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Old 12-22-2006, 06:21 AM   #1
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CP reported to CCBill and they have done NOTHING!!

You read that subject correctly. CCBill was recently contacted with a report of one of the programs they have contracting for underage models to appear on their websites KNOWING that these girls are under the age of 18. An e mail was sent to [email protected] on Dec 14th 2006 and one sent to [email protected] on Dec 15th 2006. As of today they have taken no known action at all in regards to this exploitation of children.



Submitted to CCBill was this webarchive page;

*** UNDER NO CIRCUSMSTANCES SHOULD YOU POST SUCH LINKS ON GFY. LINK REMOVED BY ROCHARD ***

And a photo ID (government issued passport) of the model in question shows her birth date conclusively as 25 May 1988. You can do the math quickly and see that May 25th 1988 to Dec 2005 equals 17 years old. This was NOT a one time shoot; she did many for the company in question. CCBill was requested to let the person, who was giving them this information, know what steps they intended to take. To this date they have not bothered to reply to the e mailer.



One can only assume that CCBill has decided to look the other way or give the company in question a small slap on the hand for the abuse of impoverished underage models at their studios in Kiev. Eastern European girls do not have the same rights as American teens in CCBill’s eyes I guess.



Those of you lucky enough to win a trip to the Ukraine to ‘party’ with models make sure you bring a pack of condoms, a lawyer and the knowledge that you are probably about to fuck a girl that will make you a criminal in your home country.



If you are curious this same information has been passed along to the FBI office in Miami FL as well as the following organizations that are fighting child pornography;

asacp.org/report.php

reportchildporn.com/rcp/modules/newbb/

antichildporn.org/reportcp.html

secure.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/CybertipServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US

telefonoarcobaleno.org



This post, made on multiple boards is not a joke or an illegitimate attempt to bash a company. But an honest attempt to prevent the abuse and exploitation by a large adult company and the apparent lack of concern by the largest on line credit card processor in the world that is based in the US and governed by US Law. For all the talk about this business policing itself when CCBill was given the opportunity to address this themselves quietly, they turned their head and looked away and should be deeply ashamed of their company. Due to their lack of action I was forced to come forward and involve all of the above organizations and make this post on boards.



I imagine you will attack me, but if you do you need to ask yourself why are you choosing that action to take? This is not a defamatory post, but one made with the sole desire to end the abuse has been done in Kiev to this girl and possibly others and supported by paying members processed through CCBill. I am naming CCBill because it is uniquely responsible and is in a position to cut off the funding to the abusers immediately and they have been very vocal about how they police the sites using them as their billers. But when it comes down to the bottom line and cutting off some of their income CCBill appears to be quietly ignoring the most serious subject that faces this industry. They are hypocrites



The company responsible for this appears to just feel that the money they make allows them to do what they want with no respect for the law and their primary concerning being only the money they can make off of paying customers who have no idea that they are viewing illegal videos and pictures. In an industry that is so closely scrutinized this company has been allowed to conduct business in an unlawful and unethical way and CCBill has continued to accept payments made to them to the benefit of both companies and to the detriment of at least one and possibly more victims

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Old 12-22-2006, 06:25 AM   #2
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if what you say is true...i guess it's just a glitch in the system

don't believe ccbill would risk anything like that!
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Old 12-22-2006, 06:41 AM   #6
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Old 12-22-2006, 06:47 AM   #8
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Yes, I have a copy of the passport and sent it with the e mail to both CCBill e mails
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if what you say is true...i guess it's just a glitch in the system

don't believe ccbill would risk anything like that!
true.

I'd think dat CCB would be all over d'is.

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You read that subject correctly. CCBill was recently contacted with a report of one of the programs they have contracting for underage models to appear on their websites KNOWING that these girls are under the age of 18. An e mail was sent to [email protected] on Dec 14th 2006 and one sent to [email protected] on Dec 15th 2006. As of today they have taken no known action at all in regards to this exploitation of children.



Submitted to CCBill was this webarchive page;

*** UNDER NO CIRCUSMSTANCES SHOULD YOU POST SUCH LINKS ON GFY. LINK REMOVED BY ROCHARD ***

And a photo ID (government issued passport) of the model in question shows her birth date conclusively as 25 May 1988. You can do the math quickly and see that May 25th 1988 to Dec 2005 equals 17 years old. This was NOT a one time shoot; she did many for the company in question. CCBill was requested to let the person, who was giving them this information, know what steps they intended to take. To this date they have not bothered to reply to the e mailer.



One can only assume that CCBill has decided to look the other way or give the company in question a small slap on the hand for the abuse of impoverished underage models at their studios in Kiev. Eastern European girls do not have the same rights as American teens in CCBill’s eyes I guess.



Those of you lucky enough to win a trip to the Ukraine to ‘party’ with models make sure you bring a pack of condoms, a lawyer and the knowledge that you are probably about to fuck a girl that will make you a criminal in your home country.



If you are curious this same information has been passed along to the FBI office in Miami FL as well as the following organizations that are fighting child pornography;

asacp.org/report.php

reportchildporn.com/rcp/modules/newbb/

antichildporn.org/reportcp.html

secure.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/CybertipServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US

telefonoarcobaleno.org



This post, made on multiple boards is not a joke or an illegitimate attempt to bash a company. But an honest attempt to prevent the abuse and exploitation by a large adult company and the apparent lack of concern by the largest on line credit card processor in the world that is based in the US and governed by US Law. For all the talk about this business policing itself when CCBill was given the opportunity to address this themselves quietly, they turned their head and looked away and should be deeply ashamed of their company. Due to their lack of action I was forced to come forward and involve all of the above organizations and make this post on boards.



I imagine you will attack me, but if you do you need to ask yourself why are you choosing that action to take? This is not a defamatory post, but one made with the sole desire to end the abuse has been done in Kiev to this girl and possibly others and supported by paying members processed through CCBill. I am naming CCBill because it is uniquely responsible and is in a position to cut off the funding to the abusers immediately and they have been very vocal about how they police the sites using them as their billers. But when it comes down to the bottom line and cutting off some of their income CCBill appears to be quietly ignoring the most serious subject that faces this industry. They are hypocrites



The company responsible for this appears to just feel that the money they make allows them to do what they want with no respect for the law and their primary concerning being only the money they can make off of paying customers who have no idea that they are viewing illegal videos and pictures. In an industry that is so closely scrutinized this company has been allowed to conduct business in an unlawful and unethical way and CCBill has continued to accept payments made to them to the benefit of both companies and to the detriment of at least one and possibly more victims
If you could please forward this information to [email protected] we can send this information over to our policy review department and ensure that this is being looked into.

You can also send the information to me directly at [email protected] and I will make sure that this matter is looked into immediately.

[email protected] is the email address used to report spam and [email protected] goes to our customer support section. They may have been confused about what to do with such information.

Underage content of any kind is a violation of the CCBill AUP and is not taken lightly.
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If you could please forward this information to [email protected] we can send this information over to our policy review department and ensure that this is being looked into.

You can also send the information to me directly at [email protected] and I will make sure that this matter is looked into immediately.

[email protected] is the email address used to report spam and [email protected] goes to our customer support section. They may have been confused about what to do with such information.

Underage content of any kind is a violation of the CCBill AUP and is not taken lightly.

I will forward the e mail to you that I sent to [email protected] in a few minutes
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BoneJack thank you for your attention to this matter. The e mail has been sent to you and includes the models passport
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BoneJack thank you for your attention to this matter. The e mail has been sent to you and includes the models passport
I just checked my email and it doesn't look like I've received it. Could you please resend it to me at
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"Those of you lucky enough to win a trip to the Ukraine to ?party? with models make sure you bring a pack of condoms, a lawyer and the knowledge that you are probably about to fuck a girl that will make you a criminal in your home country."

Didn't Dieselaction have a contest like this?
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Didn't Dieselaction have a contest like this?

dieselaction has underage models????!???
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Didn't Dieselaction have a contest like this?
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Fucked up shit! Really hope your not talking about DA Please keep us updated with the process of this!
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Ah, damn, I've seen that girl on a MAJOR nude art site. If she is indeed underage then it's time to start pulling thumbs.
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Ah, damn, I've seen that girl on a MAJOR nude art site. If she is indeed underage then it's time to start pulling thumbs.
which one? I have alot of the nude art sites' gallerys' posted
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which one? I have alot of the nude art sites' gallerys' posted
I won't say anything yet since there's no way to verify the original poster's claims... he could be talking out of his ass. I have sent the relevant information to the webmaster.
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I have contacted Mark from CCBill by e mail and it appears as though the e mails I sent to them a week ago and several of the ones I sent yesterday did not actually make it to CCBill's inboxes. This could be due to a spam filter they may have in place and the fact that I used the term 'underage' in the subject line of the e mails in question.

Mark has assured me that they are investigating this matter and I feel confident that they will take the appropriate action when they conclude their investigation. I apologize for coming to the boards and the harsh words that I used in describing what I considered to be the lack of action on CCBills part not realizing that there could have been a problem with the e mails making it to them. I only discovered this possibility when several e mails I had sent on Dec 22 2006 did not arrive at their destinations.
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Okay, I have a question here... posting images of a 17 year old licking another girl's tits, flashing, and generally messing around is okay, but link to a site that has a 17 year old model on it isn't?

Earth to double standard... come in double standard!
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Okay, I have a question here... posting images of a 17 year old licking another girl's tits, flashing, and generally messing around is okay, but link to a site that has a 17 year old model on it isn't?

Earth to double standard... come in double standard!
OK, maybe it was not really smart of him to post that link in a forum, but we both know that it has been posted as an evidence, so people don't go and scream "get the f**k out, another GFY drama thread" instantly.

And btw, would be nice to have someone from Dieselaction step in here and say something about these serious reproaches! Sould Rebel??
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CCBill would NOT just ignore this shit.. They would never do this intentionally.. and I am sure the with ensure whoever is responsible takes a beating and rightly so.
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Don't be so quick to condemn a program before you have 100% solid proof. I have seen her passport and it says she was born in 1986.
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This is a bad situation, there is no excuse for CP, but
just a quick question... why didn't you just call CCbill
before posting here?

I'm sure Mike over @ CCbill is on top of this , now that he is aware of it.
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You read that subject correctly. CCBill was recently contacted with a report of one of the programs they have contracting for underage models to appear on their websites KNOWING that these girls are under the age of 18. An e mail was sent to [email protected] on Dec 14th 2006 and one sent to [email protected] on Dec 15th 2006. As of today they have taken no known action at all in regards to this exploitation of children.



Submitted to CCBill was this webarchive page;

*** UNDER NO CIRCUSMSTANCES SHOULD YOU POST SUCH LINKS ON GFY. LINK REMOVED BY ROCHARD ***

And a photo ID (government issued passport) of the model in question shows her birth date conclusively as 25 May 1988. You can do the math quickly and see that May 25th 1988 to Dec 2005 equals 17 years old. This was NOT a one time shoot; she did many for the company in question. CCBill was requested to let the person, who was giving them this information, know what steps they intended to take. To this date they have not bothered to reply to the e mailer.



One can only assume that CCBill has decided to look the other way or give the company in question a small slap on the hand for the abuse of impoverished underage models at their studios in Kiev. Eastern European girls do not have the same rights as American teens in CCBill’s eyes I guess.



Those of you lucky enough to win a trip to the Ukraine to ‘party’ with models make sure you bring a pack of condoms, a lawyer and the knowledge that you are probably about to fuck a girl that will make you a criminal in your home country.



If you are curious this same information has been passed along to the FBI office in Miami FL as well as the following organizations that are fighting child pornography;

asacp.org/report.php

reportchildporn.com/rcp/modules/newbb/

antichildporn.org/reportcp.html

secure.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/CybertipServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US

telefonoarcobaleno.org



This post, made on multiple boards is not a joke or an illegitimate attempt to bash a company. But an honest attempt to prevent the abuse and exploitation by a large adult company and the apparent lack of concern by the largest on line credit card processor in the world that is based in the US and governed by US Law. For all the talk about this business policing itself when CCBill was given the opportunity to address this themselves quietly, they turned their head and looked away and should be deeply ashamed of their company. Due to their lack of action I was forced to come forward and involve all of the above organizations and make this post on boards.



I imagine you will attack me, but if you do you need to ask yourself why are you choosing that action to take? This is not a defamatory post, but one made with the sole desire to end the abuse has been done in Kiev to this girl and possibly others and supported by paying members processed through CCBill. I am naming CCBill because it is uniquely responsible and is in a position to cut off the funding to the abusers immediately and they have been very vocal about how they police the sites using them as their billers. But when it comes down to the bottom line and cutting off some of their income CCBill appears to be quietly ignoring the most serious subject that faces this industry. They are hypocrites



The company responsible for this appears to just feel that the money they make allows them to do what they want with no respect for the law and their primary concerning being only the money they can make off of paying customers who have no idea that they are viewing illegal videos and pictures. In an industry that is so closely scrutinized this company has been allowed to conduct business in an unlawful and unethical way and CCBill has continued to accept payments made to them to the benefit of both companies and to the detriment of at least one and possibly more victims



17 years old = CP ?

Americans are crazy.


I agree that she is underage (A few months) and that it is not legal in the US, but calling this child porn is stupid.

17years old - 4 months is child porn and 18 years old + 1 month = the hottest ponr star in the industry ?

You people are hyprocites.

I would never have underage models. But calling CP on a 17 YO model is just plain stupid.

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Damned whinging and whining GFY idiots... Stay the fuck out of CCBill's face.

Don't assume folks are doing nothing. If you want to report CP - do it to a relevant authority, then close your mouth and shut the fuck up and stay the hell out of the issue.
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Did ya ever think of picking up the phone and calling, before posting on an industry board?

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Old 12-23-2006, 10:11 AM   #38
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I think that I would have placed a call to ccbill or asked for a rep here, before starting a thread like this.
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Old 12-23-2006, 10:18 AM   #39
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17 years old = CP ?

Americans are crazy.


I agree that she is underage (A few months) and that it is not legal in the US, but calling this child porn is stupid.

17years old - 4 months is child porn and 18 years old + 1 month = the hottest ponr star in the industry ?

You people are hyprocites.

I would never have underage models. But calling CP on a 17 YO model is just plain stupid.

I tend to agree.. funny how people are all over that miss USA nude pics and she was 17 yet no-one cares about that.

17 is wrong to have on a adult site, but its no where near cp.
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Old 12-23-2006, 11:06 AM   #40
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Old 12-23-2006, 11:12 AM   #41
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I have contacted Mark from CCBill by e mail and it appears as though the e mails I sent to them a week ago and several of the ones I sent yesterday did not actually make it to CCBill's inboxes. This could be due to a spam filter they may have in place and the fact that I used the term 'underage' in the subject line of the e mails in question.
Sucks that you jumped to conclusions and dragged them through the mud. Glad you apologized, though.

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I think that I would have placed a call to ccbill or asked for a rep here, before starting a thread like this.


If they're at directNIC, he can just take it up with them.
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I tend to agree.. funny how people are all over that miss USA nude pics and she was 17 yet no-one cares about that.

17 is wrong to have on a adult site, but its no where near cp.
But getting a 17 year old drunk (she couldn't legally buy those drinks herself), taking pictures of her licking another chick's naked breast and posting links to those pics on an adult site is OK.

Gotcha.

So how low are we going to go? If 17's OK, then is 16 OK?

And yes, I know a PR company has now said she was 19, but the chick said she was 17 and her lawyer said "5 years ago, when she was 17". I tend to believe a girl and her attorney know more about her age than a PR firm.
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But getting a 17 year old drunk (she couldn't legally buy those drinks herself), taking pictures of her licking another chick's naked breast and posting links to those pics on an adult site is OK.

Gotcha.

So how low are we going to go? If 17's OK, then is 16 OK?

And yes, I know a PR company has now said she was 19, but the chick said she was 17 and her lawyer said "5 years ago, when she was 17". I tend to believe a girl and her attorney know more about her age than a PR firm.
I think you missed the point entirely...
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I think you missed the point entirely...
I think the point is that there are people who think it's OK to get a 17 year old drunk, take pictures of her licking another girl's naked boobs and posting links from an adult website. There really is no clearer point.
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I think the point is that there are people who think it's OK to get a 17 year old drunk, take pictures of her licking another girl's naked boobs and posting links from an adult website. There really is no clearer point.
Umm yea that's what I was saying.. so why are you arguing with me?
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