_ZANGO and iFriends [screenshot]

I cant believe you just said that.



Fling will be getting more and more of my traffic.

This is fucking priceless.

how does this change anything? Does AFF still use Zango? Will is not the only one with a problem from what I can see. IF will is using Zango also how does that make AFF right? I can see why people would not send traffic to ifriends now. It just seems like 2 wrongs make a right in this case. People have told AFF about Zango and how it hurts them, If this is not true they should show the facts. Maybe I missed the post but does AFF plan on using Zango in the future?

I wouldn't know you if we bumped into each other on the street. Which means that I start out, the same as I do with anyone else, assuming you are honest, intelligent, etc. Naive, certainly. Gets me into trouble, often. I just prefer to think positively of people until they give me a reason to think differently.

You just gave me such a reason, because there can be no way you sincerely believe that is what scumware means to anyone here.

Those who download scumware have their own issues, such as transparency of disclosure, ease of removal, etc. But they are not what this means to affiliates and other sponsors. We are affected by how that advertising is placed. And the core factor is that its appearance is triggered by someone who has succeeded in getting a visitor to his or her site to click a link through to a sponsor. Generating those clicks is the reason his site exists and getting sales from those clicks is what pays his bills.

Scumware, whether automatically or because some scumware customers choose to use it that way, delivers - as the first page the surfer will see after clicking a link - a page owned by the scumware customer. Even if that page fails to make a sale, given surfers' well-known dislike of consoles (their 2nd most hated feature after spam email), the operator of the traffic generating site has little chance of making a sale.

That isn't competition, to all practical intents and purposes it is theft. In some cases trademarks are being abused and in every case the traffic is being diverted without the permission of nor compensation for the person responsible for its creation.

More than just representing a total lack of business ethics, those who work with or condone scumware also betray a total lack of business sense. If this were a reasonable business model, it would be one capable of being scaled up. But if this one were used by even a majority of sponsors and major affiliates, there wouldn't even be a point in trying to promote anyone in the affected market areas.

Taken to its logical conclusion, affiliates would end up promoting nothing but scumware installs, leaving sponsors to fight over scumware traffic, paying more and more for it until no-one made a cent. Except that of course, if affiliates did promote nothing but scumware installs, there would be no more links to other sponsors on their sites, so the scumware providers would go out of businesses and sponsors would once more need their affiliates.

Scumware providers are middlemen. They do not generate a single extra click, nor a single extra sale for the industry as a whole. All of their estimated $2 billion a year income comes straight off the bottom line of affiliates and sponsors and the only reason they even exist is because of the stupidity and greed of a relatively small number of people and the unwillingness of the majority to act in their own interests.

Forget the 2 wrongs dont make a right and just think why would someone start a hate campaign about a program that buy adware traffic, when this person is a big affiliate of a company which also buys adware traffic.
But will doesnt mention anything about the company he promotes just shit loads of stuff about a company he doesnt promote. Theres something more wrong with that imo then buying adware traffic in the first place.
If zango display pops thats up to them and the user should learn how to uninstall or use a pc forum to remove it. If zango let people bid on urls that up to them. You should be going after zango not aff or any of the other advertisers.

Jayeff, you hit it solidly right on the head.

Zango has already proven that it's methods for obtaining customers in the past (some part of the current 20 million) was not legal, and they have to pay the FTC a fine and are now having to recontact all those customers to explain.

Further, Zango continues to use a pre-checked "I agree to the terms box" and a trigger button marked "PLAY" rather than "INSTALL TOOLBAR", in violation of the same set of Truste rules that they said they would adhere to.

What AFF / Cams don't realize is that Zango is a fair weather friend, and as soon as someone with a bigger check comes down the street, Zango will sell them down the river and the fun will be over.

You are also correct Jayeff, that by popping a console in the sale process, not only do they steal the sale if possible, but they also piss of a large number of people who hate popups and don't buy from the underlying affiliate site either.

What Sagi doesn't get (and Lars I think is just playing dumb on) is that they can take steps protect their intellectual rights, and they don't have to pay Zango a ransom to retain their traffic. Just the idea that you have to pay a company to keep the people going to your domain to be actually going to your domains seems like a slam dunk legal angle. That others have been able to do this without issue, plus Zango is currently in deep shit with the FTC, it would seem pretty easy to resolve. Send a nicely worded letter to to Zango with a CC to the FTC about the issue, and see how quickly your sites are no longer sold on their marketplace.

Lars, you don't want to fix it because in the end, this has been your biggest month, you have made the most money, and that trumps it all. It isn't the affiliates, it's the cash in your pocket. I understand. I just hope everyone else does too.

Nothing that Will does or has done changes AFF/ cam's actions one bit, and nobody should forget that.

thx for sharing the info!!

Interesting , I knew this was going to pop up sooner or later

because u are the eternal surfer right?

infact that is a nice idea.

if a company could do that properly and bust popups at the very right time then i would use that definitley, but if that adware got abused then it would be totally wrong.

will76 ......... U GOT OWNED !!!

This deserves repeating.

Everyone is welcome to Google ( Gator spyware ) and read up on the mainstream companies that sued Gator for doing the EXACT same thing Zango is doing and these companies won.

Don't take my word for it, don't take Lars' word for it. Look it up yourself. SAME EXACT SITUATION...

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Really ??