MIVA - Most worthless se traffic EVER!!! - GoFuckYourself.com

Paparazzi · 11-26-2006, 12:23 AM

According to miva I had 202 clicks one day, so I checked my server stats and guess what 37 visits...WTF!!! I need to contact them about this pure bullshit! Is this click fraud or can someone suggest what to do? According to lobby about 40 clicks, but in report manager 202...also one day 5 clicks next day 40, next 0, next 40 ehhh?

I tried overture before with the same ads and the traffic was pure GOLD, but they stopped my ad because they do not allow gambling

spasmo · 11-26-2006, 12:32 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I was about to give them a try and now I'll pass, unless I hear from others that they've had a positive experience.

You just saved me some money.

WiredGuy · 11-26-2006, 12:55 AM

Take a look at the bids going around Miva, there's a reason they're only hovering at the minimum...

WG

Daruma · 11-26-2006, 01:00 AM

lesson here...
there are no cheap traffic shortcuts..

thebossxxx · 11-26-2006, 02:59 AM

SE Traffic takes time and is extremely difficult...

Paparazzi · 11-26-2006, 03:54 AM

so is this click fraud or did miva just fuck up in the admin?

Also with overture, is it impossible to send temp login to pornsite when I submit the site? I don't see any fields to fill in the info. Now I have to do it separate after each submit and it's a pain in the ass

WiredGuy · 11-26-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

so is this click fraud or did miva just fuck up in the admin?

Also with overture, is it impossible to send temp login to pornsite when I submit the site? I don't see any fields to fill in the info. Now I have to do it separate after each submit and it's a pain in the ass

No, that's just how their quality is. You can always assess an SE's quality by the bid rates, when everyone is at the minimum that's not a good sign.

For overture, you need to submit a password each time, either via the contact us form or you can wait until they contact you.
WG

pocketkangaroo · 11-26-2006, 10:25 AM

Any of the 2nd and 3rd tier PPC engines are riddled with bad traffic and click fraud. They don't have the traffic that others have, so they have to take on some very shady partners.

But still, with PPC, you can't just look at it as finding the fraud. You have to look at it from an ROI perspective. If you are paying $1.00 on Yahoo and $0.10 on MIVA, and the MIVA traffic is 80% shit, you're still not getting a bad deal out of it. Test it out and see what your ROI is.

DaddyHalbucks · 11-26-2006, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Any of the 2nd and 3rd tier PPC engines are riddled with bad traffic and click fraud. They don't have the traffic that others have, so they have to take on some very shady partners.

But still, with PPC, you can't just look at it as finding the fraud. You have to look at it from an ROI perspective. If you are paying $1.00 on Yahoo and $0.10 on MIVA, and the MIVA traffic is 80% shit, you're still not getting a bad deal out of it. Test it out and see what your ROI is.

What he said.

DaddyHalbucks · 11-26-2006, 10:52 AM

Generally I don't bother with the PPC search engines.

The top tier players are expensive --and it is very hard to get approved, even for clear perfect matches between purchased keywords and advertised sites. There is no appeal.

The second and third tier engines have crappy traffic.

So, either way, you lose.

Paparazzi · 11-26-2006, 10:56 PM

thanks guys

spasmo, glad I could help

BradM · 11-26-2006, 10:57 PM

Miva aka Findwhat has the most worthless "se" traffic.
It's pure hitbot these days, absolute fraud.

Goclick, Miva and Kanoodle - AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS.
All deposits are just donations to their company, basically.

Missie · 11-26-2006, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

According to miva I had 202 clicks one day, so I checked my server stats and guess what 37 visits...WTF!!! I need to contact them about this pure bullshit! Is this click fraud or can someone suggest what to do? According to lobby about 40 clicks, but in report manager 202...also one day 5 clicks next day 40, next 0, next 40 ehhh?

I tried overture before with the same ads and the traffic was pure GOLD, but they stopped my ad because they do not allow gambling

I've had my share of fights with FindWhat/Miva. Haven't used them in over a year. Their partnership affiliations with adware is unreal. My guess would be that the majority of their traffic comes from adware/spyware. One of the worst out there for sure. I posted in one of the million zango threads about ppc and their relation to adware/spyware and Miva was definitely in the pack.

With 3rd tier ppc you also get many of the search portals that get advertised via pay per read email programs. And don't forget click bots and clickers for hire. Worthless traffic and a total waste of money.

Overture is no stranger to this behavior either... and their clicks cost a LOT more money.

With ANY ppc, including Google Adwords, always keep a close eye on your stats and/or weblogs. If you use more than one ppc, check them all for the same IP's or sources around the same times. That's how many of them are caught, although far from being the only way.

As for adware/spyware sources you'll more than likely find abcsearch, quickbrowsersearch, look2me, mygeek, zango, coolwebsearch and many others. All adware/spyware sources or traffic providers to adware, all worthless.

That's why it's very dangerous for those who have zango on their computers and get popups on various sites to jump to conclusions. It may not necessarily be an affiliate or sponsor using zango, it could be a ppc ad and they don't even know that their ad is being shown that way.

Missie

rowan · 11-26-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Paparazzi

According to miva I had 202 clicks one day, so I checked my server stats and guess what 37 visits...WTF!!!

Are your server stats generated from the web server logs, or a third party javascript counter? Are you using a unique landing page which can track loads that have a blocked referer?

bdld · 11-27-2006, 01:06 AM

you could ask them to do a "traffic review" and in a few days they'll get back to you and refund any amount they feel was click-fraud. i doubt they'll return a penny though.

Paparazzi · 11-27-2006, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rowan

Are your server stats generated from the web server logs, or a third party javascript counter? Are you using a unique landing page which can track loads that have a blocked referer?

generated from the web server logs, no third party bs counter. I only have one page on this domain

Dirty Dane · 11-27-2006, 01:20 AM

that sucks

northboy · 11-27-2006, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BradM

Miva aka Findwhat has the most worthless "se" traffic.
It's pure hitbot these days, absolute fraud.

Goclick, Miva and Kanoodle - AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS.
All deposits are just donations to their company, basically.

100% correct, and to think I've tried them in other industries as well with the same results. I can't believe they still operate, they are horrible. I deposited $500 and had it depleted in less than 12 hours with 0 sales. I checked my stats, over 75% of the traffic wasn't even real, tons of ips in the same ranges, obvious click bot traffic.

11-26-2006, 12:23 AM	#1
Paparazzi Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,488	MIVA - Most worthless se traffic EVER!!! According to miva I had 202 clicks one day, so I checked my server stats and guess what 37 visits...WTF!!! I need to contact them about this pure bullshit! Is this click fraud or can someone suggest what to do? According to lobby about 40 clicks, but in report manager 202...also one day 5 clicks next day 40, next 0, next 40 ehhh? I tried overture before with the same ads and the traffic was pure GOLD, but they stopped my ad because they do not allow gambling __________________ Pure Level(3) Premium Bandwidth When Quality Counts

11-26-2006, 12:32 AM	#2
spasmo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Couch Posts: 2,678	Thanks for the heads up. I was about to give them a try and now I'll pass, unless I hear from others that they've had a positive experience. You just saved me some money. __________________ Surfers: Go here for hot babes.

11-26-2006, 12:55 AM	#3
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	Take a look at the bids going around Miva, there's a reason they're only hovering at the minimum... WG __________________ I play with Google.

11-26-2006, 01:00 AM	#4
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11-26-2006, 03:54 AM	#6
Paparazzi Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,488	so is this click fraud or did miva just fuck up in the admin? Also with overture, is it impossible to send temp login to pornsite when I submit the site? I don't see any fields to fill in the info. Now I have to do it separate after each submit and it's a pain in the ass __________________ Pure Level(3) Premium Bandwidth When Quality Counts

11-26-2006, 10:25 AM	#8
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Any of the 2nd and 3rd tier PPC engines are riddled with bad traffic and click fraud. They don't have the traffic that others have, so they have to take on some very shady partners. But still, with PPC, you can't just look at it as finding the fraud. You have to look at it from an ROI perspective. If you are paying $1.00 on Yahoo and $0.10 on MIVA, and the MIVA traffic is 80% shit, you're still not getting a bad deal out of it. Test it out and see what your ROI is.

11-26-2006, 10:52 AM	#10
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	Generally I don't bother with the PPC search engines. The top tier players are expensive --and it is very hard to get approved, even for clear perfect matches between purchased keywords and advertised sites. There is no appeal. The second and third tier engines have crappy traffic. So, either way, you lose. __________________ Boner Money

11-26-2006, 10:56 PM	#11
Paparazzi Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,488	thanks guys spasmo, glad I could help __________________ Pure Level(3) Premium Bandwidth When Quality Counts

11-26-2006, 10:57 PM	#12
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Miva aka Findwhat has the most worthless "se" traffic. It's pure hitbot these days, absolute fraud. Goclick, Miva and Kanoodle - AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS. All deposits are just donations to their company, basically.

11-27-2006, 01:06 AM	#15
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	you could ask them to do a "traffic review" and in a few days they'll get back to you and refund any amount they feel was click-fraud. i doubt they'll return a penny though.

11-27-2006, 01:20 AM	#17
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	that sucks