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LiveDose 12-13-2006 06:17 PM

Damn bro.... Up one day, way down the next. What's your largest take?

boneprone 12-13-2006 06:39 PM

Pistons are down..

Good thing the casino took all my money or I would have lost more on this game!

Haaaaaaaaa!!

directfiesta 12-13-2006 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11522396)
Wanna Bet??

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Classic :thumbsup

greygoose 12-13-2006 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11522445)
Yep..

Sports doing awsome.. But the fucking casino skims my profits..

I swearing myself away from casino action...

Thats it..

Done..

Only sports and poker now.

Damn you should invest in me, I'll make you money with roulette and poker.

SuperDave05 12-13-2006 07:10 PM

I wonder what the online casino thinks of you winning $20k of their money in one hand?

BlazingBucks_Ryan 12-13-2006 07:38 PM

BonePro - I have read your posts over the last year or two and seen your occasional highs but more often I see you talking about your losses, and serious numbers too ..

Anyone who knows me from the old times knows I am not only an idiot for blowing my money in many other ways but I would say I blew literally 75% of my money I made over the years on gambling in some way or another.

I have done everything from rationalizing to playing only lower stakes to saying I can be a winning player (If I would just quit gambling and actually play like I should be) but over and over I lose ..

Take it from someone who was in your shoes once and coule blow $30K and just bitch about it and forget about it within a day or two. It will get worse and completely out of control. You will end up losing interest in other things, gambling is just as bad as any hard core drug. You live for your next win, unfortunately as good as that feeling is when you do win big it is rare and you are probably only winning 20-25% of the time you play at best.

Hope I don't come across as an asshole but if someone had knocked some sense into me years ago, I would still have a paid off house, paid off cars in the drive, and money in the bank.

You may be able to afford it now, but the amounts you gamble will only increase and unless your income inreases proportionally you will be worse off financially more and more as time goes on. A typical gambling addict will lose their interest in work as well which leads to dwindling incomes and increased losses at the tables - a double no no ...

Wish you the best man, and if you ever need anyone to talk to about it in private - you can ICQ me any time man

boneprone 12-13-2006 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlazingBucks_Ryan (Post 11523481)
BonePro - I have read your posts over the last year or two and seen your occasional highs but more often I see you talking about your losses, and serious numbers too ..

Anyone who knows me from the old times knows I am not only an idiot for blowing my money in many other ways but I would say I blew literally 75% of my money I made over the years on gambling in some way or another.

I have done everything from rationalizing to playing only lower stakes to saying I can be a winning player (If I would just quit gambling and actually play like I should be) but over and over I lose ..

Take it from someone who was in your shoes once and coule blow $30K and just bitch about it and forget about it within a day or two. It will get worse and completely out of control. You will end up losing interest in other things, gambling is just as bad as any hard core drug. You live for your next win, unfortunately as good as that feeling is when you do win big it is rare and you are probably only winning 20-25% of the time you play at best.

Hope I don't come across as an asshole but if someone had knocked some sense into me years ago, I would still have a paid off house, paid off cars in the drive, and money in the bank.

You may be able to afford it now, but the amounts you gamble will only increase and unless your income inreases proportionally you will be worse off financially more and more as time goes on. A typical gambling addict will lose their interest in work as well which leads to dwindling incomes and increased losses at the tables - a double no no ...

Wish you the best man, and if you ever need anyone to talk to about it in private - you can ICQ me any time man

Very sobering........

May I ask how did you stop??

There have been times where I have stoped.. Wanted to stop, and stopped part time.

But just when I think Im done, they pull me back in..

And the wins, the HUGE FUCKING WINS just keep me fueled.. Its all I do when im on a roll. IS think and sleep sports.. When I lose all I do is think and sleep sports. It consumes me so much my whole life is think and sleep sports. Unreal....

There are times when Im winning and im forced to take a month off.. Just so I can clear my mind.. Winning not just losing is very very, whats the word, toll taking on one's self.

Yeah, its very consuming... Even when you win..

Im starting to hate it..

Thus the reason for betting bigger and bigger amounts.. So I can still feel the game.. So I can still feel the affects of having stake..

Fuck bro..

ITs not good..

Hasnt affected my bottom line of living or income, but it has consumed me emotionally and mentally, even physically.

Shit you not.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 12-13-2006 07:54 PM

damn, i don't know you personally, but just spotting your threads screams problem gambler. put you rmoney into stock or something if you have nothing better to do with it...

boneprone 12-13-2006 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ismokeblunts (Post 11523533)
damn, i don't know you personally, but just spotting your threads screams problem gambler. put you rmoney into stock or something if you have nothing better to do with it...


Stocks..

Jesus Christ..

That was worse..

I was like Lars, but instead of making I was losing.. TONS...

Lost something like 60k in one day back in 2002 I think it was..

Fuckign horrible..

boneprone 12-13-2006 08:11 PM

"THE RISE AND FALL OF THE BONEPRONE FAMILY"

A true E! Hollywood Story coming soon...

Has a ring to it huh?

Haaaaaaaaaa!!!

Deej 12-13-2006 08:15 PM

Amarilloa slims

http://boneprone4life.com/doyle.jpg


EDIT, im wrong

doyle brunson

dank 12-13-2006 08:48 PM

Easy come easy go.

Stop crying and do your homework for tomorrows games.

Paparazzi 12-13-2006 08:53 PM

hey Boneprone, do you only play live poker or on the net too? If so I hope you play with rakeback :)

madawgz 12-13-2006 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beejeebers (Post 11518722)
Go play golf it's just as addicting and way less expensive.

not if you bet on it :winkwink:

boneprone 12-13-2006 08:56 PM

I play a lot of poker.. Live games for the most part.. Online not so much..

If I do play online its not for thousands of dollars to buy in.. Few hundred at most..

So its not gunna hurt if I lose...

The biggest buy in i did for a tourney online was 600.00


The biggest for a live game $10,000.00

World Series Of Poker..

BlazingBucks_Ryan 12-13-2006 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11523518)
Very sobering........

May I ask how did you stop??

There have been times where I have stoped.. Wanted to stop, and stopped part time.

But just when I think Im done, they pull me back in..

And the wins, the HUGE FUCKING WINS just keep me fueled.. Its all I do when im on a roll. IS think and sleep sports.. When I lose all I do is think and sleep sports. It consumes me so much my whole life is think and sleep sports. Unreal....

There are times when Im winning and im forced to take a month off.. Just so I can clear my mind.. Winning not just losing is very very, whats the word, toll taking on one's self.

Yeah, its very consuming... Even when you win..

Im starting to hate it..

Thus the reason for betting bigger and bigger amounts.. So I can still feel the game.. So I can still feel the affects of having stake..

Fuck bro..

ITs not good..

Hasnt affected my bottom line of living or income, but it has consumed me emotionally and mentally, even physically.

Shit you not.


Honestly, it is still a work in progress. I do have $11,000 in maxed out credit card debt due to gambling now - and to me now, that is the equivalent of having $1,000,000.00 in credit card debt back then.

I haven't gambled at all in about 3 weeks. My last time I played I played poker VERY WELL for 3 weeks straight and built up $6,000.00 from a $300 deposit. I had dreams of paying off my credit cards again dancing in my head....

Thing is instead of cashing out $5,000 and slowly rebuilding my bankroll again (starting with the $1,000 I would of had left, which would have been MORE than enough) I had this ingenious idea!!

I could play $150/$300 limit and with one lucky session I could get the $10K I needed to get completely out of debt !! Needlesss to sya two bad beats and I lost $4,000.00 - Naturally I had to keep playing to get back to even then, which led to me busting out, yet again ... Story of my life ....

It took 30 minutes to destroy weeks of solid poker - Playing 80 + hours per week with a fierce desire not to stray off path this time.... I can play poker well, seriously .. But I can't play it because of this exact reason. At some point of time I always decide to 'gamble' instead of 'play poker' no matter what ... and it has led to me playing in games over me head where I wasn't properly bankrolled and I lose.

I'm not getting any new credit cards, the Misses has the maxed out ones ... and I will be paying $300 a month on them for god knows how long. Hopefully it is a reminder to me to stay off the tables no matter how 'juicy' the game I see etc is.

I had an idea I was looking for investments in a while ago pertaining to problem gamblers like you and I. The idea was to build a software program that you install on your computer and it completely locks your ability to access any gambling related sites.

Once installled, you could not remove it off your computer, period... The market is out there for the product, I know I would buy it - and I know it would still save me money most likely to this day if suck a product existed.

The beauty is I think some sites that are truly 'Anti Gambling Addicts" liek Poker Stars would gladly link to such a program for free. It is very unlikely many actual casinos would link to such a site but poker related sites who are trying to build their reputation as being skill based would likely link to such a thinkg (gratis) ... The PR for such a product alone would make it proiftable within a week - I had quotes for the deisgn of it and everything, had programmers in place, ironically 50% of the money I had set aside to get it started I lost gambling ...

Like I said, if you ever need any one who can seriously relate drop me a line. I have been where you are to a T. I am a noone now but I used to bet $5-$10,000 a hand at the BJ tables and played only the highest limit poker games avalable for years.. I know what the big money betting rush is like, along witht he huge wins. I also knowmuchmore well (unfortunately) the feeling of huge losses .. :(

paypaler 12-13-2006 09:05 PM

Stop Playing its not woth the risk..

boneprone 12-13-2006 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlazingBucks_Ryan (Post 11523794)
Honestly, it is still a work in progress. I do have $11,000 in maxed out credit card debt due to gambling now - and to me now, that is the equivalent of having $1,000,000.00 in credit card debt back then.

I haven't gambled at all in about 3 weeks. My last time I played I played poker VERY WELL for 3 weeks straight and built up $6,000.00 from a $300 deposit. I had dreams of paying off my credit cards again dancing in my head....

Thing is instead of cashing out $5,000 and slowly rebuilding my bankroll again (starting with the $1,000 I would of had left, which would have been MORE than enough) I had this ingenious idea!!

I could play $150/$300 limit and with one lucky session I could get the $10K I needed to get completely out of debt !! Needlesss to sya two bad beats and I lost $4,000.00 - Naturally I had to keep playing to get back to even then, which led to me busting out, yet again ... Story of my life ....

It took 30 minutes to destroy weeks of solid poker - Playing 80 + hours per week with a fierce desire not to stray off path this time.... I can play poker well, seriously .. But I can't play it because of this exact reason. At some point of time I always decide to 'gamble' instead of 'play poker' no matter what ... and it has led to me playing in games over me head where I wasn't properly bankrolled and I lose.

I'm not getting any new credit cards, the Misses has the maxed out ones ... and I will be paying $300 a month on them for god knows how long. Hopefully it is a reminder to me to stay off the tables no matter how 'juicy' the game I see etc is.

I had an idea I was looking for investments in a while ago pertaining to problem gamblers like you and I. The idea was to build a software program that you install on your computer and it completely locks your ability to access any gambling related sites.

Once installled, you could not remove it off your computer, period... The market is out there for the product, I know I would buy it - and I know it would still save me money most likely to this day if suck a product existed.

The beauty is I think some sites that are truly 'Anti Gambling Addicts" liek Poker Stars would gladly link to such a program for free. It is very unlikely many actual casinos would link to such a site but poker related sites who are trying to build their reputation as being skill based would likely link to such a thinkg (gratis) ... The PR for such a product alone would make it proiftable within a week - I had quotes for the deisgn of it and everything, had programmers in place, ironically 50% of the money I had set aside to get it started I lost gambling ...

Like I said, if you ever need any one who can seriously relate drop me a line. I have been where you are to a T. I am a noone now but I used to bet $5-$10,000 a hand at the BJ tables and played only the highest limit poker games avalable for years.. I know what the big money betting rush is like, along witht he huge wins. I also knowmuchmore well (unfortunately) the feeling of huge losses .. :(



JEsus Christ..

ITs as if you are typing as my alter ego..

I can relate.. 100%

The "HEAT" as it is a refered to.. Where you slowly work up smart and careful to a large amount by playing smart and with dicpline.. Only to get infected by what casinos call the "HEAT" to lose weeks of work in a matter of hours or wreckless play..

Fuck man. I feel sick just thinking about it.. Any gambler who has been in the game for a while knows this feeling. EVERYONE.. I dont care who you are. And its painful..

Ive tried to manage it, tried to in theory skim off the top when up, etc, etc.. But it never works..

You see getting the big wins and the bankroll to a huge number isnt difficult for me.. Its managing it, and knowing when to stop and slow down, and skim the profits that kills me..

And for most great handicapers and gamblers, this is the part that is hardest.. Managing the wins.. Not winning itself..

boneprone 12-13-2006 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paypaler (Post 11523805)
Stop Playing its not woth the risk..

Dude.. For a gambler.. Its the RISK that is the sought......

BlazingBucks_Ryan 12-13-2006 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11523836)
JEsus Christ..

ITs as if you are typing as my alter ego..

I can relate.. 100%

The "HEAT" as it is a refered to.. Where you slowly work up smart and careful to a large amount by playing smart and with dicpline.. Only to get infected by what casinos call the "HEAT" to lose weeks of work in a matter of hours or wreckless play..

Fuck man. I feel sick just thinking about it.. Any gambler who has been in the game for a while knows this feeling. EVERYONE.. I dont care who you are. And its painful..

Ive tried to manage it, tried to in theory skim off the top when up, etc, etc.. But it never works..

You see getting the big wins and the bankroll to a huge number isnt difficult for me.. Its managing it, and knowing when to stop and slow down, and skim the profits that kills me..

And for most great handicapers and gamblers, this is the part that is hardest.. Managing the wins.. Not winning itself..


This is what distinguishes TRUE professional poker players from those who are good or strictly gamble etc, skill is an important part of being able to be a professional poker player but I would say 20% skill and 80% emotional control/bankroll management makes the few out there that make their living off of poker alone.

boneprone 12-13-2006 09:43 PM

Yep Exactly..

This 30k was bullshit.. Could have been prevented.. It was a lack of discpline in my part..

I need to regroup and stay focused. Keep small consistant units of action on daily bets..

No big huge bets, no stupid for fun online casino...

boneprone 12-13-2006 09:44 PM

YOu should see my line sheet for all the sports action Ive had in the last three weeks..

Very very solid........

It just pains me when I blow it on stupid shit like video online casino.

Spunky 12-13-2006 09:50 PM

Hope you can eventually get that demon off your back..it will take some serious discipline but will pay off in the long run..perhaps some professional help might work?

Toplessgoat 12-13-2006 10:18 PM

Shit man!!!!! Well if there is any consolation, it's really only $29,500, since you won $500 from Mike on his thread. :Oh crap

blackhatter 12-13-2006 10:20 PM

Take that 30k and invest in gold. Earn 600$ per day. 0 risk.

Profits of Doom 12-13-2006 10:31 PM

I recently started sportsbetting again but keep it to just golf and boxing, two sports I know I can beat with a high percentage. There was a time when I was the most disciplined gambler on the planet. I would never bet more than 5% of my bankroll on a single play and never more than 20% in a single day. I had no problem passing when there was nothing on the board worth playing and didn't feel like I had to have action every second of every day. I did my homework, rarely finished below 60% in a season on the sports I played, and made some really good money.

The problem was that money was never enough. As my bankroll increased my play size increased to where I was playing $5,000 to $10,000 a game. For some reason when I reached those numbers greed started to blind me. In the past if I had a losing day it was no big deal...I took for what it was and started over the next day. But one NFL season I started to totally fall apart.

It was a couple of years ago and I was playing Carolina +3 over Atlanta on a Sunday night game, $22,000 to win $20,000. I look at those numbers now and want to puke. The game went into overtime so I figured I was in good shape to at least push, since most overtime games in the NFL are decided by a field goal. Carolina won the toss, and on the first play Jake Delhomme threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown. I just lost $22,000 on one game.

From there I just completely fell apart. If I had a bad day in college football I would double up on the Hawaii game, which is usually the last game of the night. If I had a bad day in the NFL I would kill the Sunday night game, or even worse fall into the "I'm in a hole and Monday Night Football will bail me out" trap. My bank roll started to seriously dwindle.

The end came when, after a bad day, I would play some shitty Euro soccer game I knew nothing about just because it was the only thing on the board at 5 AM. All of my capping research went out the window, and I was picking games off of bullshit I would read in a sportsbetting forum. I would play tennis because it was on the board at 9 AM. I had to have action every second of the day or I was miserable.

The end result is I managed to take a low six figure bankroll and make it disappear. When you are winning it is the most euphoric feeling in the world. Then you start to get so high on it you feel like you can't lose and all strategy, research, and common sense go out the window. I consider myself a damn good sports capper but put some money in my pocket and my brain turns to mush and I might as well be throwing darts at the sports page.

Sorry for the rambling...sometimes it's refreshing to know there's others out there that can relate. It keeps me from buying a sniper rifle and climbing to the top of Bank of America stadium waiting for Jake Dehomme to arrive.

boneprone 12-14-2006 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackhatter (Post 11524205)
Take that 30k and invest in gold. Earn 600$ per day. 0 risk.

explain???????

cheekycherry 12-14-2006 12:18 AM

I must say with the greatest respect, every time I read one of your gambling threads, it makes me think you do have a problem.

I think you'll end up losing your shirt eventually. Unless you simply stop.

webair 12-14-2006 12:21 AM

ouch that sucks sorry to hear that bone

SomeCreep 12-14-2006 12:30 AM

I was doing a bunch of sports gambling last year. I quickly discovered, there is no way to win. In the long run you'll lose. Some have longer runs than others, but in the end the result is the same.

Deej 12-14-2006 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11524621)
explain???????

He means that gold is blowing up right now, its growing in va,ue drasticly, If you buy enough pure gold (impurities taken out) *solid bars.....if you buy enough it will make you that much in appreciation every day.

But what goes up, must come down.

Basicly play the commodities and stock game with gold, right now, its the window...

boneprone 12-14-2006 12:57 AM

Well Im up 2k today with the Jazz game..


So Im up 2k today..

Down 22k yesterday

Up 13 k the day before.

So all in all in the last three days im down 7k or so..

Its really not as big an issue as it seems..

That is unless I lose 30k again tomorrow!

Haaaaaa!

Pleasurepays 12-14-2006 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Profits of Doom (Post 11524250)
I recently started sportsbetting again but keep it to just golf and boxing, two sports I know I can beat with a high percentage. There was a time when I was the most disciplined gambler on the planet. I would never bet more than 5% of my bankroll on a single play and never more than 20% in a single day. I had no problem passing when there was nothing on the board worth playing and didn't feel like I had to have action every second of every day. I did my homework, rarely finished below 60% in a season on the sports I played, and made some really good money.

The problem was that money was never enough. As my bankroll increased my play size increased to where I was playing $5,000 to $10,000 a game. For some reason when I reached those numbers greed started to blind me. In the past if I had a losing day it was no big deal...I took for what it was and started over the next day. But one NFL season I started to totally fall apart.

It was a couple of years ago and I was playing Carolina +3 over Atlanta on a Sunday night game, $22,000 to win $20,000. I look at those numbers now and want to puke. The game went into overtime so I figured I was in good shape to at least push, since most overtime games in the NFL are decided by a field goal. Carolina won the toss, and on the first play Jake Delhomme threw an interception that was returned for a touchdown. I just lost $22,000 on one game.

From there I just completely fell apart. If I had a bad day in college football I would double up on the Hawaii game, which is usually the last game of the night. If I had a bad day in the NFL I would kill the Sunday night game, or even worse fall into the "I'm in a hole and Monday Night Football will bail me out" trap. My bank roll started to seriously dwindle

i can totally relate. i used to gamble and gambled professionally. i made so much fucking money and could never lose (playing 4-5-6... its a dice game kinda like craps that asians play). i was very well known for being so lucky, but due to the structure of the game, there is a lot of ways, you can edge the odds more in your favor and with enough cash, you can just keep doubling your bets and breaking everyone around you. i was always calm and cool and disciplined... but the more i won, the more i loved the high and the risk... it just kept going and going and going until i couldn't stop myself if i wanted to. in one night, i lost about 20K cash, a 4,000 watch and a car. towards the end, it was just a blur of money, cocaine, crown royal, pissed off losers going home and sleepless nights... where the pissed off losers from the day before would come back and lose more money that they borrowed.

That was the last time i ever bet on anything. I just refuse to do it. Its like saying "sure, i'll try that heroin... just a little bit". it was the last time i used drugs. that was about 13-14 years ago.

dank 12-14-2006 02:37 AM

So what sportsbook are you gunna use now?

kapopoy 12-14-2006 02:38 AM

american filipino gambler, lol

hey better yet donate some of your fortune to those starving ppl here, see dugmor

boneprone 12-14-2006 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapopoy (Post 11525004)
american filipino gambler, lol

hey better yet donate some of your fortune to those starving ppl here, see dugmor

He's the McFlip...

Not me..

polle54 12-14-2006 10:34 AM

Boneprone where do you play poker?

I can give you a real solid rakeback on some places, don't mind paying to epassporte or neteller.

boneprone 12-14-2006 10:38 AM

My ears are open

polle54 12-14-2006 10:40 AM

sorry for your casino loss, you really shouldn't play games where the house always is in favour.
Think of it this way and it will keep you away.
For each fucking time you bet $1000, you give the casino $50 and get $950 back. That is in the long run with 100% correct play. Would you do this in any other occasion? go to a fellow GFY'er:
I have $1000 can I trade that for $950?

NO you don't. You like to gamble at least do it a place where you with training and disciplin can win a decent coin :)

If you play poker correctly both when you lose and win then you can make a solid profit by the end of the month from that.

Hit me up if you want to do a good rakeback deal, ICQ in signature.

polle54 12-14-2006 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11526872)
My ears are open

how much do you play?

approximately?

boneprone 12-14-2006 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polle54 (Post 11526883)
sorry for your casino loss, you really shouldn't play games where the house always is in favour.
Think of it this way and it will keep you away.
For each fucking time you bet $1000, you give the casino $50 and get $950 back. That is in the long run with 100% correct play. Would you do this in any other occasion? go to a fellow GFY'er:
I have $1000 can I trade that for $950?

NO you don't. You like to gamble at least do it a place where you with training and disciplin can win a decent coin :)

If you play poker correctly both when you lose and win then you can make a solid profit by the end of the month from that.

Hit me up if you want to do a good rakeback deal, ICQ in signature.

I know all about that.. I know I shouldnt be playing that shit.

Thats why it was so fucking crazy..

Internet casinos.. NEver play em.. This is why.

s9ann0 12-14-2006 12:37 PM

well done, actually though next time you want to lose $30k just hit me up I will send you my wire details

Violetta 12-14-2006 01:18 PM

haha... that sucks bigtime! Hope you stay away for a while now!

Jensen 12-14-2006 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneprone (Post 11526872)
My ears are open

atleast go with pinnacle as I've told you many times... 2-3% better odds than the bunch you're using

boneprone 12-14-2006 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jensen (Post 11528593)
atleast go with pinnacle as I've told you many times... 2-3% better odds than the bunch you're using


Yep I will..

Im in the process of closing my accounts at betonusa.com and sportsbook.com now

Im looking for a good sportsbook to do some betting at..

And I think Pinnacle is it..

Sad to leave betonusa they were good. But the new software they use in the casino is just horrible..

I told them that, and they never even responded back..

Youd think if you lost as much as I have there i could at least get a "I feel for ya" reply or somthing.

But nothing..

Im out.. Loved the sportsbook, but I can do that anywhere.

Sosa 12-14-2006 03:23 PM

bone you playing anyone tonight? :)

I got the magic -2 tonight. I know hill is out and both played last night but I'll roll with the better team tonight.

BradShaw 12-14-2006 03:42 PM

If you want to gamble, go have no condom sex with a hooker in vegas. It is cheaper.

Jensen 12-14-2006 03:44 PM

agree with you sosa.. I'm taking them -1.5 but rockets +4 would be my strongest pick today.. got them as favrourites..

BradShaw 12-14-2006 03:44 PM

If you want to gamble, go have no condom sex with a hooker in vegas. It is cheaper.

Jensen 12-14-2006 03:48 PM

memphis -23 in the ncaab also looks good...


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