spacedog

Obviously the people like Franck & the other nothing but haters & shit talkers haven't read the other thread, nor my post in this thread regarding visa.

It's nice of these kind of posters to conveniently leave out very important facts.


Here's my response..

A. The program is in beta. I will be acquring visa approval AFTER beta phase is complete.



Franck, nobody is telling you that you have to join.. If you don't like it then don't fucking sign up. Seems like alot of these assholes make it their lifes goal to sabotage everything I do & point out flaws in a negative manner. Take notice in the manner of how they do it repeatedly & have no other legitimate purpose on this forum other than to fling mud, talk shit, slander & sabotage peoples efforts & hard work.


You want to make a point, you want to offer advice, or make criticism, that's fucking fine, & very welcome, but the manner & the tone you conduct yourselves with are moronic.. You're children really, & if I ever dealt with you in person with that tone, I'd laugh in your fucking face & walk away from you.. Nobody could ever take someone serious who conducts themselves like that.


How stupid of franck to assume something as stupid as 10 sets of zipcontent when everyone can clearly see the site advertises over 40 models, lol... hmm.. pretty hard to do this with 10 sets, don't you think? even counting different girls/sets on the tour is more than 10.. Better yet, not one single image came from zipcontent, lol.....

If you really need to know, the content comes from several providers.

And to get more to the point.. yes, I am offering 80% on sales after the first 15. Why? because anyone capable of sending 15 sales deserves to earn more.

Why only after 15 sales? Because it is not profitable to payout 80% to someone who may only send a single sale. Because I need the initial sales to raise re-investment capital, and because I figured I'd do some sort of promo to help pick things up a bit..


I'm not out here bullshitting anyone.. you don't see me here boasting how great & hunky dory everything is.. you don't see me here telling you you're gonna get rich, or have fantastic ratios..

I am a one person shop.. I work hard, I am motivated, I am determined, & I will keep doing it no matter how hard the sharks try to eat me alive, you just can not kill what can not die!!

You can either work with me, or continue to work against me, but mark my words, you continue to battle against me, you're building yourself a very strong adversary. Keep in mind that I have long term plans and goals & also bear in mind that I plan to grow & i will never stop.. What will you say then?


Also, more to the point.. Franck & all the other sharks.. have't you fucking noticed that the site's only been active for a few days.. How the fuck would you know wether or not if I intend to have visa or not....

here's something you can answer franck.. I offered payouts on the phone sales.. several of the programs out there pay you NOTHING on the phone sales.. Why aren't you bitching about it in their threads.

Dirty F

Blah blah...whatever dude, go ahead, bury your head in the sand watch how your launch will totally fail, piss of affiliates and fuck things up bad.
Dont take anything of what i said seriously, ignore it and do it your way. I dont give a shit if you fail.

spacedog

Yea whatever..

You never had any intentions of trying to help.. your only goal is to sabotage me & act like the asshole you're known for.

You conveniently took advantage of the fact that I do not currently have visa approval & used this as an opportunity to take shots at me, knowing full well from this thread & the other threads that I do intend to apply visa


Piss off affiliates? How? Am I hiding anything? Am I being deceptive with them? I think I've been very up front with people.
matter of fact, I have taking the visa issue into consideration & I have reviewed several other threads about it & I am fully aware of the facts.

Sure I very much appreciate peoples feedback & I do listen & apply feedback into positive change.. It is not your ideas that are wrong, it is the manner in which you apply them.

Fail that's not an option.


hey.. thanks for making this thread into drama.. I just scored some more affiliates

Dirty F

I wouldnt have been this negative if you opened a thread asking for suggestions and maybe some people who want to test the site for you etc but you come here acting like a big program (we have gone crazy blah blah) while your shit sucks.

If you did the first people wouldve helped you, told you what to and what not to do and maybe in 2 months or so you couldve started this exact same thread and the replies wouldve been way fucking better. The only people posting good deal are the postwhores and clueless surfers. Read this thread again and you might find out what im talking about.

spacedog

Uh,, you missed that thread.. and I launched now so I can have everything in place two months from now when the exclusive solo girls site comes out in february..
and the visa application should already be approved by then

jact

Personally, I think you're shooting yourself in the foot by not getting the Visa before trying to beta it to affiliates, but it's your business.

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spacedog

yeah, it has its drawbacks, but I figured I'd launch site first so any incoming revenue can be applied to acquiring visa approval as I was not in a position to get it as I was eager to get going although I've exhausted my capital.

I figured that launching & having some sort of promo would give it a boost then I can apply the revenue into visa.

Jace

I wonder how many affiliates are sending him traffic not realizing he doesn't accept Visa

that seems like something an honest person would make VERY clear up front

spacedog

This is not the first thread about my program. This issue has come up before in other threads & I thought it was a well known fact that I do not have visa approval. I have seen many programs when first starting up that did not have it. Also, it is obvious isn't it.. One only has to check the join forms



on another note.. I wonder how many people are sending traffic to hundreds of nameless CCbill billed sites that don't know that they're not getting paid on phone sales.. I chose & elected to pay people on those sales unlike others that pay $0 on them..

jact

jace has a very good point...


Take a loan from the mob if you have to, if affiliates are signing up and not realizing that you're leaving, what, 80% of their traffic on the table, wasted... You may have some upset people.

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jact

Until the onset of this thread, your program site did not link to your site, most webmasters don't read minds.

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Jace

does it say it directly on your program site? if not you are deceiving people

not everyone reads every single thread on the forums

spacedog

that's not correct. There is a screencap on the mainpage that has always been linked to the paysite since day one.

the screencap on list of sites has always been linked.. someone commented about the text not being linked, however, the screencap image always was linked, as well as link code in promo was available for anyone to check out by grabbing the link.

jact

I clicked on said image several times after you said it was linked, and in fact there was no link either in the text or on the screencap.

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jact

Good luck with your program.

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candyflip

There isn't really a Visa application. You send them the cash and they approve you...so long as your site isn't CP, Shit or Incest. When the majority of CC sales are Visa based, people ARE wasting traffic by sending it to you. 80% payout won't make up for the loss of not being able to process Visa.

Yeah, Franck might seem like an ass to some...but he's right on with this one. Everyone knows this, but it seems like you don't understand or don't want to understand. I really don't think he was trying to be an ass. To me it seems like he was offering constructive criticism.

I'd take what everyone here has said to you into consideration. From experience I can tell you that spending the $750 for Visa approval is the best thing you can do for your paysite. I tried to put off the Visa for a little bit while testing and sending my own traffic to my own sites and it was a total waste.

Add to that the fact that potential affiliates look at NOT having Visa as doing things on the cheap. Revshare is a partnership and being able to process all CCs is part of your end of the bargain.

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spacedog

are you serious.

Show me one single program that has it in their tos which payment methods they do or do not accept?

I am not the first, nor will I be the last person whom has launched a site without visa.

I didn't know I was required to have it on my tos to please the purists & theorists out there who throw random made up statistics such as "visa accounts for 80% of traffic/sales.." etc, etc.,,

What makes one claim 80% of the worlds porn traffic uses visa for paying for a membership?


From what I've been told by some people whom operate paysites, Visa has the highest charge back ratio, Visa transactions are declined at a higher rate, etc.


lol @ 80% of traffic uses visa,..

spacedog

that's not true.. the screencap has always been linked. right there on the main page. The second screencap was not linked for the first day.

In my initial thread, the link to site was provided in the thread too.

jact

I'm not going to argue with you, I don't know the exact figures, but I do know that MC is a very low % of the charges...

Hey, since you seem to know everything and everyone else knows nothing, can I hire you to do my job for me? You'd make the perfect replacement.

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artman

isnt it like 80% of ccs out there are visa?

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You're right, I'm lying to you, I was lying to you in my earlier posts in the thread and I continue to lie to you now. It profits me to lie to you, how, I don't know.. But I'm sure it must, since I'm lying to you.

Man, you're a real nutjob.

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spacedog

yeah, no shit.. I understand all this & I do know.. I am not trying to be difficult here, but no one is reading me right here.. I don't have the money ok.. I don't have the $750 & I made this thread to get the damn $750 by making sales to the damn site.. dosen't anyone get it.

Jace

jact

I get it, you aren't ready to launch or run a program. Come back when you have backing.

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jact

You're lying too, jace.

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Jace

if you do not have the money to start a site/program, why didn't you just stick to promoting yourself while in "beta" and not open it to public?

Jace

you should have seen how long it took me to photoshop that graphic and then convince acnielsen.com to let me host it on their servers

spacedog

well, it is true.. the screencap on the mainpage has always been linked since day one. Sure the second screencap on sites page was not linked initially til someone pointed it out, but the very first page has a screencap & it always has been linked, as well as there being the ccbill linking code for anyone to paste into their browser

jact

I know bro, you got skills! Voodoo mind control or some shit too!

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Jace

spacedog, you are a total nutjob

candyflip

Considering the title he chose for the thread, he already knows this

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spacedog

59% is not 80%

jact

The screencap was not linked in Firefox.

There was no ccbill linking code to copy/paste.

I am talking about the logic place for this, the "Sites List", you may be talking about somewhere else.

I was the one who pointed it out, and I wouldn't have if the image was clickable. Make sense?

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jact

Considering MC only makes up 26%, that's not a far cry from limiting your market share by 80%, and I haven't looked at exact figures since the IPSP regime was introduced. Were you even around back then?

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Jace

he was probably 14 or so

Dirty F

Spacedog, STFU. Fucking look at this thread. The ONLY person agreeing with you is you. And we all know you arent the brightest in the family. You are discussing with people who have more experience than you. I suggest you listen to them. Nobody is just randomly bashing you. They are telling you what to do but you refuse to fucking listen. Fuck youre annoying.

spacedog

I understand the importance of it all, however, i need to contend without it for the time being. Should I not make any effort solely because some purists don't agree with it? Everyone has a choice. It is what it is.. nothing's going to change what's already been done.

jact

God I hate agreeing with Franck.

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candyflip

What you do is promote it yourself and build a small membership base. Then go from there.

The worst thing to do is bring something that isn't up to par or even complete to GFY and ask for opinions and advice. If any one person here knows this, I would have expected that person to have been you.

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spacedog

You're on crack.
Who the fuck said I was not listening?

I already know I need visa,,. this was already pointed out in the other thread.
I never said I was not going to have it., so how the fuck am I not listening you fucking twink..
i already made the damn thread, so, because the scrawny dutch twink says I'm not listening to the folks who said i should have waited til having visa, i should just hop into my fucking magic time machine & go back & erase the thread because this fucking twink is so into everyone elses affairs,,,

I do what I do & that's it,, if you don't like it, too fucking bad
I am making an effort here doing the best i can with the resources I have available to me.. You have no right to make shit into something it is not & never was..

I am not disagreeing with anyone here at all about getting visa. I just can not do it right now. Did you even fucking read this thread at all.. how many fucking times & how many ways do I need to explain to you.

connectz

This is what's wrong with this business. I thought I had seen it all. You're starting a reseller "program" and can't afford the 750 dollars to register a site with visa?

You are destined to fail. You cannot salvage this "program". Trying to get traffic without having adequate processing in place, especially as a revshare program, will result in any webmaster avoiding you like the plague because it demonstrates you have no business plan or even basic understanding of this business.

There really is no justification for this. This isn't an oversight, coding error, or premature release of a product. It's a fundamental fuck up. No one will ever send you traffic. This is a business.

Jace

you ARE deceiving people by not stating it VERY up front that you don't have VISA....VISA is an online STANDARD, so by not offering it and causing people to lose sales because you are too broke to pay for the fee, is deceitful not to tell those people up front that you don't have it

Pleasurepays

this is porn comedy at its finest.

spacedog

I am promoting it myself, but I figured I'd make this post to make things happen faster.. & you're right, but I got anxious..

Jace

this is what happens when uneducated idiot teenagers think they can be in the porn business and make millions of dollars

candyflip

Here in my shop today, I processed 10 CC transactions. 100% of them were Visa.

Just food for thought.

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Jace

you know, that graphic I posted above was for overall credit card usage....I would venture to guess that visa is even higher of a percentage in the online porn world

Jace

2bet needs to put this on gfydrama.com, this thread fucking rocks

spacedog

Like all the other ccbill programs without it have it clearly pointed out, huh..

like all the other ccbill programs that accept phone payments but don't payout on them, huh.. they have it all clearly put out there.,,

so, now you claim i am intentionally & willfully trying to decieve people? hmm.. are you?

For christs sake, shit's only been up for a few days here.. is it ok with you that I adapt & improve on things as I recieve feedback, hmm.. Do I need your damn permission? Do i have your permission to do it now?

on another note, only way to get massive amounts of feedback is to put it out there in the open so all the sharks can come & publically scrutinize every flaw they find.

spacedog

I know not having visa is hurting sales, but, hey.. I can't undo the thread

I never once said I was not getting it,, always planned on having it.. just don't have it right now.. hey.. kinda too late to delay making a thread.. kinda too late to not launch.. kinda too late to not accept affiliates..

these people think I am arguing with them about getting visa when I never once was refuting it..

Nobody here needs to be trying to convince me to get visa,, I never once denied it or argued about it,, but the idiots like franck want to make themselves look cool & try to make it look like that..