What this dude is going through is FRAUD by a gang of people who have access to numerous women credit cards...

I saw it going on with my site and to cover my ass, I immediately emailed ccbill about what I thought was going on....I told them the exact situation of how the signups were generated, the style, etc. etc...I asked them to look into my account and verify...They then told me that I would have to provide them with the affiliates that I thought were fraudulent...

I DIDN'T ASK them to look into the individual affiliates...Mainly because there were a multitude of them that signed up and they were spreading the signups over all of them....I asked them to look at my overall sales for those recent days and to see if they notice anything fucked up going on...I guess it doesn't work that way.....So after I provided them with a list of affiliates that I thought were bad, all they did was tell me that they can suspend the accounts if I want...I CAN DO THAT SHIT MY FUCKING SELF!...So I went in and cancelled 14 affiliates that were doing it and marked all of them as "possible fraud".

I then started a thread on gfy about it where I saw the same thing happening to DirtyD of howigotrich and I needed to contact him...The thread is here https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/677858-urgently-speak-owner-tampa-bukakke.html . I talked to him, which he can verify, and he cancelled his fraud accounts and I cancelled mine... One of the sites where this very fraud is going on with ccbill sites is www.bergdorf-goodman.net , where they'll throw up banners to the sites that they're currently defrauding to make it look like they're sending traffic, then they run the credit cards through all the accounts.

I don't know if the affiliates got paid for the fraud with my account or not...And also, they sign up so many times, I'm sure that it's difficult to catch all of them that signup...In fact, while I was writing this, yet another one of them signed up...I'll give the whole info cause I know it's fraud:

Affiliate ID: 1403219
First name: Ruth
Last name: Hightower
Name on check: Ruth Hightower
Company:
Domain: http://iowasexoffender.us

Now look at that shit! Those are the kinds of url's they signup from...And since they sign up all day every day, I won't be able to catch all of them...Then they'll be sending the same bullshit signups and eventually I could get hit with mega chargebacks and then I gotta deal with somebody from ccbill emailing me about how "dumbfounded" he is about all of it? I'll be GOTDAMNED if I let that shit happen...

I guess I'll be bookmarking this thread also for further use...I'm doing everything I can to cover my ass and people are apathetic about it until the chargebacks roll in.

This is VISA and CCBill's problem about stolen credit cards.
I don't understand why they always have a conclusion that it is affiliate's fraud.

You have affiliates? My guess would be that one of them is carding you.

I think my problem look like BVF

Start offering a good quality product that your customers dont feel the need to ask for there money back would be an idea :2 cents:

good info! best thread today!

Wanna make a site die?
We offer chargebacks services, pricing starting from $5 per chargeback, up to 200 a day.

I remember reading something like that in a forum a few weeks ago :1orglaugh

How can you protect your site ?
CCbill can help something for me?

YOU ARE 1 ABSOLUTE IDIOT.

A hacker will just fuckin steal your fucking files with out using a card.
stop blaming a " HACKER"

Its you.

Your allowing dirty affiliates
Your Webpage is designed to defraud people using old school marketing tactics.

You know exactly whats going on.


Your a greedy little piece of shit who deserves to get his merchant account taken away.

that really sucks!!!!

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Aren't you the nicest person. He said his english sucks. When he says hacker he probably means passwordtraders or something. And as far as I have seen his tours there is nothing unusual about it. Marketing technics? Well duh! What are you a disgrunted surfer who feels he has been ripped of by a paysite?

I looked at your site and can only add to the choir. You are making a BIG mistake offering a $14.95 price point and defaulting to $69.95. Most people do not read and if I had a $69.95 charge when I expected $14.95 I would be pissed. Same logic if the charge was $29.95 when I expected $14.95.

If fraud is your intent then you should be canceled. If not either change the default to $14.95 or make it clear the the charge will be $29.95. This is the type of sales crap that caused all the issues and restrictions Visa has placed on the industry.

No, most of your chargebacks are coming from Vietnam cocksuckers who share stolen credit card databases.

You need to HAND VERIFY EACH SIGNUP YOU GET through CCBill..

So much shit passes through there scrubbing, due to proxies, and the carders.

We asian niche sites are VERY prone to these vietnam cocksuckers.

Check your signups, track the IP, if it doesn't match the same city, I'd credit the charge, it's worked for us very well. It's more labor intensive, but it's worth it in the long run, as your CB problem will disappear.

Yeah... true! Change that at ONCE, even though you've had it like that before! Just change it!

And add some passwordtrading/linkprotecting scripts!

True this^^^

That is some interesting point. Didn't know that the asian sites are the target of a very special group of carders out there.

It's not your problem, it's THEIR problem, they should improve their fraud protection system instead of threatening their customers.

It's definately the problem of the merchant, not the billing gateway. It's clearly stated that way in all processing contracts.

Thanks .. Yes ! my english so Suck .. I mean HACKER is passwordtrader or something like that. I Void a lot of Women CreditCard. My site got a lot of Women CreditCard. I will use more script to protect it.

Du you have any great Protection Script to suggest ?

not sure EXACTLY what your issue is. If is password sharing
issues try http://www.proxypass.com/
(sounds like what you need)
I know unseen Japan has been around for
very long time are u the original owner ?
Seems strange that you are experiencing your first
issues with password traders and fraud issues with CC right now ?
I am assuming you have been warned before and this is the last
draw with CCbill ? Am I right ?
Asian sites especially the non-N.America ones are major
targets for fraudulent activities .
Good Luck

Funny how many people missed that he doesn't actually allow the $69.95 signups and that he just added that option before he made this thread...

i say keep the 69.95 on unseen japan!!
i checked ccbill stats for november and i found one single for 34.97
and one rebill for 14.97
i see no chargebacks or refunds on my side

and tell TIM we want more hosted galleries!!

webgurl :) I'm original owner of unseenjapan and i have problem before
I try everything to fix that problem .. Ccbill tell me before about this
I try to VOID all account that can make chargeback .. but a lot of Passwd Trader signup to my site .. and i get a lot of CB too .. I will talk with CCBILL again about CCBILL can help something for me ? .. If you have any idea Please help me...

I'm not good in english .. sorry

I use Proxypass already.. But i think Proxypass cant fix this problem

and Doctor Feelgood :) i will tell tim to make more hosted gallery

Its simple.... as a sponsor you look for evidence of fraud and tell ccbill what going on...cover your ass.

we had a shit load of "new" affiliates in a few days ...all women and all .us or .net url's... they rip offs of others TGP's etc ..then they send one hit to one sale and a lot of the so called new members were women ( who got their handbag stolen) its not hard to spot... tell ccbill and make them act....

Unfortunately, with chargeback ratio that high, you would be very lucky to get another processor on board. The main thing we look at when taking on new merchants is the trading/chargeback ratios.

Regards

Vince

interesting thread

BVF thanks for the heads up. Looking at CCBILL now, would it be womens names on the join form?

They're mostly women but every once in awhile, the new fraudulent affiliate will be a man...but 99.99% of the surfer signups are women and it always includes the woman's last name in the username. They also use .us .net and .org domains that are ripoffs of larger sites like what dude said in a few posts above me.

Checked CCBILL and our stats and everything looks fine. :thumbsup

We are all working in the dark and guessing. You need to get a couple of EXPERTS to help and give them access to your back end and your site.

They need to see what's the problem, when it started, where it's coming from and build a solution. Us guessing what the problem is, is no help to you.

If it just started or recent then you may have a fraud problem and you need to identify who sent the traffic. If it's long term then you need to address it and that will mean giving members easier access to get a refund and probably finding out why they asked for the charge back in the first place.

Stupid question but have you tried mailing the people doing the charge backs and asking them why?

We get 0.3% CB so never been a problem.

I read several suggestions but none of them would stop a pro carder, still it's ok for newbies.

I would recommend anyway to:
- compare country and state of signup ip with country and state of signup form
- compare join ip location with logins ip location
- compare country of credit card bin with country of ip and country on join form
- validate email address
- validate phone number using online phone books

Again this won't stop a pro carder but still better than nothing.

My 2 cents



One good free tool for manual lookups is this:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/pages/merchant.htm

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Once upon a time there was a thing called proxy

Yeah kinda sucks but not as bad as PayCom's

MyVirtualCard had a decent one, wonder if they owe the coders as much as they owe affiliates :1orglaugh

Awempire's site LiveJasmin has a very good antifraud system! thumbs up for them!

GFY is full of VERY mean spirited people :2 cents:

rick, do you have contact information? icq or email address?

can i move old rebill and customer in CCbill to new Creditcard Processor?
Could you suggest Great other Creditcard processor ?

Do you mean..... ME???

No Tim is my friend , and tim make timcash :)

ahhh Sorry :) yes Tim .. you are my friend ha ha

These answers have my vote:

and:

and BVFs post on the first page.

Porbably the best you can do right now is stay in touch with CCBILL ALL THE TIME, make sure that they know that you're doing your best to resolve the issue.

Good luck !!!