You know, I've seen enough of the Will76/Lars threads

[woj]

50........

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Tempest

Really? You mean a person can only do 1 thing and not any others??? Damn.. I'd better cut back on what I'm doing...

does yelling that from the band wagon work?

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by stev0

I thought you ran an adware company?

if you get your news from smokey you might think so.

[will76]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

People who go on crusade, generally go because they have nothing else to do.

maybe crusade is the wrong word. I have a million better things to do but when it comes to theft it is hard for me to let it go, continue to let it happen, and just walk away. Even if all i can do is raise awareness (aka bitch) at least I feel like I am doing something.

AFF/LARS tried to make this a Will76 vs. AFF thing. That was their whole approach to try to spin the real issues and through it back on me. You might to take that up with them and all of their friends who are starting post about me trying to discredit me.

Lars made himself the poster boy for zango by the way he has handled all of the constant questions that people have been asking him about it.

[nadanada]

there is more bitching in this thread than all of the will76/lars threads combined.

[TheJimmy]

Congrats to all the winners.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by stev0

I thought you ran an adware company?

if you get your news from smokey you might think so.

advertising.com + spyware = 77,700 results in google.
standardinternet.com + spyware = 299 results in google.
doubleclick.com + spyware = 13,100 results in google.
adsense + spyware = 1,480,000 results in google.

it gets tiring sometimes but some people just won't admit they were wrong.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by will76

maybe crusade is the wrong word. I have a million better things to do but when it comes to theft it is hard for me to let it go, continue to let it happen, and just walk away. Even if all i can do is raise awareness (aka bitch) at least I feel like I am doing something.

AFF/LARS tried to make this a Will76 vs. AFF thing. That was their whole approach to try to spin the real issues and through it back on me. You might to take that up with them and all of their friends who are starting post about me trying to discredit me.

Lars made himself the poster boy for zango by the way he has handled all of the constant questions that people have been asking him about it.

Will, you know I have nothing against you but you've made what, 1000 posts to lars one on the subject? not much chance for him to spin, eh?

I just think its pointless and silly to beat the horse. if you had spent this much energy with the ftc, zango might already be in trouble.

[will76]

Originally Posted by Martin

Will76

54

[Cutty]

Yo let me clear one thing right now you nazi mother fuckers.

Lars is my gay lover and I will not have his name shat on.

LARS TILL THE END!!

VIVA LA LARS VIVA LA LARS!

[will76]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Will, you know I have nothing against you but you've made what, 1000 posts to lars one on the subject? not much chance for him to spin, eh?

I just think its pointless and silly to beat the horse. if you had spent this much energy with the ftc, zango might already be in trouble.

I know you have nothing against me and i appreciate that.

I started off making posts about several of the companies that were using zango. Zango outed AFF, AFF replied admitting they do it and posting a lot of bullshit. I replied to the bullshit and lies they were making. I guess I did it a few times more then others because Lars ignored everyone else bashing them and proceeded to make it personal with me and no one else. From that point on I defended myself from the multiple bullshit posts he was making about me or others that supported him were making about me.

I don't see the FTC doing much especially since they just settled with Zango. Maybe if a religious group with 1000's of their congregation made phones calls and wrote letters, maybe that would get their attention but I don't think a bunch of emails from adult webmasters are going get much of their attention.

I posted somewhere before there are several ways to approach this problem and different people are suited better for different options.

1. Let all adult webmasters know exactly how zango works and encourage them to contact their sponsors to see if they support it and then decide for themselves if they want to do business with that company.
2. Educate the people/sites who are doing the zango installs and let them know how harmfull it is to all of us.
3. Create programs that we can use to try to detect and reroute the people who have zango installed on their pc.
4. Educate the surfers.
5. Try to get new laws passed, let the govt know how we feel.
6. Get help from mainstream since this affects them, and get help from religious groups since what zango is doing is reckless to kids and causes kids to get porn on their pcs.
7. Try to start lawsuits.

there is no one magically answer and some people may be better suited then others for each of the options above.

I checked out of curiosity, I started 10 threads specifically about lars/aff over the last 6 weeks about zango. Although there has been a lot of posts made by others about both of us so I know you are seeing a lot of Will76/Lars threads. Personally, I see it as me against scumware, but i guess different people see it different ways.

[Tryme]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

One of the things that aggravates me personally is that no matter how many times you state your position, if you were not in the most recent thread condemning Zango, you are assumed to be in support.

The other day when Video Secrets said they were against Zango, they were commended and a few people posted that they were glad that a ?few companies get it.? I think a couple of people actually stated that only 5 companies were against Zango.

Weg has been against this type of traffic well before Will76 went on this crusade. I hate to break it to everyone, but this is not new. I had a meeting well before the crusades with our CTO and we arranged a plan to try to find out how much it affected us. I have also hit up Smokey and had conversations with him regarding it, I am sure he can verify such.

While I appreciate people trying to better the industry, I do think people need to keep perspective and understand that we all can?t post all day long about the issue. I stated that Weg does not accept Zango traffic and will do what we can to counter it, and as far as I know, well more than 5 affiliate programs reflected the exact same position. But because we aren?t in all the threads, we are somehow supporting it. Because I don?t bash Lars, I support it.

Go back to Will?s original thread and look at all the programs that agreed they do not accept the traffic. I know for fact that before Will ever brought this up, we were discussing the subject privately with other program operators and our affiliates.

Saying you are tired of the threads is not saying you support Zango or any affiliated companies. It is saying you are tired of the threads. Many people knew about all of this before the crusades.

Wegcash as a program has a track record of supporting affiliates. We do not and have never needed a crusade to motivate our decision-making.

And if you take the above statements to be aggressive towards Will, they are not. I appreciate good will as much as anyone. My personal opinion is that the lines are drawn, however, they are just post on a message board and I don?t have to read them; Hence, I don?t care if they are posted all day long or not. However, we should make a better effort to consolidate independent business ideals.

my question is, do you send AFF traffic from your exits, mailers or inside of sides?

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

does yelling that from the band wagon work?

In this case it actually appears it is.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I've lost more money from adware companies than you've made in the last decade. no offense

I wasnt aware you had read my tax statements lol.

I'm not sure what to think of someone who takes stabs in the dark but your offbase and dont know anything about me or how much money i have made. I wouldn't presume i had lost more than you had made.

Originally Posted by 12clicks

You've started threads before about SI and history with zango like products only to dissapear when pressed to back up your false claims.

? whoah there cowboy , i didnt think i was really speaking about anything that wasnt already known.

Did standard internet get paid 1/3 of a million dollars in 2004/2005 to distribute product/adware for a company hit by the ftc for spyware last year ?

[SmokeyTheBear]

the new york attorney general called directrevenue " one of the most elusive internet spyware companies" when he prosecuted them earlier this year and several media outles reported standard internet as a distributor to the tune of 1/3 of a million dollars paid by directrevenue to you.

Its not like im just pulling this info from out of a hat...

But hey im not saying your the devil im just saying from your standpoint it isnt as big of a concern as from others standpoints right..

As long as adult and standard internet are seperate its not my concern though.

[SmokeyTheBear]

p.s. hit me up on icq im gonna try the 12xtrannies in that 404 spot but i wanted to run by where the traffic comes from to see if you still think that would be the best choice.. or if perhaps something else might be better..

Although not exactly my thing theres alot of tranny signups but not a shitload of good tranny sites.. is any of the tranny stuff xclus ?

[High Plains Drifter]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Did standard internet get paid 1/3 of a million dollars in 2004/2005 to distribute product/adware for a company hit by the ftc for spyware last year ?

$293K, to be exact.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by High Plains Drifter

$293K, to be exact.

Why you keep telling all these lies?

12Clicks don't know the meaning of scumware. He's a very modest "stand up guy" with high moral values and now "running a top notch program" while gritting his teeth because Zango beat him to it

Pity he's seen enough of Will76/Lars threads - some shit from memory lane ya just got to live with

[en21]

can't agree more... getting sick of it now

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Did standard internet get paid 1/3 of a million dollars in 2004/2005 to distribute product/adware for a company hit by the ftc for spyware last year ?

nope. we were paid considerably less for showing advertising just as we did with probably 50 other companies in that time period.
Just as probably 50 other advertisng companies ran DR ads.

Just as you want to take exception over me not seeing your tax return, I take exception with your lack of knowledge regarding mainstream advertising.

[Manowar]

this drama has gone on forever

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Anyone who really cared about stopping zango, would not be posting on gfy, they'd be hitting the FTC website.
however, its so much easier to get on the latest GFY bandwagon and seem cool.

That's what I've been saying... see, you and I don't think so differently after all

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Jace

while I think you are totally right, I think your digs on tony are unnecessary

tony and his wife have all but made the BBW niche their own, mandy is one of the most famous and best retaining bbw sites on the net...they both know what they are doing and probably have more retaining members than any 12x site you own.

tony is a intelligent and very well rounded member of the adult community, and you speak to him like he has done nothing and can't generate revenue in the adult internet industry....if you are going to dig on someone, at least do a little research first

Well said.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

nope. we were paid considerably less for showing advertising just as we did with probably 50 other companies in that time period.
Just as probably 50 other advertisng companies ran DR ads.

Just as you want to take exception over me not seeing your tax return, I take exception with your lack of knowledge regarding mainstream advertising.

Like i said i wasnt stirring shit i was making a point about how from your perspective , its not hugely suprising your sick of hearing about it..

I dont take exception to you seeing my tax return , i am just suprised you would "presume" my tax return based on nothing . I wouldnt "presume" to know how much you made from DR , i read an EXACT number , i'm not saying it was correct just saying it was reported that they paid you 1/3 million.

Do you see a slight difference ? My tax return wasnt reported in the media , the amout DR paid you was.. Thus presuming something from nothing is different than repeating a figure reported in the media

I bow to your knowledge of mainstream advertising. something i dont have huge experience in.

But back to the point . Most of the people in this thead .and those who have started zango/will76 threads ( thread topic ) , were NOT paid 1/3 million dollars from zango/dr/etc so from our perspective, its a problem. If we all were paid 1/3 of a million dollars from zango we wouldnt start any threads about it.. ( just my theory though i could be wrong )

[Peaches]

Smokey - look at it this way, Cory has admitted WEG came to you for advice on how to deal with Zango. They didn't go to 12Clicks ;)

[Peaches]

Though to think about it, since 12Clicks made money off a similar program, WEG probably DID talk to 12Clicks about it too.

[thehand]

[QUOTE=WEG Cory;11349101]One of the things that aggravates me personally is that no matter how many times you state your position, if you were not in the most recent thread condemning Zango, you are assumed to be in support.

The other day when Video Secrets said they were against Zango, they were commended and a few people posted that they were glad that a ?few companies get it.? I think a couple of people actually stated that only 5 companies were against Zango./QUOTE]


Just to clarify ,our post was about a month ago, not the other day.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=670592

[Cory W]

[QUOTE=thehand;11353241]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

One of the things that aggravates me personally is that no matter how many times you state your position, if you were not in the most recent thread condemning Zango, you are assumed to be in support.

The other day when Video Secrets said they were against Zango, they were commended and a few people posted that they were glad that a ?few companies get it.? I think a couple of people actually stated that only 5 companies were against Zango./QUOTE]


Just to clarify ,our post was about a month ago, not the other day.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=670592

The point still remains. It isn't aggressive against you, I am simply saying that if you don't stay on the boards, people forget.

We are in the same boat.

[thehand]

Yea no doubt!

[Denis_SC]

Hit me up for quality live feeds. Both straight and gay

See sig.

[JD]

Zango is the devil and I hope more and more threads about it are made each and every day until AFF and the other large programs such ass BangBros/Nastydollars do something about it

[fris]

aff will always support theives, look at piratebay and puretna (rips complete members areas)

not like its gonna stop

[Brujah]

AFF is cool. If AFF supports piratebay and puretna, we should too or we're not cool.

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by thehand

Yea no doubt!

If I posted "Weg doesn't support Zango" in a new thread, you would have about 5 or 6 webmasters that would act as if were groundbreaking. When in reality, programs like VS, Weg and a variety of others have been saying this all along.

That is sort of the downfall to this board. It goes by a "what have you said lately" mentality.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

But back to the point . Most of the people in this thead .and those who have started zango/will76 threads ( thread topic ) , were NOT paid 1/3 million dollars from zango/dr/etc so from our perspective, its a problem. If we all were paid 1/3 of a million dollars from zango we wouldnt start any threads about it.. ( just my theory though i could be wrong )

Originally Posted by 12clicks

nope. we were paid considerably less for showing advertising

not sure how many times I have to say this before you read it.

[Brujah]

Originally Posted by WEG Cory

If I posted "Weg doesn't support Zango" in a new thread, you would have about 5 or 6 webmasters that would act as if were groundbreaking. When in reality, programs like VS, Weg and a variety of others have been saying this all along.

That is sort of the downfall to this board. It goes by a "what have you said lately" mentality.

Saying this all along where?

Programs change their stance. Take the EpicCash threads for example in favor of Zango-like products and/or Moviepass.tv for example.. and then recently a thread saying it's now against their TOS.

Do you have a link to where anyone said WEG accepts or supports Zango?

[marko13]

this war will never end....

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

not sure how many times I have to say this before you read it.

I did read it and how much you made doesnt really have anything to do with it.. maybe your missing the point.. You made money from DR , we LOST money to DR .. now we are losing money to zango , and you started this thread because you were sick of hearing about drama involving adware right ? and i pointed out that its not suprising that you would be sick of it because you MADE money . you seemed to get bent out of shape that i didnt telepathically know you made less than directrevenue reported to the government... They reported paying you close to 1/3 of a million.. how am i supposed to know that those numbers according to you are incorrect.. ? I'm really not sure whats so hard to understand, pretty simple logic.. if you make money from something your not as concerned about something as when you lose money to something right.. no need to get bent out of shape about it.. If your just trying to set the record straight about the true numbers why not just disclose them instead of being vague.. or instead of being precise we can just say this.. You made money from directrevenue right ? well i'd be willing to bet 99.9% of the people starting drama threads about zango didnt make money from zango or directrevenue, and i would go a step further and say those standing up for zango are prob 99.9% users of zango or DirectRevenue type fcc indicted companies

[Cory W]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Saying this all along where?

Programs change their stance. Take the EpicCash threads for example in favor of Zango-like products and/or Moviepass.tv for example.. and then recently a thread saying it's now against their TOS.

Do you have a link to where anyone said WEG accepts or supports Zango?

In Will's first big thread. I am not searching for it. I made a statement that we don't support it. We also sent a newsletter to affiliates regarding the matter to heighten awareness.

The point is that a lot of programs are against it and actively survey the land, however, many people make it out as if that isn't the case.