaged Productions: (www.johntbone.com/blog) I got and email tonight from Joel at Homegrown Video asking for help, which I gave him. He directed me to his posting on a webmaster board. As our guys don't get out too much here it is. Damaged Productions / Damaged Pictures, YOU OWE ME MONEY You dare to release content of mine that you have not paid for, nor have any license to use, YET AGAIN? This is going to get ugly unless you deliver payment to my employers office in Irvine by the end of the week. Merry fucking Christmas. Promises of payments that never arrive, fake photos of wire transfer paperwork that never get sent, empty promises... I hope you win that AVN award you got nominated for so I can take it, you fucks. It's my goddamn content. Joel is not a happy camper. __________________ 28 GIGS of Hardcore Content for $69 !!

12-26-2006, 09:08 PM	#20
Jaytown Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,056	No relivance to cyber space

12-26-2006, 09:46 PM	#21
Vittorio Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,974	It went on, this time involving ME!! JohnTbone wrote: "And then there is Damaged. I certainly opened a can of worms the other day when I said if you need any help getting paid by them drop me an email. Here is their latest victim. Hey there, Saw the recent posting about Homegrowns problems with Damaged. I had, and STILL have the same problems. It took a year, and $1700 to Lawyers and a Collection Agency to get the ball rolling. I'm STILL owed one final payment. They released 'Tony's Amateur's line' which is ALL my content, without EVER paying a dime. They are also selling my content as web content to websites, which is NOT allowed in the contract (and they STILL haven't paid in full so the contract STILL doesn't exist yet). Steve's a total scumbag and so is his father. I TOO was nominated for an AVN award (didn't win) last year without even knowing the line was released (Steve used his TXP Media as a front for Damaged). Anyway, anything you can do?? Tell him Vittorio from HotAm wants his money pronto or his Collection Agency Lawyers will rip him an new asshole." __________________ 28 GIGS of Hardcore Content for $69 !!