Jordan Capri: another video clip - GoFuckYourself.com

AdPatron · 12-06-2006, 11:22 AM

I found this. I know some were looking for it. Looks staged to me. Did she even get married?! Or was that staged too?

http://www.deviantclip.com/Media-206...+Hardcore.html

devilspost · 12-06-2006, 11:32 AM

thats hot

AaronM · 12-06-2006, 11:35 AM

Don't people know by now that you should NEVER lay on the comforters on hotel room beds?

There are nasty fuckers who screw on those things.

Hammer · 12-06-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Don't people know by now that you should NEVER lay on the comforters on hotel room beds?

There are nasty fuckers who screw on those things.

You ever sit on the furniture? They don't wash those either.

Hammer · 12-06-2006, 11:46 AM

That guy eats pussy like he's gay. Maybe that's why he likes a chick with a chest like a guy.

RawAlex · 12-06-2006, 12:05 PM

Oh well.. that is 1 minute and 1:29 that let's the cat completely out of the bag.

Steve, is this clip approved for affiliate promotions, especially on pages packed with other programs on it?

Vite · 12-06-2006, 12:06 PM

Nasty crap, I wonder if people get the crabs from motel rooms....

Hollywood Horwitz · 12-06-2006, 12:16 PM

thnx for sharing clip! very hot!

ShaneRyale · 12-06-2006, 12:18 PM

She is so damn hot! He definately needs one of the Lightspeed girls to show him how to eat pussy though!

AaronM · 12-06-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hammer

That guy eats pussy like he's gay. Maybe that's why he likes a chick with a chest like a guy.

Depends on if it's high sex traffic furniture or not.

SteveLightspeed · 12-06-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Oh well.. that is 1 minute and 1:29 that let's the cat completely out of the bag.

Steve, is this clip approved for affiliate promotions, especially on pages packed with other programs on it?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Dachix is about to lose his lightspeecash account

sicone · 12-06-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Dachix is about to lose his lightspeecash account

Martin · 12-06-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hammer

That guy eats pussy like he's gay. Maybe that's why he likes a chick with a chest like a guy.

I smell jealousy. She seems to be enjoying herself. Id take my take my time licking that tight little puss too.

Myst · 12-06-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Oh well.. that is 1 minute and 1:29 that let's the cat completely out of the bag.

Steve, is this clip approved for affiliate promotions, especially on pages packed with other programs on it?

what do you think

QuaWee · 12-06-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hammer

That guy eats pussy like he's gay. Maybe that's why he likes a chick with a chest like a guy.

ready lube · 12-06-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaneRyale

She is so damn hot! He definately needs one of the Lightspeed girls to show him how to eat pussy though!

Yeah he looks a little shy and tame for the job but there's no better way to get a girl off then to tease a little here and there ;)

and who would have anything against that chest! come on

soulbleed · 12-06-2006, 04:25 PM

that guys is shit at eating her out

sweethotkayla · 12-06-2006, 04:36 PM

wow you guys all sound like the masters of pussy eating...ever thought she may like it the way he's doing it?

Juicy George · 12-06-2006, 04:48 PM

NO shutup! ;)

KrisKross · 12-06-2006, 05:56 PM

Surprise, surprise. An affiliate using stolen content to generate traffic and promoting AFF.

CaptainHowdy · 12-06-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Surprise, surprise. An affiliate using stolen content to generate traffic and promoting AFF.

I´m shocked...

dooglas · 12-06-2006, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrisKross

Surprise, surprise. An affiliate using stolen content to generate traffic and promoting AFF.

Hammer · 12-06-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

I smell jealousy. She seems to be enjoying herself. Id take my take my time licking that tight little puss too.

A woman pretending that she's enjoying herself for the camera, now there's a strange notion indeed.

RawAlex · 12-06-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Surprise, surprise. An affiliate using stolen content to generate traffic and promoting AFF.

I have found a pretty standard thing: If you have AFF / Cams and Adbrite on the same page... the chances that SOMETHING with the site isn't entirely right is about 75%. Weird, isn't it?

I wish AFF spent as much time patroling their affiliates as they do posting "we did great last month" threads.

SteveLightspeed · 12-06-2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I have found a pretty standard thing: If you have AFF / Cams and Adbrite on the same page... the chances that SOMETHING with the site isn't entirely right is about 75%. Weird, isn't it?

I wish AFF spent as much time patroling their affiliates as they do posting "we did great last month" threads.

Agree. And the "we didn't know that was illegally used content" excuse is pretty thin too.

One word, SHOOSHTIME

KrisKross · 12-06-2006, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Agree. And the "we didn't know that was illegally used content" excuse is pretty thin too.

One word, SHOOSHTIME

Lars has said many times on here that if he receives two legit complaints from copyright holders, he'll shitcan the affiliate's account.

If Lightspeed were to stand up and get these guys' AFF account closed, that would send a really awesome message. I'd personally love you forever if you made the appropriate complaints to AFF and got these guys' accounts closed.

Niktamer · 12-06-2006, 07:30 PM

Hi i'm nick one of hte owners of deviantclip and the crakmedia network.

First i want to apologize publicly for this misusing of your content, i was not aware of how precious those clip are for you.

clips are already removed.

We didn't steal the content , Lisa give us an account to pick content for promotion on dachix. I forwarded the infos to my media guys and told them not to use stuff longer than 1 min intro outro included. But i forgot to tell them to make sure clips are approved by lighspeedcash , so they saw the clips jumped on it, made some teasers and published them on deviantclip and you know the rest.

I know that we didn't respect the deal and since my worker represent me , i'm all guilty and i understand your mad at me. I broke your TOS and your were all in your right closing my account.

I work wit many sposnors around here and all can tell you that i'm a good guy and that always make good legitimate sales.

I'll be happy to prove you ,that i can work right and be a perfect affiliate.

I will contact you in the next few days, i understand you may be piss off enought to say no to any 2nd chance, but i'll try anyway cause i know we can do good biz and that i'm not a bad guy , even if i still use aff...

and Yeah jordan is hot as Hell and his husband is one lucky bastard, you are all jealous.

RawAlex · 12-06-2006, 07:58 PM

Nik, with all due respect, I think that also having the stuff on pages packed with other sponsors links and only a single link to lightspeed is a bit, well, abusive of the companies providing content. If you want to promote AFF or sell links to adbrite, let them provide content or go out and buy some.

For me, it is a total abuse of the free content setup.

RawAlex · 12-06-2006, 08:01 PM

http://www.dachix.com/?Show=Video&Id=519

1 minute 58 seconds... hosted on flurl? Only one link off to Twistys on the page...

I can't understand that a sponsor would tolerate this.

SteveLightspeed · 12-06-2006, 08:14 PM

The abuse was not only in the type and amount of content that was used, nor the ONLY ONE LINK ON THE PAGE to us, but he had the fucking balls to add his own url to it! That infuriates me to no end. He asked permission to do this, we allowed ONE as a TEST, and said no to any more long before Jordan's video surfaced. How did that turn us into his free content supply? FUCK THAT!!

And yes, I'm PISSED, I am considering suing him for copyright violations, to SEND A LOUD AND CLEAR MESSAGE to people that this is NOT A FUCKING GAME, and we are not going to sit idle and watch as our profits and ratios go to hell.

Enough is enough already. One large rolling head will make many of these little fuckers run for cover. AND HERE IT COMES.

Steve Lightspeed

Rochard · 12-06-2006, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

Did she even get married?!

Yes, she did in fact get married.

Niktamer · 12-06-2006, 08:25 PM

Steeve can you add me to icq so we can discuss it.

299-684-099.

KrisKross · 12-06-2006, 08:26 PM

After talking a little with Nick, I wanted to say I'm sorry for calling him a thief. This Lightspeed issue appears to be a big misunderstanding and hopefully Steve and Crakmedia will be able to resolve this amicably.

Niktamer · 12-06-2006, 08:37 PM

http://dachix.com/?Show=Video&Id=461

This clip was approved by Lisa and my media guy thinked he could do the same with any content, i forgot to tell him to get it approved.

My error , but we are not stealing content and i always respect the rules sponsors request me to fallow.

You can ask Lisa , I'm always pointing out site that steal your content and i'm working hard to make all those bloggers signup up to programs and promote the content they have on their sites wit hthe right banner and links.

Niktamer · 12-06-2006, 08:56 PM

and theres 3 links leading to lighspeed ,the title , the big thumbs and the banner, i know i have lots of tother stuff on the page but i know if the guy wanted to visit her site , he would click on the banner or pictures or type in the address.

We are already working on the new versions of the sites to make them more sponsors friendly, those set up are old and were made when we had no experience in the biz and we are totally aware that some of you dont like it.

We will make sure every sposnors we deal with are ok with the way we do it
as we did before this big mistake.

edgeprod · 12-06-2006, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

And yes, I'm PISSED, I am considering suing him for copyright violations, to SEND A LOUD AND CLEAR MESSAGE to people that this is NOT A FUCKING GAME, and we are not going to sit idle and watch as our profits and ratios go to hell.

Enough is enough already. One large rolling head will make many of these little fuckers run for cover. AND HERE IT COMES.

Your payouts must be HUGE or your conversions must be AMAZING. I've never promoted your program, so I'm just assuming this to be the case.

RawAlex · 12-06-2006, 09:03 PM

Niktamer · 12-06-2006, 09:35 PM

man , i dont know what you have against me , but all lightspeed clips on dachix have been approved by lisa and made good sales.

please let us clear the clip issue and then we can start a new topic on the legitimity of promoting content the way we do.

Scottie Apples · 12-06-2006, 09:49 PM

Here are my

I've worked with niktamer for years now and he has always been awesome with me. He's always asked me what content he can use before he uses it. If one of his workers fucked up and he admitted fault, then he should be forgiven in my opinion.

I also know Steve, and worked with his program for years too. I love both these guys, and hopefully it can all be worked out peacefully.

RawAlex · 12-06-2006, 09:50 PM

Knock yourself out.

NemesiS876 · 12-06-2006, 09:52 PM

mama mia ....

Tryme · 12-06-2006, 10:57 PM

Fry his ass Steve

RawAlex · 12-06-2006, 11:18 PM

As a side note, you might want to check out some of your "friends", they seem to make much of their money off of installing Seekmo.

Jace · 12-07-2006, 12:13 AM

dachix asked me for some content from our site one time I was about to give it to them, until I saw like 2 small and 1 medium sized links is all I would get on their page FULL of hundreds of other sponsor links....plus, they put their url on the beginning of each video, I am not down with that either

I never responded after I saw what a mess their sites were

RawAlex · 12-07-2006, 10:24 AM

I personally think that this sort of setup is bad for sponsors, and bad for affiliates that tend to follow the rules.

AdPatron · 12-07-2006, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Don't people know by now that you should NEVER lay on the comforters on hotel room beds?

especially after what happened in that room.

tranza · 12-07-2006, 02:17 PM

That first link is not working...

RawAlex · 12-07-2006, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza

That first link is not working...

perhaps if you read the entire thread you might know WHY it isn't working.

12-06-2006, 11:22 AM	#1
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	Jordan Capri: another video clip I found this. I know some were looking for it. Looks staged to me. Did she even get married?! Or was that staged too? http://www.deviantclip.com/Media-206...+Hardcore.html

12-06-2006, 11:32 AM	#2
devilspost Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampa yomebe -at- hotmail Posts: 3,980	thats hot __________________ Brothels and Escorts Worldwide.

12-06-2006, 11:35 AM	#3
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12-06-2006, 12:06 PM	#7
Vite Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: PANAMA Posts: 278	Nasty crap, I wonder if people get the crabs from motel rooms.... __________________

12-06-2006, 12:05 PM	#6
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Oh well.. that is 1 minute and 1:29 that let's the cat completely out of the bag. Steve, is this clip approved for affiliate promotions, especially on pages packed with other programs on it?

12-06-2006, 12:16 PM	#8
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12-06-2006, 04:25 PM	#17
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12-06-2006, 04:36 PM	#18
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12-06-2006, 05:56 PM	#20
KrisKross Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5,025	Surprise, surprise. An affiliate using stolen content to generate traffic and promoting AFF. __________________

12-06-2006, 07:30 PM	#27
Niktamer Lord of the Leads Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,021	Hi i'm nick one of hte owners of deviantclip and the crakmedia network. First i want to apologize publicly for this misusing of your content, i was not aware of how precious those clip are for you. clips are already removed. We didn't steal the content , Lisa give us an account to pick content for promotion on dachix. I forwarded the infos to my media guys and told them not to use stuff longer than 1 min intro outro included. But i forgot to tell them to make sure clips are approved by lighspeedcash , so they saw the clips jumped on it, made some teasers and published them on deviantclip and you know the rest. I know that we didn't respect the deal and since my worker represent me , i'm all guilty and i understand your mad at me. I broke your TOS and your were all in your right closing my account. I work wit many sposnors around here and all can tell you that i'm a good guy and that always make good legitimate sales. I'll be happy to prove you ,that i can work right and be a perfect affiliate. I will contact you in the next few days, i understand you may be piss off enought to say no to any 2nd chance, but i'll try anyway cause i know we can do good biz and that i'm not a bad guy , even if i still use aff... and Yeah jordan is hot as Hell and his husband is one lucky bastard, you are all jealous. __________________

12-06-2006, 07:58 PM	#28
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Nik, with all due respect, I think that also having the stuff on pages packed with other sponsors links and only a single link to lightspeed is a bit, well, abusive of the companies providing content. If you want to promote AFF or sell links to adbrite, let them provide content or go out and buy some. For me, it is a total abuse of the free content setup.

12-06-2006, 08:01 PM	#29
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	http://www.dachix.com/?Show=Video&Id=519 1 minute 58 seconds... hosted on flurl? Only one link off to Twistys on the page... I can't understand that a sponsor would tolerate this.

12-06-2006, 08:14 PM	#30
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	The abuse was not only in the type and amount of content that was used, nor the ONLY ONE LINK ON THE PAGE to us, but he had the fucking balls to add his own url to it! That infuriates me to no end. He asked permission to do this, we allowed ONE as a TEST, and said no to any more long before Jordan's video surfaced. How did that turn us into his free content supply? FUCK THAT!! And yes, I'm PISSED, I am considering suing him for copyright violations, to SEND A LOUD AND CLEAR MESSAGE to people that this is NOT A FUCKING GAME, and we are not going to sit idle and watch as our profits and ratios go to hell. Enough is enough already. One large rolling head will make many of these little fuckers run for cover. AND HERE IT COMES. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

12-06-2006, 08:25 PM	#32
Niktamer Lord of the Leads Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,021	Steeve can you add me to icq so we can discuss it. 299-684-099. __________________

12-06-2006, 08:26 PM	#33
KrisKross Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5,025	After talking a little with Nick, I wanted to say I'm sorry for calling him a thief. This Lightspeed issue appears to be a big misunderstanding and hopefully Steve and Crakmedia will be able to resolve this amicably. __________________

12-06-2006, 08:37 PM	#34
Niktamer Lord of the Leads Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,021	http://dachix.com/?Show=Video&Id=461 This clip was approved by Lisa and my media guy thinked he could do the same with any content, i forgot to tell him to get it approved. My error , but we are not stealing content and i always respect the rules sponsors request me to fallow. You can ask Lisa , I'm always pointing out site that steal your content and i'm working hard to make all those bloggers signup up to programs and promote the content they have on their sites wit hthe right banner and links. __________________

12-06-2006, 08:56 PM	#35
Niktamer Lord of the Leads Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,021	and theres 3 links leading to lighspeed ,the title , the big thumbs and the banner, i know i have lots of tother stuff on the page but i know if the guy wanted to visit her site , he would click on the banner or pictures or type in the address. We are already working on the new versions of the sites to make them more sponsors friendly, those set up are old and were made when we had no experience in the biz and we are totally aware that some of you dont like it. We will make sure every sposnors we deal with are ok with the way we do it as we did before this big mistake. __________________

12-06-2006, 09:03 PM	#37
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. 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12-06-2006, 09:35 PM	#38
Niktamer Lord of the Leads Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,021	man , i dont know what you have against me , but all lightspeed clips on dachix have been approved by lisa and made good sales. please let us clear the clip issue and then we can start a new topic on the legitimity of promoting content the way we do. __________________

12-06-2006, 09:49 PM	#39
Scottie Apples Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Phoenix Posts: 463	Here are my I've worked with niktamer for years now and he has always been awesome with me. He's always asked me what content he can use before he uses it. If one of his workers fucked up and he admitted fault, then he should be forgiven in my opinion. I also know Steve, and worked with his program for years too. I love both these guys, and hopefully it can all be worked out peacefully. __________________ Scott - [email protected] ICQ# 254538944 http://www.applecash.com

12-06-2006, 09:50 PM	#40
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Knock yourself out.

12-06-2006, 09:52 PM	#41
NemesiS876 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,436	mama mia ....

12-06-2006, 10:57 PM	#42
Tryme Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 596	Fry his ass Steve

12-06-2006, 11:18 PM	#43
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	As a side note, you might want to check out some of your "friends", they seem to make much of their money off of installing Seekmo.

12-07-2006, 12:13 AM	#44
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	dachix asked me for some content from our site one time I was about to give it to them, until I saw like 2 small and 1 medium sized links is all I would get on their page FULL of hundreds of other sponsor links....plus, they put their url on the beginning of each video, I am not down with that either I never responded after I saw what a mess their sites were

12-07-2006, 10:24 AM	#45
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I personally think that this sort of setup is bad for sponsors, and bad for affiliates that tend to follow the rules.

12-07-2006, 02:17 PM	#47
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	That first link is not working... __________________ I'm just a newbie.