Bigger issue than Zango... AFF shaves! - GoFuckYourself.com

rollinthunder · 11-24-2006, 12:46 AM

Well if they are involved in this Zango conspiracy, who would actually trust that their stats would be accurate?

Not like you can even do a test order, since they provide no data to the affiliate, no way to confirm anything.

Tryme · 11-24-2006, 12:47 AM

Zango = 5-10% shave

Philip G · 11-24-2006, 12:52 AM

LOL...

I was thinking exactly the same thing before I saw this thread.

Fucking cheaters and scammers...in the end will just be losers.

Shoehorn! · 11-24-2006, 12:55 AM

This might be a long thread.

WiredGuy · 11-24-2006, 12:57 AM

What you mean they don't provide data? You can see hits, profiles, sales, etc...?
WG

Preacher · 11-24-2006, 12:58 AM

I pulled down all of my AFF/Cams.com links a few days ago because of the zango shit

jscott · 11-24-2006, 01:03 AM

i'm delinking AFF

livechat · 11-24-2006, 01:05 AM

Zango is big shit, but I don't think AFF is shaving anyone, if they were, we would already got to see some stats showing it

Preacher · 11-24-2006, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by livechat

Zango is big shit, but I don't think AFF is shaving anyone, if they were, we would already got to see some stats showing it

taking away your zango(wned) traffic is not shaving?

will76 · 11-24-2006, 01:18 AM

LOL you guys post 100x to my 1 about AFF yet Lars only jumps my shit and calls me a hypocrite, broke, attention whore, etc.. etc.. etc..

Where is Lars these days ?

monro · 11-24-2006, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rollinthunder

Well if they are involved in this Zango conspiracy, who would actually trust that their stats would be accurate?

Not like you can even do a test order, since they provide no data to the affiliate, no way to confirm anything.

martinsc · 11-24-2006, 01:38 AM

sig spot....

monro · 11-24-2006, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

What you mean they don't provide data? You can see hits, profiles, sales, etc...?
WG

It's what they let you see. No third party billing.

Dagwolf · 11-24-2006, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rollinthunder

Well if they are involved in this Zango conspiracy, who would actually trust that their stats would be accurate?

Not like you can even do a test order, since they provide no data to the affiliate, no way to confirm anything.

Post proof or be banned, that's the rule I think.

Not that I'm a mod or anything.

monro · 11-24-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

Post proof or be banned, that's the rule I think.

Not that I'm a mod or anything.

He is not saying that they shave, just that it is possible as they admit shaving by the use of Zango. Of course some people will be banned here soon including myself. But it is better to be banned here than just swallow to be stolen from. I think that it is written somewhere: " you shalt not steal."

starpimps · 11-24-2006, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

LOL you guys post 100x to my 1 about AFF yet Lars only jumps my shit and calls me a hypocrite, broke, attention whore, etc.. etc.. etc..

Where is Lars these days ?

hes hiding

grumpy · 11-24-2006, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Preacher

I pulled down all of my AFF/Cams.com links a few days ago because of the zango shit

we are working on it.
For exmaple they came with the big..ingrease your sales with xxx% and win prices. We improved sales by a 100%. Never heard of them. Fuck aff.

monro · 11-24-2006, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by starpimps

hes hiding

Hiding here:

ffmihai · 11-24-2006, 02:46 AM

aff always payed me well and also payed the xx% in time with no problems!

monro · 11-24-2006, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ffmihai

aff always payed me well

How do you know? Some inside information you could share?

scottybuzz · 11-24-2006, 04:17 AM

just to let you know i have done a test signup with cams.com and it worked.

marko13 · 11-24-2006, 04:49 AM

post some stats....

Tuga · 11-24-2006, 04:57 AM

AFF stats are the worst in the industry. For a good reason.

LadyMischief · 11-24-2006, 05:53 AM

while I applaud the cause, you people are only focusing on Zango. If everyone would realize that Zango (180 solutions) is NOT the only company/software that does this, there's more in the range of 40 different companies that do this... think of the impact of those _40_ some-odd programs are having on traffic these days.

Corona · 11-24-2006, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

while I applaud the cause, you people are only focusing on Zango. If everyone would realize that Zango (180 solutions) is NOT the only company/software that does this, there's more in the range of 40 different companies that do this... think of the impact of those _40_ some-odd programs are having on traffic these days.

True. However, it is better to focus on one company instead of splitting the effort 40 ways.

Ultimately I think all the effort will be time wasted. I am still considering promoting Zango and the other 40+ scumbags until things get so bad that the government has no choice but to step in and shut them down.

RawAlex · 11-24-2006, 06:13 AM

The lack of an official AFF response in threads like this make me wonder who decides their public relations moves.

Whoever it is, they aren't earning their fur hat allotment.

LadyMischief · 11-24-2006, 06:18 AM

Stupid double posts.

LadyMischief · 11-24-2006, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Corona

True. However, it is better to focus on one company instead of splitting the effort 40 ways.

Ultimately I think all the effort will be time wasted. I am still considering promoting Zango and the other 40+ scumbags until things get so bad that the government has no choice but to step in and shut them down.

You're missing the point... do the math and think of what percentage of traffic is affected by these programs as a whole before they even get to you, and you soon realize that as much as 40% of traffic is currently going into the adware chasm without being productive. If Zango is only 1-2% of traffic, remember they all add up. While it's a noble cause to go after one, it's only going to mean that when that one is gone, there's 39 or so left to fight.

RawAlex · 11-24-2006, 06:29 AM

Yup... but Ladymischief, although I take alexa rankings and stats with a grain of salt, there is some proof there. The reach of AFF is down 25% this month from last, and I can't help but think that webmasters de-linking them is part of that reduction, especially in the face of apparently increased spending.

Other programs should take note: You too could suddenly lose a ton of traffic for playing with the wrong people. Zango is only one of many, but the warning applies evenly across all of these sorts of things.

corvette · 11-24-2006, 06:52 AM

The thread title makes it sound like you know they are shaving when your post speculates that you think they may do it (you had an exclamation point in the title but a question mark in your first post)

The people calling for an AFF response, the thread has been going for around 6 hours, and on the west coast its still very early + it’s a holiday, I just woke up after passing out early last night after Thanksgiving Dinner, so I woke up at 6am and thought I would check out gfy…

I glanced at the alexa rankings for aff a few weeks ago (I cant pull alexa up right now) and imo it did not appear to have changed recently, the trend looked consistent from the end of last year

I try to stay out of threads like this but thought I would make the above points, with all due respect

jayeff · 11-24-2006, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief

while I applaud the cause, you people are only focusing on Zango. If everyone would realize that Zango (180 solutions) is NOT the only company/software that does this, there's more in the range of 40 different companies that do this... think of the impact of those _40_ some-odd programs are having on traffic these days.

You are absolutely right and it is a point I have made several times. The scumware apologists attempt to play down this issue by using this approach to their own advantage.

On the other hand, even if it were possible to organize a strategy instead of having to make do with the uncertainties of board drama, it likely would be sensible to focus on one target at a time. In terms of this board at least, that could mean AFF, cams.com and by extension, Zango.

StuBradley · 11-24-2006, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Where is Lars these days ?

My guess would be he's shacking up with Michael Richards, laying low and riding out the storm. He knows you guys will forget about this shit in a month or two.

HighSociety · 11-24-2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

just to let you know i have done a test signup with cams.com and it worked.

LOL a test sign-up.

is that whay you call it, buy some dvd's and see if we shave.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 11-24-2006, 07:07 AM

popcorn anyone?

sig spotting...........

jacklaidlaw · 11-24-2006, 07:08 AM

ahh fuck I missed a decent sig spot this one will have to do

RawAlex · 11-24-2006, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

The thread title makes it sound like you know they are shaving when your post speculates that you think they may do it (you had an exclamation point in the title but a question mark in your first post)

The people calling for an AFF response, the thread has been going for around 6 hours, and on the west coast its still very early + it?s a holiday, I just woke up after passing out early last night after Thanksgiving Dinner, so I woke up at 6am and thought I would check out gfy?

I glanced at the alexa rankings for aff a few weeks ago (I cant pull alexa up right now) and imo it did not appear to have changed recently, the trend looked consistent from the end of last year

I try to stay out of threads like this but thought I would make the above points, with all due respect

Corvette, you need to re-check those alexa numbers, because the reality is different from what you are thinking.

Recent numbers show a drop in overall rank, and upwards to 25% drop in reach (pages per million).

As for "give AFF a break, it's thanksgiving", we have been waiting for reponses on these issues for a while now, it ain't the turkey (at least not the edible kind) that is keeping them from the boards. The only time Lars or Sagi has come here to discuss this was to try to tar and feather Will and clickcash... otherwise their entire game plan has been to avoid the subject and keep their contest threads bumped, even if they need fake nick low post count people to do it.

corvette · 11-24-2006, 08:07 AM

i still cant pull up alexa so im going off of memory, but i dont disagree that there is a 25% drop from one month to another, but when i looked, i though that drop started before this year, and was pretty consistant...

i was not talking about a response to any overlying issue, just about a response to this thread...i am in, or close to the same timezone as lars and the thread was started after midnight the day after thanksgiving and i checked it at 6

RawAlex · 11-24-2006, 08:09 AM

Okay, Alexa came back:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...iendfinder.com

3 month rank 67, current 85 (same for the week average)... 25% drop

3 month reach: 9565 current 7600, about a 21% drop.

Considering that reach peaked out around 14,000 or so, 7600 is a pretty major drop off. Just as importantly, looking at the reach graph, you can see the drop off relative to Zango here and people indicating that they are removing AFF.

Actions = reactions.

scottybuzz · 11-24-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NetDomainia

popcorn anyone?

sig spotting...........

working hard there net

wjxxx · 11-24-2006, 08:19 AM

see sig

corvette · 11-24-2006, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Okay, Alexa came back:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...iendfinder.com

3 month rank 67, current 85 (same for the week average)... 25% drop

3 month reach: 9565 current 7600, about a 21% drop.

Considering that reach peaked out around 14,000 or so, 7600 is a pretty major drop off. Just as importantly, looking at the reach graph, you can see the drop off relative to Zango here and people indicating that they are removing AFF.

Actions = reactions.

i agree, i was looking at overall trend/3 year rank, that dropoff may be due to what you mentioned

monro · 11-24-2006, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette

The thread title makes it sound like you know they are shaving when your post speculates that you think they may do it (you had an exclamation point in the title but a question mark in your first post)

The thread title is nothing to be worried about. LegendaryLars has admitted here that that AFF take a part ( shaving ) of our affiliate share by using Zango.

CaptainHowdy · 11-24-2006, 09:25 AM

Best Month Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rui · 11-24-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

What you mean they don't provide data? You can see hits, profiles, sales, etc...?
WG

Compared to other programs, the level of detail of AFF stats is a big fucking joke ...

Add to that that they:
- Deal with Adware/Spyware companies
- Steal from their own affiliates (marketing efforts)
- Have loads of fake profiles
- Endorse Social Community spamming
- Accept warez, p2p, torrent sites to push them

yeah...that shows indeed a nice overall picture of AFF when it comes to trust and morals

nico-t · 11-24-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by livechat

Zango is big shit, but I don't think AFF is shaving anyone, if they were, we would already got to see some stats showing it

how can you see by one's stats that a program is shaving or not? it's impossible to proof anything on the affiliate point of view.

scottybuzz · 11-24-2006, 09:38 AM

where the heck is lars anyway?!

RawAlex · 11-24-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

where the heck is lars anyway?!

SmokeyTheBear · 11-24-2006, 10:01 AM

This thread should have a question mark not an exclamation point..

As much as i hate whats going on recently, i think its doing a disservice by diluting the issue with unfounded allegations..

RawAlex · 11-24-2006, 10:42 AM

Smokey, just the use of Zango is a "shave" in it's own right. That they are willing to use spyware / scumware / malware companies to provide traffic, and to take that traffic potentially from their own affiliates is a shave above and beyond what most other companies even have the balls to try to sneak through.

There ain't now "?" about it, ya know?

-SECCO- · 11-24-2006, 10:54 AM

i still have my aff links up...doing ok i guess

11-24-2006, 12:46 AM	#1
rollinthunder So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 359	Bigger issue than Zango... AFF shaves! Well if they are involved in this Zango conspiracy, who would actually trust that their stats would be accurate? Not like you can even do a test order, since they provide no data to the affiliate, no way to confirm anything.

11-24-2006, 12:52 AM	#3
Philip G Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 43	LOL... I was thinking exactly the same thing before I saw this thread. Fucking cheaters and scammers...in the end will just be losers. __________________ Most of the time I'm working

11-24-2006, 12:55 AM	#4
Shoehorn! Die With Your Boots On Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 22,872	This might be a long thread. __________________

11-24-2006, 12:57 AM	#5
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,487	What you mean they don't provide data? You can see hits, profiles, sales, etc...? WG __________________ I play with Google.

11-24-2006, 12:58 AM	#6
Preacher Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,970	I pulled down all of my AFF/Cams.com links a few days ago because of the zango shit Last edited by Preacher; 11-24-2006 at 12:59 AM..

11-24-2006, 12:47 AM	#2
Tryme Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 596	Zango = 5-10% shave

11-24-2006, 01:03 AM	#7
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11-24-2006, 01:05 AM	#8
livechat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 21st Google street Posts: 1,511	Zango is big shit, but I don't think AFF is shaving anyone, if they were, we would already got to see some stats showing it

11-24-2006, 01:18 AM	#10
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	LOL you guys post 100x to my 1 about AFF yet Lars only jumps my shit and calls me a hypocrite, broke, attention whore, etc.. etc.. etc.. Where is Lars these days ? __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

11-24-2006, 01:38 AM	#12
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11-24-2006, 02:46 AM	#19
ffmihai keep walking... Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,177	aff always payed me well and also payed the xx% in time with no problems! __________________

11-24-2006, 04:17 AM	#21
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11-24-2006, 04:49 AM	#22
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11-24-2006, 04:57 AM	#23
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11-24-2006, 05:53 AM	#24
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	while I applaud the cause, you people are only focusing on Zango. If everyone would realize that Zango (180 solutions) is NOT the only company/software that does this, there's more in the range of 40 different companies that do this... think of the impact of those _40_ some-odd programs are having on traffic these days. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

11-24-2006, 06:13 AM	#26
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	The lack of an official AFF response in threads like this make me wonder who decides their public relations moves. Whoever it is, they aren't earning their fur hat allotment.

11-24-2006, 06:18 AM	#27
LadyMischief Orgasms N Such! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 18,135	Stupid double posts. __________________ ICQ 3522039 Content Manager - orgasm.com [email protected]

11-24-2006, 06:29 AM	#29
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Yup... but Ladymischief, although I take alexa rankings and stats with a grain of salt, there is some proof there. The reach of AFF is down 25% this month from last, and I can't help but think that webmasters de-linking them is part of that reduction, especially in the face of apparently increased spending. Other programs should take note: You too could suddenly lose a ton of traffic for playing with the wrong people. Zango is only one of many, but the warning applies evenly across all of these sorts of things.

11-24-2006, 06:52 AM	#30
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	The thread title makes it sound like you know they are shaving when your post speculates that you think they may do it (you had an exclamation point in the title but a question mark in your first post) The people calling for an AFF response, the thread has been going for around 6 hours, and on the west coast its still very early + it’s a holiday, I just woke up after passing out early last night after Thanksgiving Dinner, so I woke up at 6am and thought I would check out gfy… I glanced at the alexa rankings for aff a few weeks ago (I cant pull alexa up right now) and imo it did not appear to have changed recently, the trend looked consistent from the end of last year I try to stay out of threads like this but thought I would make the above points, with all due respect __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

11-24-2006, 07:07 AM	#34
Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE North Coast Pimp Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 304-534-757 Posts: 9,395	popcorn anyone? sig spotting...........

11-24-2006, 07:08 AM	#35
jacklaidlaw Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 728	ahh fuck I missed a decent sig spot this one will have to do __________________

11-24-2006, 08:07 AM	#37
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	i still cant pull up alexa so im going off of memory, but i dont disagree that there is a 25% drop from one month to another, but when i looked, i though that drop started before this year, and was pretty consistant... i was not talking about a response to any overlying issue, just about a response to this thread...i am in, or close to the same timezone as lars and the thread was started after midnight the day after thanksgiving and i checked it at 6 __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

11-24-2006, 08:09 AM	#38
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Okay, Alexa came back: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...iendfinder.com 3 month rank 67, current 85 (same for the week average)... 25% drop 3 month reach: 9565 current 7600, about a 21% drop. Considering that reach peaked out around 14,000 or so, 7600 is a pretty major drop off. Just as importantly, looking at the reach graph, you can see the drop off relative to Zango here and people indicating that they are removing AFF. Actions = reactions.

11-24-2006, 08:19 AM	#40
wjxxx So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,448	see sig

11-24-2006, 09:25 AM	#43
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11-24-2006, 09:38 AM	#46
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,800	where the heck is lars anyway?! __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

11-24-2006, 10:01 AM	#48
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	This thread should have a question mark not an exclamation point.. As much as i hate whats going on recently, i think its doing a disservice by diluting the issue with unfounded allegations.. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

11-24-2006, 10:42 AM	#49
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Smokey, just the use of Zango is a "shave" in it's own right. That they are willing to use spyware / scumware / malware companies to provide traffic, and to take that traffic potentially from their own affiliates is a shave above and beyond what most other companies even have the balls to try to sneak through. There ain't now "?" about it, ya know?

11-24-2006, 10:54 AM	#50
-SECCO- Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,145	i still have my aff links up...doing ok i guess __________________ what?