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jonesy 12-14-2006 09:36 AM

51 opinions

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526477)
I know it might be hard for you to grasp but this is nowhere near what DN did.
They said:
You do what we say or we shut you down.

Which you have to admit is better than just shutting the sites down and contacting the government, no?

It isn't "you do what we say"... it's "fulfill the contract that you signed and provide us the information to prove you are not in violation of the registration agreement".

They didn't shut the domains down, they didn't stop Slick from getting traffic, they didn't do harm to his business.

Directnic didn't shirk from responsiblity, and didn't pass the buck. A few more companies in the adult world could learn a bunch from them about facing reality rather than hiding under a rock. Slick should count himself lucky he wasn't with a registrar that just turned things off.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 09:40 AM

Hi jonesy

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11526497)
Am I the only one that's sick and tired of hearing Mike's cheerleading squad of personal friends spreading their candy coated bullshit after each and every single post about this subject?

This is a serious issue that effects the very foundation of the internet and has ramifications WAY larger than just GFY and who or who's not been friends with anyone for a long time.

Spouting biased opinions not based on facts, but based on friendships, is completely inappropriate given the seriousness of this situation.

Virtually everyone seems to think what DirectNic is doing is bullshit, with the exception of a very small handful of people who have personal feelings for him.

There's a reason for that.

I think you need to look back again. It looks pretty 50/50 to me. And what's even more interesting is that the "cheerleaders" seem to be those of us who have been in this biz for 10+ years. It's almost like we've seen this same situation with hosting and billing companies over the years........:upsidedow

Brujah 12-14-2006 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526393)
Which is exactly what DirectNic did. It seems a lot of people think it would have been better for them to turn them over to the government first intead.

I thought they placed a legal lock on his domain and demanded photo ID's by a specific date or they would delete his domains?

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526531)
Which you have to admit is better than just shutting the sites down and contacting the government, no?

It isn't "you do what we say"... it's "fulfill the contract that you signed and provide us the information to prove you are not in violation of the registration agreement".

They didn't shut the domains down, they didn't stop Slick from getting traffic, they didn't do harm to his business.

Directnic didn't shirk from responsiblity, and didn't pass the buck. A few more companies in the adult world could learn a bunch from them about facing reality rather than hiding under a rock. Slick should count himself lucky he wasn't with a registrar that just turned things off.

Hush with your logic!!

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526498)
As well they should have when dealing with CP. Or would you rather they give a CP pervert a chance to continue his garbage on another registrar?

gawd you can't be that blonde.
If they dealt with CP they'd fucking shut down the account right away.

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11526544)
I thought they placed a legal lock on his domain and demanded photo ID's by a specific date or they would delete his domains?

Which is contacting them first instead of immediately turning them over to the authorities, no?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11526544)
I thought they placed a legal lock on his domain and demanded photo ID's by a specific date or they would delete his domains?

No, they locked access to his domain account, but did not disable those domains or shut them off. They requested proof of age of models on the sites following a complaint they had received.

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526554)
gawd you can't be that blonde.
If they dealt with CP they'd fucking shut down the account right away.

Uh, even those going against DN have stated that several pictures, if not CP, certainly were borderline. DN is giving Slick a chance to prove they aren't CP. If he was a CP provider, not locking the domains would just allow him to move them over to another company - probably outside the US - and then government would be unable to check them out and prosecute as necessary - which leaves more CP on the internet.

Slick's domains are still up and working, right? It also seems this has alerted him to companies he was doing business with that weren't completely legit. I believe he mentioned either on this thread or elsewhere that he's stopped trades with at least one site. But under your logic, you'd rather him be in jail because DN reported it directly to the authorities.

pornguy 12-14-2006 09:47 AM

we use name cheap for the most part, and love them.

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526574)
Uh, even those going against DN have stated that several pictures, if not CP, certainly were borderline. DN is giving Slick a chance to prove they aren't CP. If he was a CP provider, not locking the domains would just allow him to move them over to another company - probably outside the US - and then government would be unable to check them out and prosecute as necessary - which leaves more CP on the internet.

Slick's domains are still up and working, right? It also seems this has alerted him to companies he was doing business with that weren't completely legit. I believe he mentioned either on this thread or elsewhere that he's stopped trades with at least one site.

Even I think that some of Slick's thumbs are questionable.
But can you explain to us how some birthdates will prove they're not CP ?
Lets see how you'll spin that as its been avoided to death.

the alchemist 12-14-2006 09:50 AM

lol @ registering domain names with DirectNic...

jonesy 12-14-2006 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526534)
Hi jonesy

hey pete

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesy (Post 11526600)
hey pete

Hello how are you

Peaches 12-14-2006 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526589)
Even I think that some of Slick's thumbs are questionable.
But can you explain to us how some birthdates will prove they're not CP ?
Lets see how you'll spin that as its been avoided to death.

Damn DN for doing the best they can to keep CP off the internet. Those bastards!!

devilspost 12-14-2006 09:53 AM

Who gives a shit if the gov is contacted about some fhg tgp, they would look at it and probably not take any action. They have the power to make the choice to prove something is agaist the law.

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526609)
Damn DN for doing the best they can to keep CP off the internet. Those bastards!!

not a nice spin.
Can you address the question ?
doubt it.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526616)
not a nice spin.
Can you address the question ?
doubt it.

If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away

Brujah 12-14-2006 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526565)
No, they locked access to his domain account, but did not disable those domains or shut them off. They requested proof of age of models on the sites following a complaint they had received.

Which does seem odd for a domain registrar to do. I've never heard of a domain registrar doing that before. This probably means they have now changed their role as a registrar to include being responsible for the content on all the domain names they sell and must police them now that they've chosen to police at least some. No?

MacDevilish 12-14-2006 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526390)
Now it would be a good time to make epass virtual card work with your merchant.


OKAY OKAY... I am working on it as this forum progresses!!! LOL...

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:58 AM

darksoul, let's say that the complaint that directnic got shows some images, and they were printed in, say, June.

Asking for model birth dates would show that the models were legal at the time the complaints were made.

If the models are not 18 today, the images would obviously be illegal.

If the models were underage when the images were shot, it would be very unlikely that Slick would be able to produce ID for those models, as they would not have been part of any legal content sold (can you figure any producer dumb enough to sell content with a model ID and release that clearly shows the mode was underage when the pics were shot?).

There. Your question answered. Feel better?

devilspost 12-14-2006 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526630)
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away

Exactly.:thumbsup DN really screwed the pooch on this.

darksoul 12-14-2006 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526630)
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away

absolutely. Those involved in CP should burn in hell.

But I've already said 100 times directnic can't determine if its cp or not.
So what if they determine its not cp when in fact it is ?

ooops.

jonesy 12-14-2006 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526606)
Hello how are you

- its raining and had to cancel a shoot at the beach. shit.

other than that ok.

you?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526630)
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away

yes, and apparently you would like Directnic to continue to offer domain services to CP traders, while the government takes it's sweet time getting around to checking (which can take years). I suppose you would also oblige hosts and billing companies to do business with CP sellers because nobody has been arrested yet either, right?

Your logic is so warped. Do you run cj sites as well?

darksoul 12-14-2006 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526648)
There. Your question answered. Feel better?

I'm sorry but you haven't answered shit.
A model could've been shoot 3 years ago when she was under 18
and you'll get a current id which shows she's 20.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526660)
yes, and apparently you would like Directnic to continue to offer domain services to CP traders, while the government takes it's sweet time getting around to checking (which can take years). I suppose you would also oblige hosts and billing companies to do business with CP sellers because nobody has been arrested yet either, right?

Your logic is so warped. Do you run cj sites as well?

Who are you anyways? since you seem to be blowing DN in every thread that has been started against them

Peaches 12-14-2006 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526630)
If it really was CP id rather they notify the government then try to fix it themself and try to be the cops, id rather the idiots trading CP be busted and put away

Well, per Slick's admission that at least one site was questionable at best, you just suggested Slick be sitting in a cell right now. Plus, your friend at Moniker said he would have contacted the webmaster first too. Ya gotta pick a side of the fence, Pete :thumbsup

Darksoul, I answered your question. If you can't figure it out, there's really not a lot I can do to help you :(

Brujah 12-14-2006 10:13 AM

Did DirectNIC follow any of the links and report the sponsors FHG's that were being linked to? I'm curious if they ended their reporting to the domain name they sold, or if Lightspeed, FuckYouCash, NSCash, Nubiles, etc.. were reported to the authorities since it was their content.

darksoul 12-14-2006 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526707)
Darksoul, I answered your question. If you can't figure it out, there's really not a lot I can do to help you :(

Well, you must be so fucking dense, because nobody could see your answer
(besides RawAlex, obviously)

Peaches 12-14-2006 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 11526736)
Did DirectNIC follow any of the links and report the sponsors FHG's that were being linked to? I'm curious if they ended their reporting to the domain name they sold, or if Lightspeed, FuckYouCash, NSCash, Nubiles, etc.. were reported to the authorities since it was their content.

Where does anyone say they reported ANY domain??

Geeze.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526707)
Well, per Slick's admission that at least one site was questionable at best, you just suggested Slick be sitting in a cell right now. Plus, your friend at Moniker said he would have contacted the webmaster first too. Ya gotta pick a side of the fence, Pete :thumbsup

Darksoul, I answered your question. If you can't figure it out, there's really not a lot I can do to help you :(

Ya moniker would check it out and then talk to the webmaster, not LOCK your account and tell your your fucked

darling2 12-14-2006 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonikerChris (Post 11526643)
OKAY OKAY... I am working on it as this forum progresses!!! LOL...

Chris, My epassporte works great with you (for a non-US billing address)

I've also been a customer with you guys since you started and you are still the only registrar with real customer service and time to answer even the smallest of questions.

Peaches 12-14-2006 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526776)
Ya moniker would check it out and then talk to the webmaster, not LOCK your account and tell your your fucked

If they were smart, they'd lock it. No sense letting a CP pervert get off the radar that easily.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darling2 (Post 11526777)
Chris, My epassporte works great with you (for a non-US billing address)

I've also been a customer with you guys since you started and you are still the only registrar with real customer service and time to answer even the smallest of questions.

exactly and thats why i posted that they have excelent customer service and rawalex (sounds gay) started sucking DN's cock and saying they did nothing wrong

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526785)
If they were smart, they'd lock it. No sense letting a CP pervert get off the radar that easily.

peaches sorry i forgot your so close and buddy buddy with DN that there right and everyone else is wrong

darling2 12-14-2006 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526776)
Ya moniker would check it out and then talk to the webmaster, not LOCK your account and tell your your fucked

I can testify to that.

I once ran a free host and hosted the domain with moniker and I got all kinds of questionable content uploaded. Moniker always contacted me first when they got complaints so I had the opportunity to delete/ban the offending free host accounts.

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darling2 (Post 11526793)
I can testify to that.

I once ran a free host and hosted the domain with moniker and I got all kinds of questionable content uploaded. Moniker always contacted me first when they got complaints so I had the opportunity to delete/ban the offending free host accounts.

exactly because they take care of there customers not try to run them away

MacDevilish 12-14-2006 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526707)
Well, per Slick's admission that at least one site was questionable at best, you just suggested Slick be sitting in a cell right now. Plus, your friend at Moniker said he would have contacted the webmaster first too. Ya gotta pick a side of the fence, Pete :thumbsup

Darksoul, I answered your question. If you can't figure it out, there's really not a lot I can do to help you :(


I don't know what the content precisely was, and I think that with regard to CP there should be no quarter given in the prosecution of it, I think everyone in this thread feels similar disgust with regard to it. THAT BEING SAID, it is not the job of the registrar to verify the ages of the models being used in response to a complaint.

I would contact the client, let them know about the complaint, find out thier thoughts on how they wanted me to handle it, and then politely tell the person making the complaint that the matter has been discussed.

There isn't a lot more that the registrar can legally do... If I remember the procedure correctly, the BUSINESSOWNER is responsible to keep the model consent forms and age verification, so that if a law enforcement organization was to ask for it, it could be presented... a registrar (even with a loose definition of that word) is NOT a law enforcement organization... :)

Dennis69 12-14-2006 10:26 AM

Good post since DN stuck it's nose into a place where it doesn't belong... if you leave your domains with them after all this then you are looking trouble square in the face!

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonikerChris (Post 11526799)
... a registrar (even with a loose definition of that word) is NOT a law enforcement organization... :)

That was my exact point to this thread

Pete-KT 12-14-2006 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dennis69 (Post 11526808)
Good post since DN stuck it's nose into a place where it doesn't belong... if you leave your domains with them after all this then you are looking trouble square in the face!

Exactly my point

TDF 12-14-2006 10:33 AM

the asskissing in tthis buisness astounds me

Peaches 12-14-2006 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonikerChris (Post 11526799)
a registrar (even with a loose definition of that word) is NOT a law enforcement organization... :)

Neither is a host or a billing company, but they do the same thing.

Since Slick's admitted that at least one of the sites was questionable, would have let it go at that or reported him for having CP on his sites?

Brujah 12-14-2006 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526866)
Neither is a host or a billing company, but they do the same thing.

Since Slick's admitted that at least one of the sites was questionable, would have let it go at that or reported him for having CP on his sites?

Would you say the ATTORNEY (I know you like capitalizing that word) from FSC gave bad or inaccurate advice on the issue then? Would you shop around then for an ATTORNEY that gave you the advice you wanted to hear?

RawAlex 12-14-2006 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul (Post 11526685)
I'm sorry but you haven't answered shit.
A model could've been shoot 3 years ago when she was under 18
and you'll get a current id which shows she's 20.

I answered that: Sets featuring underage models wouldn't come with ID, now would they?

think!

darksoul 12-14-2006 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11526866)
Neither is a host or a billing company, but they do the same thing.

Since Slick's admitted that at least one of the sites was questionable, would have let it go at that or reported him for having CP on his sites?

You should at least try to fake that you understand whats beeing talked about.

Nobody has a problem with directnic trying to work out with Slick, the problem is how they do it.

darksoul 12-14-2006 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11526913)
I answered that: Sets featuring underage models wouldn't come with ID, now would they?

think!

Is it so hard to grasp that some content producer could take a current id
and say the content was produced x months ago while it was produced several years ago ?

think trice.

RawAlex 12-14-2006 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete-KT (Post 11526786)
exactly and thats why i posted that they have excelent customer service and rawalex (sounds gay) started sucking DN's cock and saying they did nothing wrong


hey Pete, do me a favor, keep your insults to yourself. If you have a problem with my comments, address the comments. Name calling and insults just point out how much you have really lost your grip on the whole deal.

You don't like Directnic, fine, don't do business with them. I am just disgusted to see you and Chris here trying to drum up buisness against them. Sharks in the water, smelling blood, perhaps?

I don't have a horse in this race. I don't do business with either. If you hadn't come out touting moniker, your comments regarding Directnic might have a little more weight.

Too bad.

Now if you want to play name calling and insult games, I suggest you go to the sandbox in the park near your house. The kids over there might enjoy it.


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