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Pete-KT 12-14-2006 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MonikerChris (Post 11526378)
Wow... I need to catch up on this a bit... I appreciate the support from Pete, recommending Moniker service in general, and the service I do my best to provide in specific. Whether he is trying to make money for me, or just being infomative, Moniker's dedication to our clients is verifiably excellent.

With regard to DirectNic, they are good people and friends of ours, and I am unsure exactly what the motivation was for their inquiry and actions, but I don't think that it is an "across the board" policy for their company. Since I don't work for them, I won't guess how their policy is changing, or what future plans they might have.

What I CAN speak to is MONIKER'S policy with regard to complaints or objections to our clients websites and domains. We don't shut you down for complaints... Let's face it... it is the adult industry, SOMEBODY is going to have a problem with it somewhere, so we expect for there to be complaints... the difference between us and many other registrars is that we will TALK TO YOU about it before taking any action.

From this standpoint, RawAlex, it is understandable why Pete would be talking about Moniker and me... We PROTECT HIS INTRESTS. We make sure that he, and all of our other many adult and adult related clients continue to make money by NOT yielding to complaints. On a daily basis we recieve complaints and orders to "cease and desist"... I don't get shaken up when they come in, because normally they are just sent to rattle cages and try and scare us into shutting a site down. Suffice it to say that we don't scare easily.

I am grateful for all the clients that I work with, and for the friendships that I have with my clients. Pete is a good friend, as are many others. I will continue to protect their interests as best I can.

Thanks Chris and its a wonderful friendship and glad to have you guys protecting my domains

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MonikerChris (Post 11526378)
the difference between us and many other registrars is that we will TALK TO YOU about it before taking any action.
Which is exactly what DirectNic did. It seems a lot of people think it would have been better for them to turn them over to the government first intead.

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526380)
translation: kiss ass
What good does it do me to kiss their ass? Do you think I get freebies for standing up for people that I feel are doing what's right? Do you think they're going to send me to Hawaii for a week for these posts? I don't drink more than 2 drinks a night at shows so I doubt I'm looking for a free drink, lol. Plus they haven't gone to shows in years!

Companies like DirectNic and Moniker are owned by Adult industry folks. I put more faith in them than I do Godaddy or whatever. :1orglaugh

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526312)
same thing i'm starting to wonder also
I have known most of the people involved with Directnic since before you could get on the internet. Interestingly, I don't have a single domain registered with them (and I have a large number of domains).

I also do no business with them.

I also know a number of other registrars, and I would come out to support them in the same manner as I am supporting Directnic right now. CP is a horrible, horrible problem that not only hurts our business, but hurts innocent children. I can never fault anyone for wanting to handle this situation carefully and not just pass the buck.

Chris, while I am sure you appreciate Pete's fine friendship, the nature of this thread and it's title is misleading, and looks like a very shrill sort of shill for your business. I would suggest that you privately ask him to better time his sales campaigns so that it doesn't look like you are trying to dance on Directnic's prematurely dug grave.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526410)
I have known most of the people involved with Directnic since before you could get on the internet. Interestingly, I don't have a single domain registered with them (and I have a large number of domains).

I also do no business with them.

I also know a number of other registrars, and I would come out to support them in the same manner as I am supporting Directnic right now. CP is a horrible, horrible problem that not only hurts our business, but hurts innocent children. I can never fault anyone for wanting to handle this situation carefully and not just pass the buck.

Chris, while I am sure you appreciate Pete's fine friendship, the nature of this thread and it's title is misleading, and looks like a very shrill sort of shill for your business. I would suggest that you privately ask him to better time his sales campaigns so that it doesn't look like you are trying to dance on Directnic's prematurely dug grave.
CP is a very horrible thing at least we agree on that, and for me to make a thread stating that I like someone over someone else is my thoughts, since when is it not ok to post what i think? last i check we do live in the US with free speach as one of my rights

Webby 12-14-2006 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526393)
Which is exactly what DirectNic did. It seems a lot of people think it would have been better for them to turn them over to the government first intead.
Personally, I don't want *ANY* registrar talking about potential child abuse content. That is not their function.

Whether domain registrar, God, member of the public, Attorney General - report the issue to law enforcement. It's that simple - it's not a discussion.

It's also obvious that the standards of a few webmasters are out of sync - they need to get off their asses damned quick and clean their act up.

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526393)
Which is exactly what DirectNic did. It seems a lot of people think it would have been better for them to turn them over to the government first intead.
I know it might be hard for you to grasp but this is nowhere near what DN did.
They said:
You do what we say or we shut you down.

MacDevilish 12-14-2006 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526410)

I also know a number of other registrars, and I would come out to support them in the same manner as I am supporting Directnic right now. CP is a horrible, horrible problem that not only hurts our business, but hurts innocent children. I can never fault anyone for wanting to handle this situation carefully and not just pass the buck.

Chris, while I am sure you appreciate Pete's fine friendship, the nature of this thread and it's title is misleading, and looks like a very shrill sort of shill for your business. I would suggest that you privately ask him to better time his sales campaigns so that it doesn't look like you are trying to dance on Directnic's prematurely dug grave.
RawAlex, I don't want you to misunderstand me on this, Moniker will not support or tolerate CP, and our clients know this across the board, but it is BECAUSE of the close relationship that we have with our clients that we are able to protect their interests. We EXPECT our clients to be responsible for thier own content, because our history and relationships with you all are tremendous.

I also appreciate the fact that you are standing up for a registrar. As I mentioned, the people at DirectNic are good people, and they are friends of ours. I really can't speak to the decisions that they are making, but I do not believe in any way shape or form that they are close to the "grave". They have been around a long time, and were founded largely to serve the adult community. We respect them, even when our policies and actions differ from theirs.

BoyAlley 12-14-2006 09:35 AM
Am I the only one that's sick and tired of hearing Mike's cheerleading squad of personal friends spreading their candy coated bullshit after each and every single post about this subject?

This is a serious issue that effects the very foundation of the internet and has ramifications WAY larger than just GFY and who or who's not been friends with anyone for a long time.

Spouting biased opinions not based on facts, but based on friendships, is completely inappropriate given the seriousness of this situation.

Virtually everyone seems to think what DirectNic is doing is bullshit, with the exception of a very small handful of people who have personal feelings for him.

There's a reason for that.

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526477)
I know it might be hard for you to grasp but this is nowhere near what DN did.
They said:
You do what we say or we shut you down.
As well they should have when dealing with CP. Or would you rather they give a CP pervert a chance to continue his garbage on another registrar?

jonesy 12-14-2006 09:36 AM
51 opinions

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526477)
I know it might be hard for you to grasp but this is nowhere near what DN did.
They said:
You do what we say or we shut you down.
Which you have to admit is better than just shutting the sites down and contacting the government, no?

It isn't "you do what we say"... it's "fulfill the contract that you signed and provide us the information to prove you are not in violation of the registration agreement".

They didn't shut the domains down, they didn't stop Slick from getting traffic, they didn't do harm to his business.

Directnic didn't shirk from responsiblity, and didn't pass the buck. A few more companies in the adult world could learn a bunch from them about facing reality rather than hiding under a rock. Slick should count himself lucky he wasn't with a registrar that just turned things off.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 09:40 AM
Hi jonesy

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11526497)
Am I the only one that's sick and tired of hearing Mike's cheerleading squad of personal friends spreading their candy coated bullshit after each and every single post about this subject?

This is a serious issue that effects the very foundation of the internet and has ramifications WAY larger than just GFY and who or who's not been friends with anyone for a long time.

Spouting biased opinions not based on facts, but based on friendships, is completely inappropriate given the seriousness of this situation.

Virtually everyone seems to think what DirectNic is doing is bullshit, with the exception of a very small handful of people who have personal feelings for him.

There's a reason for that.
I think you need to look back again. It looks pretty 50/50 to me. And what's even more interesting is that the "cheerleaders" seem to be those of us who have been in this biz for 10+ years. It's almost like we've seen this same situation with hosting and billing companies over the years........:upsidedow

Brujah 12-14-2006 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526393)
Which is exactly what DirectNic did. It seems a lot of people think it would have been better for them to turn them over to the government first intead.
I thought they placed a legal lock on his domain and demanded photo ID's by a specific date or they would delete his domains?

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526531)
Which you have to admit is better than just shutting the sites down and contacting the government, no?

It isn't "you do what we say"... it's "fulfill the contract that you signed and provide us the information to prove you are not in violation of the registration agreement".

They didn't shut the domains down, they didn't stop Slick from getting traffic, they didn't do harm to his business.

Directnic didn't shirk from responsiblity, and didn't pass the buck. A few more companies in the adult world could learn a bunch from them about facing reality rather than hiding under a rock. Slick should count himself lucky he wasn't with a registrar that just turned things off.
Hush with your logic!!

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526498)
As well they should have when dealing with CP. Or would you rather they give a CP pervert a chance to continue his garbage on another registrar?
gawd you can't be that blonde.
If they dealt with CP they'd fucking shut down the account right away.

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11526544)
I thought they placed a legal lock on his domain and demanded photo ID's by a specific date or they would delete his domains?
Which is contacting them first instead of immediately turning them over to the authorities, no?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11526544)
I thought they placed a legal lock on his domain and demanded photo ID's by a specific date or they would delete his domains?
No, they locked access to his domain account, but did not disable those domains or shut them off. They requested proof of age of models on the sites following a complaint they had received.

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526554)
gawd you can't be that blonde.
If they dealt with CP they'd fucking shut down the account right away.
Uh, even those going against DN have stated that several pictures, if not CP, certainly were borderline. DN is giving Slick a chance to prove they aren't CP. If he was a CP provider, not locking the domains would just allow him to move them over to another company - probably outside the US - and then government would be unable to check them out and prosecute as necessary - which leaves more CP on the internet.

Slick's domains are still up and working, right? It also seems this has alerted him to companies he was doing business with that weren't completely legit. I believe he mentioned either on this thread or elsewhere that he's stopped trades with at least one site. But under your logic, you'd rather him be in jail because DN reported it directly to the authorities.

pornguy 12-14-2006 09:47 AM
we use name cheap for the most part, and love them.

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526574)
Uh, even those going against DN have stated that several pictures, if not CP, certainly were borderline. DN is giving Slick a chance to prove they aren't CP. If he was a CP provider, not locking the domains would just allow him to move them over to another company - probably outside the US - and then government would be unable to check them out and prosecute as necessary - which leaves more CP on the internet.

Slick's domains are still up and working, right? It also seems this has alerted him to companies he was doing business with that weren't completely legit. I believe he mentioned either on this thread or elsewhere that he's stopped trades with at least one site.
Even I think that some of Slick's thumbs are questionable.
But can you explain to us how some birthdates will prove they're not CP ?
Lets see how you'll spin that as its been avoided to death.

the alchemist 12-14-2006 09:50 AM
lol @ registering domain names with DirectNic...

jonesy 12-14-2006 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526534)
Hi jonesy
hey pete

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jonesy (Post 11526600)
hey pete
Hello how are you

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526589)
Even I think that some of Slick's thumbs are questionable.
But can you explain to us how some birthdates will prove they're not CP ?
Lets see how you'll spin that as its been avoided to death.
Damn DN for doing the best they can to keep CP off the internet. Those bastards!!

devilspost 12-14-2006 09:53 AM
Who gives a shit if the gov is contacted about some fhg tgp, they would look at it and probably not take any action. They have the power to make the choice to prove something is agaist the law.

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526609)
Damn DN for doing the best they can to keep CP off the internet. Those bastards!!
not a nice spin.
Can you address the question ?
doubt it.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526616)
not a nice spin.
Can you address the question ?
doubt it.
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away

Brujah 12-14-2006 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526565)
No, they locked access to his domain account, but did not disable those domains or shut them off. They requested proof of age of models on the sites following a complaint they had received.
Which does seem odd for a domain registrar to do. I've never heard of a domain registrar doing that before. This probably means they have now changed their role as a registrar to include being responsible for the content on all the domain names they sell and must police them now that they've chosen to police at least some. No?

MacDevilish 12-14-2006 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526390)
Now it would be a good time to make epass virtual card work with your merchant.

OKAY OKAY... I am working on it as this forum progresses!!! LOL...

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:58 AM
darksoul, let's say that the complaint that directnic got shows some images, and they were printed in, say, June.

Asking for model birth dates would show that the models were legal at the time the complaints were made.

If the models are not 18 today, the images would obviously be illegal.

If the models were underage when the images were shot, it would be very unlikely that Slick would be able to produce ID for those models, as they would not have been part of any legal content sold (can you figure any producer dumb enough to sell content with a model ID and release that clearly shows the mode was underage when the pics were shot?).

There. Your question answered. Feel better?

devilspost 12-14-2006 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526630)
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away
Exactly.:thumbsup DN really screwed the pooch on this.

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526630)
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away
absolutely. Those involved in CP should burn in hell.

But I've already said 100 times directnic can't determine if its cp or not.
So what if they determine its not cp when in fact it is ?

ooops.

jonesy 12-14-2006 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526606)
Hello how are you
- its raining and had to cancel a shoot at the beach. shit.

other than that ok.

you?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526630)
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away
yes, and apparently you would like Directnic to continue to offer domain services to CP traders, while the government takes it's sweet time getting around to checking (which can take years). I suppose you would also oblige hosts and billing companies to do business with CP sellers because nobody has been arrested yet either, right?

Your logic is so warped. Do you run cj sites as well?

darksoul 12-14-2006 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526648)
There. Your question answered. Feel better?
I'm sorry but you haven't answered shit.
A model could've been shoot 3 years ago when she was under 18
and you'll get a current id which shows she's 20.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526660)
yes, and apparently you would like Directnic to continue to offer domain services to CP traders, while the government takes it's sweet time getting around to checking (which can take years). I suppose you would also oblige hosts and billing companies to do business with CP sellers because nobody has been arrested yet either, right?

Your logic is so warped. Do you run cj sites as well?
Who are you anyways? since you seem to be blowing DN in every thread that has been started against them

Peaches 12-14-2006 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526630)
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away
Well, per Slick's admission that at least one site was questionable at best, you just suggested Slick be sitting in a cell right now. Plus, your friend at Moniker said he would have contacted the webmaster first too. Ya gotta pick a side of the fence, Pete :thumbsup

Darksoul, I answered your question. If you can't figure it out, there's really not a lot I can do to help you :(

Brujah 12-14-2006 10:13 AM
Did DirectNIC follow any of the links and report the sponsors FHG's that were being linked to? I'm curious if they ended their reporting to the domain name they sold, or if Lightspeed, FuckYouCash, NSCash, Nubiles, etc.. were reported to the authorities since it was their content.


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