You know, I've seen enough of the Will76/Lars threads

[12clicks]

It's enough already.
The lines are drawn. Choose your side and shut the fuck up.

that is all.

[dropped9]

sig heil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tony286]

sorry I dont think people are going to let us go away like alot of people hope for.

[CaptainHowdy]

Very gangsta...

[StuartD]

Agreed 100%!!

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by tony404

sorry I dont think people are going to let us go away like alot of people hope for.

who are you, where is here, and who hopes for or cares?

There is no love lost between myself and Zango (and all of their previous names) but pretending to be part of a fight between ifriends and aff is silly and unproductive. (as are the countless threads about it)

[tony286]

Originally Posted by tony404

sorry I dont think people are going to let us go away like alot of people hope for.

us=this sorry

[MaddCaz]

agreed!!!!!!!

[tony286]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

who are you, where is here, and who hopes for or cares?

There is no love lost between myself and Zango (and all of their previous names) but pretending to be part of a fight between ifriends and aff is silly and unproductive. (as are the countless threads about it)

Who am I read the October issue of Klixxx its my ugly face on the cover. Everytime I got some scumbag stealing passwords, I follow it to some password trading site and there is the aff banners paying for this activity. Zango does effect me as a website owner. You are better off not commenting then trying to make this a nothing subject. Unless you buy into this shit.

[crockett]

I get tired of the threads as well, however I also believe in hammering the fact into the ground, that companies like AFF continue to steal from affiliates by supporting scum-ware companies like zango.

If there were not any large adult companies like AFF supporting Zango, then sure kill the topics. However as long as a major adult affiliate programs with the power of cams and adult friend finder continue to buy traffic from scum ware which steals from webmasters. Then I say continue to bash them until webmasters finally wake up and stop sending them traffic or we shame AFF them into stopping it's use.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by tony404

Who am I read the October issue of Klixxx its my ugly face on the cover. Everytime I got some scumbag stealing passwords, I follow it to some password trading site and there is the aff banners paying for this activity. Zango does effect me as a website owner. You are better off not commenting then trying to make this a nothing subject. Unless you buy into this shit.

tony, lets not pretend that your getting your picture on some small publication somehow compares with what I've done in this business. Your over zealous reaction to my "enough is enough" post makes my point.

People who go on crusade, generally go because they have nothing else to do.

[PeekHoles]

I'm for one wish this board would come back to the webmasters and talk more about the biz, and share ideas instead of fucking each other over.

I guess most would rather see would you hit it threads all day. Instead figuring away to stop people from stealing your signups?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by crockett

I get tired of the threads as well, however I also believe in hammering the fact into the ground, that companies like AFF continue to steal from affiliates by supporting scum-ware companies like zango.

If there were not any large adult companies like AFF supporting Zango, then sure kill the topics. However as long as a major adult affiliate programs with the power of cams and adult friend finder continue to buy traffic from scum ware which steals from webmasters. Then I say continue to bash them until webmasters finally wake up and stop sending them traffic or we shame AFF them into stopping it's use.

for the sake of argument, shame is always trumped by money.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

tony, lets not pretend that your getting your picture on some small publication somehow compares with what I've done in this business. Your over zealous reaction to my "enough is enough" post makes my point.

People who go on crusade, generally go because they have nothing else to do.

if I had the time you spent in this business and the window of opportunity you have had. I wouldnt be starting up programs again and posting on a webmaster board because I need to feel superior. I would be retired, so your not that brillant.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

It's enough already.
The lines are drawn. Choose your side and shut the fuck up.

that is all.

Just curious.. We're supposed to care what you think because???

Seriously.. I've been doing this fulltime for 5+ years and you've had ZERO to do with my biz... And the (sad?) reality of life is that no one really cares what one has done in the past, it's what you're doing today that matters.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by tony404

if I had the time you spent in this business and the window of opportunity you have had. I wouldnt be starting up programs again and posting on a webmaster board because I need to feel superior. I would be retired, so your not that brillant.

yes, if if if. If I had not accomplished all I have, I'd be boasting about things that don't matter as if they do (a pi on some magazine with a circulation of what, 100?)

Oh, and zango has cost me over 100k. what's it cost you? an imaginary singup somewhere?

This post is about the big picture. Perhaps you'd know that if you had the time I spent in this business and the window of opportunity I have had.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Just curious.. We're supposed to care what you think because???

Seriously.. I've been doing this fulltime for 5+ years and you've had ZERO to do with my biz... And the (sad?) reality of life is that no one really cares what one has done in the past, it's what you're doing today that matters.

hahaha, when I don't care about what a poster has to say, I don't post in their threads.

seriously, I've been in this business for 9 years and I've never noticed you. I'm sure you had a point to make in this thread.

[BlackCrayon]

its too bad this has become personal, for me its not about lars vs will, its about adult companies thinkings its ok to use this type of advertising.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

yes, if if if. If I had not accomplished all I have, I'd be boasting about things that don't matter as if they do (a pi on some magazine with a circulation of what, 100?)

Oh, and zango has cost me over 100k. what's it cost you? an imaginary singup somewhere?

This post is about the big picture. Perhaps you'd know that if you had the time I spent in this business and the window of opportunity I have had.

You don't impress me when your still here sorry, you had to be doing really shitty to come back to adult. You came in during the gold time and your going back and forth with me on GFY. Your not brilliant, you were lucky and didnt know how to optimize it if your still here. Knocking Klixxx whats a matter Jealious lol .

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its too bad this has become personal, for me its not about lars vs will, its about adult companies thinkings its ok to use this type of advertising.

I agree with this.

We've seen what, about 100 threads about it?

I know who I will and will not do business with. do we need a 101st post to figure it out?

[Kimo]

yeah as ive said b4 i dont give a fuck about lars or will, but what i do HATE is zango, and anyone that supports it.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I agree with this.

We've seen what, about 100 threads about it?

I know who I will and will not do business with. do we need a 101st post to figure it out?

ok that point I see but I still think people will forget.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by tony404

You don't impress me when your still here sorry, you had to be doing really shitty to come back to adult. You came in during the gold time and your going back and forth with me on GFY. Your not brilliant, you were lucky and didnt know how to optimize it if your still here. Knocking Klixxx whats a matter Jealious lol .

hahaha, I'm not trying to impress you, son. Thats why you don't find me posting in your threads about my cool pic in klixxx.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahaha, I'm not trying to impress you, son. Thats why you don't find me posting in your threads about my cool pic in klixxx.

No I figure because it wasnt about you. You had the world, you were at the gold rush. Where did you stumble? By the way Im 42 lol

[Cory W]

One of the things that aggravates me personally is that no matter how many times you state your position, if you were not in the most recent thread condemning Zango, you are assumed to be in support.

The other day when Video Secrets said they were against Zango, they were commended and a few people posted that they were glad that a ?few companies get it.? I think a couple of people actually stated that only 5 companies were against Zango.

Weg has been against this type of traffic well before Will76 went on this crusade. I hate to break it to everyone, but this is not new. I had a meeting well before the crusades with our CTO and we arranged a plan to try to find out how much it affected us. I have also hit up Smokey and had conversations with him regarding it, I am sure he can verify such.

While I appreciate people trying to better the industry, I do think people need to keep perspective and understand that we all can?t post all day long about the issue. I stated that Weg does not accept Zango traffic and will do what we can to counter it, and as far as I know, well more than 5 affiliate programs reflected the exact same position. But because we aren?t in all the threads, we are somehow supporting it. Because I don?t bash Lars, I support it.

Go back to Will?s original thread and look at all the programs that agreed they do not accept the traffic. I know for fact that before Will ever brought this up, we were discussing the subject privately with other program operators and our affiliates.

Saying you are tired of the threads is not saying you support Zango or any affiliated companies. It is saying you are tired of the threads. Many people knew about all of this before the crusades.

Wegcash as a program has a track record of supporting affiliates. We do not and have never needed a crusade to motivate our decision-making.

And if you take the above statements to be aggressive towards Will, they are not. I appreciate good will as much as anyone. My personal opinion is that the lines are drawn, however, they are just post on a message board and I don?t have to read them; Hence, I don?t care if they are posted all day long or not. However, we should make a better effort to consolidate independent business ideals.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I agree with this.

We've seen what, about 100 threads about it?

I know who I will and will not do business with. do we need a 101st post to figure it out?

while I think you are totally right, I think your digs on tony are unnecessary

tony and his wife have all but made the BBW niche their own, mandy is one of the most famous and best retaining bbw sites on the net...they both know what they are doing and probably have more retaining members than any 12x site you own.

tony is a intelligent and very well rounded member of the adult community, and you speak to him like he has done nothing and can't generate revenue in the adult internet industry....if you are going to dig on someone, at least do a little research first

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by tony404

No I figure because it wasnt about you. You had the world, you were at the gold rush. Where did you stumble? By the way Im 42 lol

silly kid, name 5 people who retired from this business and are not working at something else. Your lack of understanding about this business is only exceeded by your lack of understanding about life.
I'm far too young to retire.
Don't be bitter because you didn't start as early as I did, be thankful. Your only excuse for not succeeding is safe because of it.

[Jace]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

One of the things that aggravates me personally is that no matter how many times you state your position, if you were not in the most recent thread condemning Zango, you are assumed to be in support.

The other day when Video Secrets said they were against Zango, they were commended and a few people posted that they were glad that a ?few companies get it.? I think a couple of people actually stated that only 5 companies were against Zango.

Weg has been against this type of traffic well before Will76 went on this crusade. I hate to break it to everyone, but this is not new. I had a meeting well before the crusades with our CTO and we arranged a plan to try to find out how much it affected us. I have also hit up Smokey and had conversations with him regarding it, I am sure he can verify such.

While I appreciate people trying to better the industry, I do think people need to keep perspective and understand that we all can?t post all day long about the issue. I stated that Weg does not accept Zango traffic and will do what we can to counter it, and as far as I know, well more than 5 affiliate programs reflected the exact same position. But because we aren?t in all the threads, we are somehow supporting it. Because I don?t bash Lars, I support it.

Go back to Will?s original thread and look at all the programs that agreed they do not accept the traffic. I know for fact that before Will ever brought this up, we were discussing the subject privately with other program operators and our affiliates.

Saying you are tired of the threads is not saying you support Zango or any affiliated companies. It is saying you are tired of the threads. Many people knew about all of this before the crusades.

Wegcash as a program has a track record of supporting affiliates. We do not and have never needed a crusade to motivate our decision-making.

And if you take the above statements to be aggressive towards Will, they are not. I appreciate good will as much as anyone. My personal opinion is that the lines are drawn, however, they are just post on a message board and I don?t have to read them; Hence, I don?t care if they are posted all day long or not. However, we should make a better effort to consolidate independent business ideals.

very well said man

[tony286]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

silly kid, name 5 people who retired from this business and are not working at something else. Your lack of understanding about this business is only exceeded by your lack of understanding about life.
I'm far too young to retire.
Don't be bitter because you didn't start as early as I did, be thankful. Your only excuse for not succeeding is safe because of it.

But they arent going back and forward with nobodies like me. I do fine, my business covers my bills and I dont fuck anyone over in the process.Can you say that with a straight face? ,I dont have to kiss corporate ass anymore Im very happy,I dont need to be rich being happy and getting to be creative is more important to me. To think I wished you the best when you launched your program dumb me.

Once again where did you fuck up that your back here?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Jace

while I think you are totally right, I think your digs on tony are unnecessary

tony and his wife have all but made the BBW niche their own, mandy is one of the most famous and best retaining bbw sites on the net...they both know what they are doing and probably have more retaining members than any 12x site you own.

tony is a intelligent and very well rounded member of the adult community, and you speak to him like he has done nothing and can't generate revenue in the adult internet industry....if you are going to dig on someone, at least do a little research first

tit for tat. he came into the thread looking for trouble. I accomodate that tye of poster very well.

[marketsmart]

i love how people that have been in the indistry "forever" seem to think that they are all knowing...

the bottom line is we are all trying to protect our interests. i prefer to stay out of the spotlight, yet i produce more joins a month than 95% of the people here.

12clicks is right, at the end of the day it's about business and my business does include people stealing my teffic with adware.

so, i have two choices, either become part of the solution or become part of the problem...

i have made my choice and when everything comes to light, i expect everyone to say "he's only protecting his business"....

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by tony404

But they arent going back and forward with nobodies like me. I do fine, my business covers my bills and I dont fuck anyone over in the process.Can you say that with a straight face? ,I dont have to kiss corporate ass anymore Im very happy,I dont need to be rich being happy and getting to be creative is more important to me. To think I wished you the best when you launched your program dumb me.

insincere you, not dumb you. this thread isn't about you but we've got to listen to you post about you picture in clixxx, how you can cover your bills, and how much you'd have done if you had my timing.

do you truly have so little self awareness?

[TampaToker]

Kinda funny you making a thread about what you are bitching about

[tony286]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

insincere you, not dumb you. this thread isn't about you but we've got to listen to you post about you picture in clixxx, how you can cover your bills, and how much you'd have done if you had my timing.

do you truly have so little self awareness?

you attacked me so I bought up my resume and I really meant it, you were nice there for a while. I didnt have to be insincere, I dont need to kiss your ass.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Kinda funny you making a thread about what you are bitching about

its my turn again appearently.

about 100 threads ago I stated that having dealt with zango in main stream, I would not take it's or any other adware program's traffic.

I just think the dead horse is not only beaten, its no longer interesting.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

its my turn again appearently.

about 100 threads ago I stated that having dealt with zango in main stream, I would not take it's or any other adware program's traffic.

I just think the dead horse is not only beaten, its no longer interesting.

Sorry i gotta disagree with you. When people are getting "traffic intercepted" from them that means they are losing $$$. To me i find that very interesting and will continue to post about it. Now a simple fix for your problem would to be simply bypass the threads were it is obvious what we are talkin about.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by tony404

you attacked me so I bought up my resume and I really meant it, you were nice there for a while. I didnt have to be insincere, I dont need to kiss your ass.

you're here, in my thread. you used the fact that you've had your picture taken as some sort of validation to then tell me "you're better off not commenting"

I don't suffer fools. sorry that doesn't fit with your version of "nice"

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I'm sure you had a point to make in this thread.

That only about 99% of this biz might actually care what you think.

Frankly I find it very refreshing that this issue hasn't just faded off GFY like most issues even if a lot of the threads are just haters using it to get exposure for themselves or their programs. So when someone comes on here and attempts to make it "disappear", it pisses me off.

The reality is that a lot of people still don't know about it or even understand it so it needs to remain in the forefront in order to get the message out to more WMs. Case in point, the new cam site operator that didn't even know about this board and found a thread about it thru google and is now aware and learning about the issue. Not everyone reads GFY.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TampaToker

Sorry i gotta disagree with you. When people are getting "traffic intercepted" from them that means they are losing $$$. To me i find that very interesting and will continue to post about it. Now a simple fix for your problem would to be simply bypass the threads were it is obvious what we are talkin about.

hahaha, believe me, I've passed over your multiple rants on the subject. its funny your advice doesn't apply to yourself as this is my only thread on the subject.

[Jman]

HUmmm there's a couple fo sexy man in this thread... Oui Oui ;-)

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Tempest

That only about 99% of this biz might actually care what you think.

Frankly I find it very refreshing that this issue hasn't just faded off GFY like most issues even if a lot of the threads are just haters using it to get exposure for themselves or their programs. So when someone comes on here and attempts to make it "disappear", it pisses me off.

The reality is that a lot of people still don't know about it or even understand it so it needs to remain in the forefront in order to get the message out to more WMs. Case in point, the new cam site operator that didn't even know about this board and found a thread about it thru google and is now aware and learning about the issue. Not everyone reads GFY.

Anyone who really cared about stopping zango, would not be posting on gfy, they'd be hitting the FTC website.
however, its so much easier to get on the latest GFY bandwagon and seem cool.

[TampaToker]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

hahaha, believe me, I've passed over your multiple rants on the subject. its funny your advice doesn't apply to yourself as this is my only thread on the subject.

I dont have a problem with you makein threads like this so continue on. I just gave you a fix for your problem

[Martin]

Will76

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[crockett]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

for the sake of argument, shame is always trumped by money.

That's why bringing it up on the forums over and over helps. The more affiliates of AFF/Cams know what is going on, the more that will likely stop sending traffic and move it elsewhere.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Anyone who really cared about stopping zango, would not be posting on gfy, they'd be hitting the FTC website.
however, its so much easier to get on the latest GFY bandwagon and seem cool.

Really? You mean a person can only do 1 thing and not any others??? Damn.. I'd better cut back on what I'm doing...

[Jman]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Anyone who really cared about stopping zango, would not be posting on gfy, they'd be hitting the FTC website.
however, its so much easier to get on the latest GFY bandwagon and seem cool.

Honestly I think Will did bring awareness but I agree with you, the song remains the same.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

totally unrelated to the subject at hand, but 12clicks can you hit me up on ICQ? i got a few questions about your program

[SmokeyTheBear]

as with any other issue , if its still important to people they will still start threads.. no different than any other news.. some will tire of it before others..

Standard internet has a history with "zango-like" products right ? How much money did SI make distributing zango-like products ? so its not suprising its a dead issue to you and not us.. you made money , we lost money i'm usually more unhappy when i lose money than when i make it no offense

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

as with any other issue , if its still important to people they will still start threads.. no different than any other news.. some will tire of it before others..

Standard internet has a history with "zango-like" products right ? How much money did SI make distributing zango-like products ? so its not suprising its a dead issue to you and not us.. you made money , we lost money i'm usually more unhappy when i lose money than when i make it no offense

I've lost more money from adware companies than you've made in the last decade. no offense

You've started threads before about SI and history with zango like products only to dissapear when pressed to back up your false claims.

again no offense but if you'd like, I can probably find the threads.

[stev0]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

its my turn again appearently.

about 100 threads ago I stated that having dealt with zango in main stream, I would not take it's or any other adware program's traffic.

I just think the dead horse is not only beaten, its no longer interesting.

I thought you ran an adware company?