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Why hasn't anyone answered the question about what happenes to the "unverified" sales money?
Do they get refunded? If not, who gets to keep them? John? Buddy? |
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Wouldn't carders rather get $40 on a paid trial then $20 on a free trial? Why difference does it make to them? They're stealing anyway. |
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Why would free trials be worse fraud-wise? $20 vs $40 ? what would you rather take? |
Anyway, fuck all that.
They want to use that bullshit "anti-fraud" crap? Whatever... I've already redirected most of my traffic away from them, and will redirect the rest soon. |
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Here are my stats since Flashcash switched to Nats
1450 signups 1308 verified signups But the thing is I don't receive instant payments so the excuse that this extra fraud control needs to be put in place because Flashcash pays instantly does not not apply to accounts such as mine. |
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I wish I had more fraud answers for you. But honestly it's bad. 85-90% of my refunds due to fraud members or webmasters. With CB's, most of those members never logged in, refunds is a different story. |
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That whole log in thing is bullshit too. Surfer signs up holding a dick in his hand and doesn't log it? Right... |
there are too many unanswered questions about all that.
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It's safe to say, before fraud, traffic quality, ect.. That about 10% don't login for whatever reason. Almost ALL my chargebacks never logged in. FC is a bit bigger than me, so I'm sure they have a few more problems with it than I do. |
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BTW, DarkJedi, you didnt specify any dates for the stats you posted... are they all from the same period? All time? Cant tell if each row is for each site or particular dates. Just curious. |
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how about switching this system for the people you can trust? is it possible? As for the only program with free trials and instant payments. What are those Instant payments for if our ratios went down with them. Webmasters need cash first imho. I can wait till the end of period or make a hold time. Just let me know why others dont do that? Processors are using their ant-fraud systems why do we need another one? Quote:
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However.. It seems to me from this part of the TOS: Flashcash pays for sales where the buyer logs in at least once to the site purchased. Based on years of data, if the surfer doesn't log in, the sale will normally credit or chargeback, so no payment is made. That the policy is to simply not pay affiliates even if the payment ends up being a good one. How long does the surfer have to log in? I understand the issue of not knowing what the "fraud protection" is doing. For all we know, it could also be monitoring the free to paid conversion and not verifying if a WMs ratio gets too bad. We should at least be informed if this is the case or not. Flashcash needs to clarify the policies and the TOS. |
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the best thing i read in this whole thread |
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That is another part of the deal... how long does a surfer have to signup AND log in to make the signup valid? Let's say he joins up, and as he hits the join button, wifey comes into the room and he quickly surfs off to CNN. Wifey never leaves, and instead lures him off to watch a movie or take out the garbage or something. So he doesn't log on until the next time he is alone at the PC, say, 4 days later.
Was he a valid sale? Or would his failure to log on rapidly after the signup process suggest an invalid signup and therefore the webmaster doesn't get credited, even if he in factis a valid and paying member? It would seem to me that this is a very important question! |
If it's INSTANT payouts on FREE signups, then I can understand the policy...I don't know if DJ gets paid instantly or not but if he isn't, he should have the right to not have his account scrubbed as hard as a free instant payout affiliate.
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I guess 1 sale + 1 sale no longer = 2 sales..
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The total signup count will always be shown and once a signup is verified it is added into stats on the day it is verified. Nothing ever disappears. So, you could in effect have more verified signups for a day than you do unverified. |
sounds like "legalized" shaving imho...
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because there are more verivied then unverivied 1 day per month maybe?usually 20-30% are sha... unverified :disgust |
I just checked my all time stats with FlashCash..
25% of my PAID TRIAL signups don't verify. |
And the story goes like this.....
NATS comes along and markets to the WEBMASTERS.....they know that webmasters HATE shaving...so they market to them as "shave proof" and the wembasters just can't get enough of it. Program owners then feel the pressure to move to NATS, whether they like it or not..... NATS feels they rule the adult industry and starts making the rules...program owner that use the software have NO CHOICE but to follow the rules... NATS gets way too much authority....and the tide changes...not only do they have way too much authority...they demand more....and then webmasters sees sales drop....because NATS has once again decided to make changes in HOW many sales program owners can pay out... And then you hear someone whisper in the background "be careful what you wish for, but you just may get it" Appears their "anti-shave program" prevents shaving...but also prevents you from getting paid on sign-ups you should be paid for. To be continued..... |
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It also doesn't seem to consider the concept of someone who signs up and never visits the site, but continues to pay. That would be 1 for the program, I guess. If all of this is to do instant payouts, then let me just say that instant payouts are about as useful as a case of beer at an AA meeting. |
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I don't do, never did and never will do biz with people I don't trust. Trust is the keyfuture for me to promote a program: trust in the people who run it and the sites they make. And what software they use? I don't give a shit! And saying or suggesting "we don't shave because or software doesn't allow us to" just places a big red flag after the name for me. |
John, could you clarify one thing for me, I probably just missed it. Does this extra scrub affect all sales or just instant payout sales?
Is this additional scrub something that could be turned off if a company thought the initial scrub was sufficient? |
I'm missing why this thread is still a big deal?
This is a money program, like any other programs, program. Programs can't just use it, and the program has to state its being used. Since this is currently being used for "FREE" signups mostly, you wouldn't be paid on those anyway. And since the "program" has set the pay rules to pay at that point, what is the problem? The program and NATS aren't hiding anything, you should be happy. |
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So bad as to hardly be believable. I actually think my account was disabled for some reason but noone will tell me. |
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Do 25% of your signups get trashed after they've gone thru ccbill etc.? |
id like to get some more information on this as well
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I see that Dark Jedi is still an ass munch, always out to stir up shit and try to make programs look bad.
Buddy offered several times to speak with you privately and answer all of your questions about the program and you refused to contact him, instead choosing to try and make him look bad in public. You're a pathetic attention whore. |
this is what happens to an industry that continues to cater to the lowest common denominator. More free porn, higher payouts, higher payouts, weekly payouts, daily payouts, INSTANT payouts!
when I started out as a free site webmaster I conducted myself as a businessman, I only dealt with other businessmen. I was paid monthly. I wasn't in business to score beer money by the end of the day. Instant payouts? Here's an idea, program owners, conduct your business the way that would make your grandparents proud of your ethics. Affiliates, stop acting like you're in this business until next week. No offense to FC, they are providing a service someone thinks is necissary. Its a sad commentary on the state of the industry that we're foolish enough to think its necissary, and even sadder that we accomodate it. |
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