Considering the title he chose for the thread, he already knows this :1orglaugh

59% is not 80%

The screencap was not linked in Firefox.

There was no ccbill linking code to copy/paste.

I am talking about the logic place for this, the "Sites List", you may be talking about somewhere else.

I was the one who pointed it out, and I wouldn't have if the image was clickable. Make sense?

Considering MC only makes up 26%, that's not a far cry from limiting your market share by 80%, and I haven't looked at exact figures since the IPSP regime was introduced. Were you even around back then? :upsidedow

he was probably 14 or so

Spacedog, STFU. Fucking look at this thread. The ONLY person agreeing with you is you. And we all know you arent the brightest in the family. You are discussing with people who have more experience than you. I suggest you listen to them. Nobody is just randomly bashing you. They are telling you what to do but you refuse to fucking listen. Fuck youre annoying.

I understand the importance of it all, however, i need to contend without it for the time being. Should I not make any effort solely because some purists don't agree with it? Everyone has a choice. It is what it is.. nothing's going to change what's already been done.

God I hate agreeing with Franck. :winkwink:

What you do is promote it yourself and build a small membership base. Then go from there.

The worst thing to do is bring something that isn't up to par or even complete to GFY and ask for opinions and advice. If any one person here knows this, I would have expected that person to have been you.

You're on crack.
Who the fuck said I was not listening?

I already know I need visa,,. this was already pointed out in the other thread.
I never said I was not going to have it., so how the fuck am I not listening you fucking twink..
i already made the damn thread, so, because the scrawny dutch twink says I'm not listening to the folks who said i should have waited til having visa, i should just hop into my fucking magic time machine & go back & erase the thread because this fucking twink is so into everyone elses affairs,,,

I do what I do & that's it,, if you don't like it, too fucking bad :321GFY
I am making an effort here doing the best i can with the resources I have available to me.. You have no right to make shit into something it is not & never was..

I am not disagreeing with anyone here at all about getting visa. I just can not do it right now. Did you even fucking read this thread at all.. how many fucking times & how many ways do I need to explain to you.

This is what's wrong with this business. I thought I had seen it all. You're starting a reseller "program" and can't afford the 750 dollars to register a site with visa?

You are destined to fail. You cannot salvage this "program". Trying to get traffic without having adequate processing in place, especially as a revshare program, will result in any webmaster avoiding you like the plague because it demonstrates you have no business plan or even basic understanding of this business.

There really is no justification for this. This isn't an oversight, coding error, or premature release of a product. It's a fundamental fuck up. No one will ever send you traffic. This is a business.

you ARE deceiving people by not stating it VERY up front that you don't have VISA....VISA is an online STANDARD, so by not offering it and causing people to lose sales because you are too broke to pay for the fee, is deceitful not to tell those people up front that you don't have it

this is porn comedy at its finest.

I am promoting it myself, but I figured I'd make this post to make things happen faster.. & you're right, but I got anxious..

this is what happens when uneducated idiot teenagers think they can be in the porn business and make millions of dollars

Here in my shop today, I processed 10 CC transactions. 100% of them were Visa.

Just food for thought.

you know, that graphic I posted above was for overall credit card usage....I would venture to guess that visa is even higher of a percentage in the online porn world

2bet needs to put this on gfydrama.com, this thread fucking rocks

Like all the other ccbill programs without it have it clearly pointed out, huh..

like all the other ccbill programs that accept phone payments but don't payout on them, huh.. they have it all clearly put out there.,,

so, now you claim i am intentionally & willfully trying to decieve people? hmm.. are you?

For christs sake, shit's only been up for a few days here.. is it ok with you that I adapt & improve on things as I recieve feedback, hmm.. Do I need your damn permission? Do i have your permission to do it now?

on another note, only way to get massive amounts of feedback is to put it out there in the open so all the sharks can come & publically scrutinize every flaw they find.

I know not having visa is hurting sales, but, hey.. I can't undo the thread :1orglaugh

I never once said I was not getting it,, always planned on having it.. just don't have it right now.. hey.. kinda too late to delay making a thread.. kinda too late to not launch.. kinda too late to not accept affiliates..

these people think I am arguing with them about getting visa when I never once was refuting it..

Nobody here needs to be trying to convince me to get visa,, I never once denied it or argued about it,, but the idiots like franck want to make themselves look cool & try to make it look like that..

I've never heard of you before. What programs do you run or are involved with?

Spacedog?

http://www.jrj-socrates.com/Cartoon%.../Goofy_406.gif

jace run http://www.tabithastoybox.net

she looks like a tranny, but hey that's not my biz. :1orglaugh

omfg, serge, is that you?

oh boy, fun times, now the trolls are going to start ripping into me...LOL..I am loving it hahahaha

Spacedog, I like you and your posts. I know you get a lot of shit from people, but you're one of the few guys here who actually asks questions and opens business related threads. I know that people will hate on anything you do, but some people are making very good posts that you should really think about. I'll give you my 2 cents.

Visa is essential to your program. We can argue whether it's 59%, 80%, or even 5%, it doesn't matter. Any percent of surfers that can't pay to join your site will hurt your conversion ratio. Even 1% increase in conversion rates can mean one sale for every 100 clicks you send a sponsor. It is why the best sponsors have cascaded billing, uber-fast speeds, and offer every payment option known to man. Every bit of traffic you receive is valuable, and you should be doing everything in your power to maximize it to the fullest for your affiliates.

Now the biggest factor is that your affiliates conversion ratios will suck. Sure you'll get some sales, make enough to get Visa, but you'll also kill the relationships of your first batch of affiliates. Is that $750 worth losing potentially long term affiliates and building a negative reputation as a program that doesn't convert? Regardless of what you say, not having Visa as a billing option on your site will signifigantly hurt your ratios. It will most likely double them.

So what I'm saying is that you have only one chance to make a first impression. Think of your time as an affiliate and how you'd react to signing up for a program that didn't convert. I give a sponsor a week or so, if I see nothing I like, they are never used again. So beg, borrow, or just wait till you have the money to get Visa. Heck, take a cash advance on your CC, get a title loan on your car, whatever you have to do. But don't fuck over your first set of affiliates to make a few bucks. If you're in this for the long haul, it's not worth hurting your reputation like this amongst new and potential affiliates.

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...thastoybox.net
I don't care about your opinion. Please don't interrupt my posts again.

ROFL....um...ok...you just pasted an alexa graph of a site that I don't update anymore...haha...great

WOW, THAT IS SOME GREAT INVESTIGATIVE WORK!

jesus, when is GFY going to have some intelligent trolls again? I miss getting bashed in a intelligent manners, the new breed of trolls is so worthless

holy shit, I just realized I am internet fighting with the same person that internet fights with peaches

connectz>ignore

you posted your affiliation with nscash.com. That is the site they promote.

Good luck to you.

ya, but the problem is what if you have 5 webmasters that each send you 10 000 uniques (50k total) and only 1 or 2 people out of each 10K has something other than a visa? 50% or 80% of 0 is still 0. In order for anyone to get at least 15 joins they will have to send 100K+ uniques. That's where the problem is. No one here is saying that your sites suck.

What you need to do, and it was mentioned in this thread, is send traffic of your own to your site(s), get a small member base and use the money to get visa approval. After that you launch with a deal like this (80%) and I will guarantee that you would have many new affiliates join. Why? Because now they feel that they are not throwing their traffic away. Why would someone send you 1000's of hits and make almost nothing when they are making 100's of dollars or much more with the same traffic to another sponsor? That would not be financially wise.

Also, without visa whatever affiliate you manage to get will constantly see extremely shitty ratios (1:2000+) and drop you never to return. So, in the end, YOU lose. You don't want that, do you? You put your money into this and you want to make more money from it, right? Do the right thing and get visa before launching even for beta testing. trust me man. It will be much better for you this way.

Lets stop giving him tips. Fuck him. He will find out the hard way.

I know you plan on getting Visa so that's not this issue, and it's to late to stop things, but you can always change things :)

good luck with actually doing something instead of sigwhoring, surfing and complaining.

53.6%, actually. to the tune of just under a trillion dollars in 2004.

so take all your ratios on sites you send to and multiply them by 0.464. now you have what you're doing to affiliates.

it's like he's the first program who's ever started off without visa approval - jesus christ .....

Let me point out that just because a certain percentage of transactions, according to some reports, are visa, that does not necessarily mean that you lose that % of your sales right off the bat…

If you don’t have a visa card, you may still have/use a mastercard/jcb/discover card, etc….+ most people pay their credit card bills through their bank account, so you may be also open to billing them using an online check

Good luck with the release spacedog

they just like busting my balls cuz they all love me & want to see me do well :thumbsup

Funniest. Thread. In 2006.

:1orglaugh