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Paul Markham · 11-21-2006, 02:57 AM

OK this was not my idea, it came from a chat with an affiliate and seeing what a few others do.

Up until August we had a normal tour, except for the models page the surfers had to guess what was inside the site. Ratios were climbing as the traffic grew less in quality to 1-650. Then September we opened up the site, so the surfer saw everything he was buying.

Ratios dropped to 1-500 over September, in October they dropped further 1-330 and are staying around this now, 1-350 on more traffic. These ratios are all traffic affiliates and ours.

If you think about it, it's totally logical. A surfer sees everything he will get for his $30. OK only the thumbs but it's better than just a normal tour.

Here are some of the benefits. You are welcome to add to them or tell me the disadvantges.

A) SE bots now visit us every day, with the text of all the site and it changing daily it's very interesting to the SE spiders and got visits from about 60 of them in the last few days. Is this good?

It's hits,and date from Googlebot
15262+25 20 Nov 2006

We get some nice traffic from the SE.

Yes I need to optimize the text and working on it all the time. Not very good at it.

B) The affiliates get to see what they are selling. Gives them a far better idea how to sell your site and reassures them they are not selling a site ripping off the surfers.

Also enables them to target promote one girl, by adding the page they want the surfer to go to they add the landing page URL to the end of their CCBILL link page. So if you want to promote a girl like Grace, you add this at the end.

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/memb...odelNick=grace

Will work for any girl or category like lesbians

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/memb...=g/g&orderby=7

C) Lets surfers see what they are buying. In a market that sadly has a portion of people who think screwing surfers is the way forward this shows the surfer you are to be trusted. Big think when you're asking for $30.

D) Screws the competition. How many site are better off by NOT SHOWING the surfer what he's buying?

One of the best things for this industry, in my humble opinion

, would be VISA making all sites do this. Yes it would screw a few sponsors and sites, but think about how it would improve trust of those who buy from us and more importantly those who do not.

OK, don't come back and tell me what a little site I have, how little traffic I have and what an arrogant idiot I am. I know these things.

I'm telling you because the more who follow this route the better we make the business and a few affiliates might give me a try. Yes clever spamming.

LiveDose · 11-21-2006, 03:07 AM

Can't argue with that logic.

Lazonby · 11-21-2006, 03:15 AM

Good attitude to have. Professional.

Darrell · 11-21-2006, 03:23 AM

Nice idea. I've just got a new CMS which I believe will allow surfers to view the members area without them seeing the big pics and movies, so I think I'll do the same

Glad to hear your site is going well and I'm going to be in touch soon to order some content from you

woj · 11-21-2006, 03:37 AM

not a bad tip

stef_girls18 · 11-21-2006, 03:38 AM

Very good idea, will look into how it can be done.

Servhot · 11-21-2006, 03:57 AM

Ok, Paul, thx for the hint on ICQ to send my comment to this, but I think I will just leave my sig here

ListYourPorn · 11-21-2006, 03:59 AM

I have to say this is a good approach, point d is a very valid one, the number of sites I have vetted who were requesting billing services that basically were nothing more then a couple of sets or just dam right nasty inside far out weighed the number of sites that passed :-)

Paul Markham · 11-21-2006, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveDose

Can't argue with that logic.

But an argument adds to my post count.

YDG · 11-21-2006, 04:02 AM

Excellent Idea Paul, In fact we've been doing exactly this for TeenDreams for 2 years now.

We opened up the members area originally because TeenDreams was so huge their was no way to convey this to the surfer by using a standard tour. The additional benefit is they not only see how big the site is, but also the quality of the media.

It works well with sites like TD and PMT, however, Im guesssing many sites would prefer not to do this, as it may put potential members off given their members areas are not quite as dynamic as their tour.

ListYourPorn · 11-21-2006, 04:02 AM

is thia all about your post count? ?????

;-)

Murderous · 11-21-2006, 04:06 AM

Nice ideas... let me add.

E) Exposes the inside of a hardcore site to potential underage viewers (yes maybe less than that of the affiliate sending the hits but still)

F) allows the sponsor to pocket money from any x-sells, cause you know a lot of sites practicing this business model will look for ways to fuck the affiliates.

Again, nice ideas though. It does make some sense. Also... this is what a lot of mainstream sites do as well as content providers, so it isn't new, just revised.

Paul Markham · 11-21-2006, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDG

Excellent Idea Paul, In fact we've been doing exactly this for TeenDreams for 2 years now.

We opened up the members area originally because TeenDreams was so huge their was no way to convey this to the surfer by using a standard tour. The additional benefit is they not only see how big the site is, but also the quality of the media.

It works well with sites like TD and PMT, however, Im guesssing many sites would prefer not to do this, as it may put potential members off given their members areas are not quite as dynamic as their tour.

Your tour/site has been one I've admired for years and one of those that gave me the idea. Plus seeing the stats on the content stores.

Paul Markham · 11-21-2006, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murderous

Nice ideas... let me add.

E) Exposes the inside of a hardcore site to potential underage viewers (yes maybe less than that of the affiliate sending the hits but still)

F) allows the sponsor to pocket money from any x-sells, cause you know a lot of sites practicing this business model will look for ways to fuck the affiliates.

Again, nice ideas though. It does make some sense. Also... this is what a lot of mainstream sites do as well as content providers, so it isn't new, just revised.

Good points, however.

E) Most tours show hardcore and most surfers come from hardcore content sites. Come up with an effective way to keep anyone under the age of 21 out of my tour and I will sign up for it. They don't buy porn generally.

F) Improving affiliates earnings on the same traffic is screwing with them?

Buzz · 11-21-2006, 04:32 AM

I wonder how many hours a week do you spend analyzing your site/traffic ?

I can see you think over every detail of your paysite.

andrej_NDC · 11-21-2006, 04:36 AM

Yes, it works...I was testing it for a while, too and reasults are great.

Zorgman · 11-21-2006, 04:54 AM

Yeah, some nice ideas there.

Always a pleasure to read your posts Paul. :D

v4 media · 11-21-2006, 05:08 AM

Tommys old site New York Whores used to do it years ago.. it did work really well.

JFK · 11-21-2006, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

But an argument adds to my post count.

Now you want post count as well??

Tempest · 11-21-2006, 09:07 AM

A long time program that pretty much everyone considers irrelevant and a dinosaur has gone this route recently. They require the surfer to sign up for FREE (but have to give their CC info) and they can then browse the entire site but just can't watch the movies or see the full size pics.. The nice thing is that they're paying out on that free join with a rate that's as high or higher than some PPS companies that pay out on trials. I hardly send them any traffic and given the site changes, most of my stuff is off target but I'm making more with them now then I was before.

reynold · 11-21-2006, 09:09 AM

I thought of that thing as well. Nice post, mate.

jacklaidlaw · 11-21-2006, 05:23 PM

That is very good idea Paul! I don't pay for porn but if I did I would be a lot more tempted to buy If I new what I was buying I think a lot of these tours only show glossy pics and onece paided to get in they have little content

The Ghost · 11-21-2006, 05:49 PM

I agree with the strategy of showing more (but still keeping the tease) if you got it. That's why we made the new Joon Mali tour.

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fuzebox · 11-21-2006, 05:56 PM

For once I totally agree with you. The paysite I am working on uses this strategy.

ER!C L!VE · 11-21-2006, 06:25 PM

Perhaps we'll try that. I like the extra teasing of the potential client idea.

Paul Markham · 11-21-2006, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz

I wonder how many hours a week do you spend analyzing your site/traffic ?

I can see you think over every detail of your paysite.

A lot of time, what is very interesting is the number of pages they click before they sign up and that it would seem more sign up now on their first visit. Before it was after a few visits.

When it comes to traffic directing I know nothing, but it's easier to analyse where and when people sign up from your tour.

11-21-2006, 02:57 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Want to see a boost in ratios? Then open your site up to the surfers. OK this was not my idea, it came from a chat with an affiliate and seeing what a few others do. Up until August we had a normal tour, except for the models page the surfers had to guess what was inside the site. Ratios were climbing as the traffic grew less in quality to 1-650. Then September we opened up the site, so the surfer saw everything he was buying. Ratios dropped to 1-500 over September, in October they dropped further 1-330 and are staying around this now, 1-350 on more traffic. These ratios are all traffic affiliates and ours. If you think about it, it's totally logical. A surfer sees everything he will get for his $30. OK only the thumbs but it's better than just a normal tour. Here are some of the benefits. You are welcome to add to them or tell me the disadvantges. A) SE bots now visit us every day, with the text of all the site and it changing daily it's very interesting to the SE spiders and got visits from about 60 of them in the last few days. Is this good? It's hits,and date from Googlebot 15262+25 20 Nov 2006 We get some nice traffic from the SE. Yes I need to optimize the text and working on it all the time. Not very good at it. B) The affiliates get to see what they are selling. Gives them a far better idea how to sell your site and reassures them they are not selling a site ripping off the surfers. Also enables them to target promote one girl, by adding the page they want the surfer to go to they add the landing page URL to the end of their CCBILL link page. So if you want to promote a girl like Grace, you add this at the end. http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/memb...odelNick=grace Will work for any girl or category like lesbians http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/memb...=g/g&orderby=7 C) Lets surfers see what they are buying. In a market that sadly has a portion of people who think screwing surfers is the way forward this shows the surfer you are to be trusted. Big think when you're asking for $30. D) Screws the competition. How many site are better off by NOT SHOWING the surfer what he's buying? One of the best things for this industry, in my humble opinion , would be VISA making all sites do this. Yes it would screw a few sponsors and sites, but think about how it would improve trust of those who buy from us and more importantly those who do not. OK, don't come back and tell me what a little site I have, how little traffic I have and what an arrogant idiot I am. I know these things. I'm telling you because the more who follow this route the better we make the business and a few affiliates might give me a try. Yes clever spamming. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by Paul Markham; 11-21-2006 at 03:00 AM..

11-21-2006, 03:07 AM	#2
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11-21-2006, 03:15 AM	#3
Lazonby Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,262	Good attitude to have. Professional.

11-21-2006, 03:23 AM	#4
Darrell Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: In bed asleep Posts: 803	Nice idea. I've just got a new CMS which I believe will allow surfers to view the members area without them seeing the big pics and movies, so I think I'll do the same Glad to hear your site is going well and I'm going to be in touch soon to order some content from you

11-21-2006, 03:59 AM	#8
ListYourPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 791	I have to say this is a good approach, point d is a very valid one, the number of sites I have vetted who were requesting billing services that basically were nothing more then a couple of sets or just dam right nasty inside far out weighed the number of sites that passed :-) __________________ Sex Add your sites Click Here

11-21-2006, 04:02 AM	#10
YDG Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Dordogne Posts: 1,614	Excellent Idea Paul, In fact we've been doing exactly this for TeenDreams for 2 years now. We opened up the members area originally because TeenDreams was so huge their was no way to convey this to the surfer by using a standard tour. The additional benefit is they not only see how big the site is, but also the quality of the media. It works well with sites like TD and PMT, however, Im guesssing many sites would prefer not to do this, as it may put potential members off given their members areas are not quite as dynamic as their tour. __________________ Promote the webs Highest Rated Teen Paysite TeenDreams.com. #1 Teen Paysite at almost every review site on the internet. Over 4,500 FHG's and 100's of Hosted Flash Movies and FLV dump Tool.

11-21-2006, 04:06 AM	#12
Murderous Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,938	Nice ideas... let me add. E) Exposes the inside of a hardcore site to potential underage viewers (yes maybe less than that of the affiliate sending the hits but still) F) allows the sponsor to pocket money from any x-sells, cause you know a lot of sites practicing this business model will look for ways to fuck the affiliates. Again, nice ideas though. It does make some sense. Also... this is what a lot of mainstream sites do as well as content providers, so it isn't new, just revised.

11-21-2006, 04:32 AM	#15
Buzz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,908	I wonder how many hours a week do you spend analyzing your site/traffic ? I can see you think over every detail of your paysite.

11-21-2006, 04:36 AM	#16
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	Yes, it works...I was testing it for a while, too and reasults are great.

11-21-2006, 04:54 AM	#17
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	Yeah, some nice ideas there. Always a pleasure to read your posts Paul. :D __________________ ---

11-21-2006, 05:08 AM	#18
v4 media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 2,934	Tommys old site New York Whores used to do it years ago.. it did work really well.

11-21-2006, 09:07 AM	#20
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	A long time program that pretty much everyone considers irrelevant and a dinosaur has gone this route recently. They require the surfer to sign up for FREE (but have to give their CC info) and they can then browse the entire site but just can't watch the movies or see the full size pics.. The nice thing is that they're paying out on that free join with a rate that's as high or higher than some PPS companies that pay out on trials. I hardly send them any traffic and given the site changes, most of my stuff is off target but I'm making more with them now then I was before.

11-21-2006, 09:09 AM	#21
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	I thought of that thing as well. Nice post, mate.

11-21-2006, 05:23 PM	#22
jacklaidlaw Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 728	That is very good idea Paul! I don't pay for porn but if I did I would be a lot more tempted to buy If I new what I was buying I think a lot of these tours only show glossy pics and onece paided to get in they have little content __________________

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