Fact: Most soldiers now in Iraq were bad students

[Libertine]

What's up with America getting all offended when a politician tells the truth for once?

Most grunts in the military are dumb and lack education. They didn't choose their careers because they preferred getting shot at by brainwashed idiots over going to Harvard, most of them chose it because they had few other options open to them.

[SmokeyTheBear]

im not sure your argument holds water ( that military people are less smart than civilians ) or that most people do it because theres few options open..

I think you would need something to base that on..

Im sure there are some stupid peope there but theres alot more stupid civilians i think they just dont have guns and make tough decisions nor are they held up to such high standards..

Most americans couldnt jog with a 30 lb backpack for 1/4 mile i think heh not that that has anything to do with stupididty but..



I think lots of people who join are actually true patriots who are actually trying to do a good thing and that doesnt make them stupid.. foolhardy maybe , gullible a bit perhaps , but not stupid..

Theres prob alot of power trippers as well

but again these types of people exist in civilian life 2

[baddog]

I bet you could not even pass the test to get in.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

im not sure your argument holds water ( that military people are less smart than civilians ) or that most people do it because theres few options open..

I think you would need something to base that on..

Im sure there are some stupid peope there but theres alot more stupid civilians i think they just dont have guns and make tough decisions nor are they held up to such high standards..

Most americans couldnt jog with a 30 lb backpack for 1/4 mile i think heh not that that has anything to do with stupididty but..



I think lots of people who join are actually true patriots who are actually trying to do a good thing and that doesnt make them stupid.. foolhardy maybe , gullible a bit perhaps , but not stupid..

Theres prob alot of power trippers as well

but again these types of people exist in civilian life 2

Basic soldiers have a low-paid job that doesn't require too much in the way of education. Good students can, relatively easily, become officers.

Sure, most civilians lack education and intelligence, too. The average person has an IQ of 100 and a high school diploma, was a relatively bad student, and didn't have many job options.

Most soldiers are like janitors, factory workers, gardeners, carpenters, cops, firemen, car salesmen, etc. in terms of education and intelligence. Not like lawyers, doctors, corporate managers, college professors, etc.

[JD]

I agree with you man. I had/have a lot of friends that are military and I know from hanging out with them at the barracks that 80% of them aren't the brightest flares in the sky...

Officers are a different story, but the grunts/infantry/etc are a bunch of chest beating wackos

[DjSap]

it's similar to the practice of not calling a retard a retard to their face...people often like to think highly of themselves so when somebody brings them down to their real level it becomes uncomfortable for them...

[pigman]

Surprised?

[E$_manager]

They chose army because don't want to think, just obbey the orders. This is fact.

[mike217]

This thread is yet again, some moron basing a "fact" on nothing but what you think, not what you know. Fact: Most people in the military go in to serve their country or to get an education because they can't afford it.

While your at it just call everyone in this country stupid, since you seem to think that only doctors, lawyers, etc are smart. Hmm, last time I checked I knew quite a few lawyers that were fucking idiots. I knew more about the law than they did. That happens when your not smart and daddy writes a big check to the University to get them in.

[mike217]

I'd like someone to bring me back down to my level. But i'm too high to get down there .

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by baddog

I bet you could not even pass the test to get in.

Actually, the military tried to recruit me when I came out of high school. My degree would have gotten me straight into officer's training, and the moment I joined up I would have been an officer.

Nice try, though

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by mike217

This thread is yet again, some moron basing a "fact" on nothing but what you think, not what you know. Fact: Most people in the military go in to serve their country or to get an education because they can't afford it.

While your at it just call everyone in this country stupid, since you seem to think that only doctors, lawyers, etc are smart. Hmm, last time I checked I knew quite a few lawyers that were fucking idiots. I knew more about the law than they did. That happens when your not smart and daddy writes a big check to the University to get them in.

So you wouldn't agree that people with academic degrees, on average, have a higher intelligence and did better in school than those who become privates in the army?

In that case, there is little point in arguing with you, since you're braindead.

[schneemann]

Originally Posted by Libertine

What's up with America getting all offended when a politician tells the truth for once?

Most grunts in the military are dumb and lack education. They didn't choose their careers because they preferred getting shot at by brainwashed idiots over going to Harvard, most of them chose it because they had few other options open to them.

"Few options open to them" !== "Bad Students"

[Klen]

Funny,i just saw somewhere in newspapers how John Kerry says"Learn people and go to college,otherwise you will end in iraq"

[pornguy]

Fact: More men and women have left the military to run highly profitable bisinesses than graduate from a university.

Just because you start college, does not mean that you are smart, or that you will make anything of your self.

[schneemann]

Originally Posted by Libertine

So you wouldn't agree that people with academic degrees, on average, have a higher intelligence and did better in school than those who become privates in the army?

In that case, there is little point in arguing with you, since you're braindead.

I was a Light Infantryman in the army during Desert Storm.

I now have two degrees: BA in Philosophy and BA in Psychology. I also have 6 computer certifications.

Congratulations on making yourself look stupid.

[Klen]

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[E$_manager]

Originally Posted by schneemann

I was a Light Infantryman in the army during Desert Storm.

I now have two degrees: BA in Philosophy and BA in Psychology. I also have 6 computer certifications.

Congratulations on making yourself look stupid.

So what are you doing here?

[juz]

What are you trying to say? and do you have any proof to back your claim up or this just your assumption?

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by schneemann

I was a Light Infantryman in the army during Desert Storm.

I now have two degrees: BA in Philosophy and BA in Psychology. I also have 6 computer certifications.

Congratulations on making yourself look stupid.

You have two bachelors degrees, and still the concept of "on average" eludes you. Congratulations on being stupid

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Fact: More men and women have left the military to run highly profitable bisinesses than graduate from a university.

Just because you start college, does not mean that you are smart, or that you will make anything of your self.

Ah, but that's coming out... not going in.

The military's strict discipline means that even the biggest class clown has to do his homework and will be much better off for it.

I am inclined to agree that most people (not all) who enlist are only doing so because they have very few options otherwise.

Their life after that is forever different than their life before.

[stickyfingerz]

Interesting. My cousin is a nuclear engineer for the Navy and graduated from both high school and college with a 4.0 average. His SAT scores were around 1450 or so. Yes what a bunch of big dummies we have in our military.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Interesting. My cousin is a nuclear engineer for the Navy and graduated from both high school and college with a 4.0 average. His SAT scores were around 1450 or so. Yes what a bunch of big dummies we have in our military.

A nuclear engineer hardly counts as a "grunt"

Just for clarity: the soldiers I am talking about are the low-ranking privates getting blown up in Iraq, not officers, researchers, etc.

[directfiesta]

Hard to generalize, but I really don't know of any sibblings of congressman's, ceo's, etc ... that are in the forces...

For some, joingning is te only way out they can see :

Alvin Kilmer decided to join the US Army when he was 18 years old. There was really nothing much else to do in Tupelo, Mississippi. “I need to get out of here. Anywhere will do. I just need change.” He explained all of that to Sergeant Ralph Peterson in the Boxwood Mall shopping center. He’d been hanging out at the mall lately with Eddie Morangello and Swifty Lankhurst. Their sole objective had been to spot girls.

http://adbusters.org/the_magazine/68...f_Country.html

This is not a USA phenomena ... Who do you think join the Iraqi forces in Iraq ...

[schneemann]

Originally Posted by Libertine

A nuclear engineer hardly counts as a "grunt"

Just for clarity: the soldiers I am talking about are the low-ranking privates getting blown up in Iraq, not officers, researchers, etc.

Every enlisted person was at one time a "low-ranking private" you fucking imbecile.

[OG LennyT]

The smarter GIs usually get out after they serve 1 term. Thats what I saw anyway (on average)

Libertine thinks GFY is indicative of the United States and this is where the error in his logic comes from. In other words, don't get mad at him, pity the poor fella.

[clickhappy]

I agree with John Kerry, but you just can't say it as a politician.
And what he said was blown WAY out of proportion.
Did you see Farenheit 911? The recruiters go out into poor areas and try to grab the "low hanging fruit" to sign up for the military.
Its right there on video

[pocketkangaroo]

I don't think it's really true. The only thing I'd say is that it typically has a larger demographic of guys who grew up in poorer communities. This is more due to the recruiting centers typically targeting those communities.

Having fewer options doesn't mean dumb. A lot of your military guys are earning money to pay for college that they would otherwise not be able to afford.

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by Libertine

A nuclear engineer hardly counts as a "grunt"

Just for clarity: the soldiers I am talking about are the low-ranking privates getting blown up in Iraq, not officers, researchers, etc.

Hey idiot... a private in the infantry is the same rank as a private helicopter mechanic, radar technician, air traffic controller, satellite systems operator, medic, combat engineer, cannon crewmember, etc

And did you actually believe it when the recruiter told you that you'd be an instant officer if you joined because of your degree? Damn, and you call OTHER people stupid?

[SPACE GLIDER]

Even if this were true it just seems tacky that someone would purposely put down the people fighting and dying for us. This "someone" may in fact be more intelligent, but I'm betting I'd find the alleged "retard" more pleasant to be around.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Cristie

So what are you doing here?

Just because you don't know how to use an education to make money on the Internet does not mean that everyone is like that.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by schneemann

Every enlisted person was at one time a "low-ranking private" you fucking imbecile.

Hint: when quoting, be sure to quote all relevant parts.

I used the phrase "low-ranking private getting blown up in Iraq". Now, technically speaking, the cadet privates at West Point might be low-ranking privates, but they sure as hell aren't getting blown up in Iraq.

The same, of course, goes for many of those who join the military only after having received a particularly useful degree (e.g. those with, say, a PhD in fields of biotechnology relevant to the military).

[Jensen]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

And did you actually believe it when the recruiter told you that you'd be an instant officer if you joined because of your degree?

thats pretty common up here...

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by Libertine

What's up with America getting all offended when a politician tells the truth for once?

Most grunts in the military are dumb and lack education. They didn't choose their careers because they preferred getting shot at by brainwashed idiots over going to Harvard, most of them chose it because they had few other options open to them.

If you lived in America, by your own logic, you would be in Iraq. Dumbass

[Worldnet]

Most likely they were the ones who used to kick the shit out of geeks like you in school! Right?

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer

Hey idiot... a private in the infantry is the same rank as a private helicopter mechanic, radar technician, air traffic controller, satellite systems operator, medic, combat engineer, cannon crewmember, etc

And did you actually believe it when the recruiter told you that you'd be an instant officer if you joined because of your degree? Damn, and you call OTHER people stupid?

A private in the infantry may have the same rank, but he needs different skills, less education, and he faces a lot more danger.

As for the instant officer thing, it does work that way over here. When you are admitted to the military academy, you instantly receive the lowest officer rank ("vaandrig").

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Worldnet

Most likely they were the ones who used to kick the shit out of geeks like you in school! Right?

Nope. Over here we have schools specifically for geeks like me, which offer instant access to university.

I never had to mingle with cannon fodder

[schneemann]

Many many many officers worked their way through school while being enlisted, then signed up for OCS (officer's candidate school) once they got their degree. After passing OCS, they were then commissioned.

Face it, you couldn't reason your way out of a wet paper bag and need to take that Ubermensch title off your profile.

[OutSourceThis]

Many people join the military, to not only server their country but to better themselves, be it learning a trade or getting money for college. Yes many of our guys and gals didn't have many options except the military to get this education, but in no means does that make them dumb. None of them were given a silver spoons like the one shoved up your ass...you fucktard.

They are willing to put themselves in harms way to acheive their goals. Which is much harder then anything YOU have ever done in your worthless little life.

It's very easy for people like YOU to sit in your fat asses, in your little house, hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and judge those that wear the uniform and protect our country.

So like the sign on the door says 'GoFuckYourself'

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by SPACE GLIDER

Even if this were true it just seems tacky that someone would purposely put down the people fighting and dying for us. This "someone" may in fact be more intelligent, but I'm betting I'd find the alleged "retard" more pleasant to be around.

Is stating the facts putting someone down? If someone is not particularly intelligent and lacks education, that does not make the person in question any "lesser" than other people.

Besides, Kerry's quote (taken as not referring to Bush, but to the troops), actually objected to dumping these people in Iraq.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by schneemann

Many many many officers worked their way through school while being enlisted, then signed up for OCS (officer's candidate school) once they got their degree. After passing OCS, they were then commissioned.

Yes, a very small percentage of soldiers manage to become officers. What's your point? I never claimed that ALL soldiers lack education, or have a relatively low intelligence. I said "most", read the very first post in this thread.

And, in case you lost track of the discussion, I was specifically stating that not EVERY (your word) enlisted person was once a low-ranking private serving as cannon fodder.

[OG LennyT]

Libertine, I like how you pick the replies you can get over on and ignore the ones that point out the error in your thinking.

pitiful really

[2HousePlague]

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Move forward.



There now.



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There's something wrong here.



I have an IQ of ...



yet I don't register
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[Libertine]

Originally Posted by OutSourceThis

It's very easy for people like YOU to sit in your fat asses, in your little house, hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and judge those that wear the uniform and protect our country.

You seem to be missing the point. I am not judging them. Many people are dumb, just like many people are fat, many people are ugly, etc. There is nothing wrong with them being dumb.

There is something wrong, though, with them being sent to Iraq, not to "protect their country", but to be forced to risk their lives without any good reason.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by OG LennyT

Libertine, I like how you pick the replies you can get over on and ignore the ones that point out the error in your thinking.

pitiful really

Ehm, I already posted 12 times in this thread, 13 times including this post. I am replying to almost everything.

The only point I can think of that I haven't addressed yet is that of soldiers working to be able to go to college.

Indeed, many are. They have to work to be able to pay for college because they weren't able to get scholarships based on academic merit. In other words, they didn't do well enough in high school.

Happy now?

[sacX]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Interesting. My cousin is a nuclear engineer for the Navy and graduated from both high school and college with a 4.0 average. His SAT scores were around 1450 or so. Yes what a bunch of big dummies we have in our military.

exceptions do not make a rule.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Doubled post

it should get fixed soon

[tony286]

if the military was so wonderful they wouldnt of had to lower the requirements to get in or raise the age where now you can join the army up to 42.

[tony286]

sorry it posted five times

[OutSourceThis]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Indeed, many are. They have to work to be able to pay for college because they weren't able to get scholarships based on academic merit. In other words, they didn't do well enough in high school.

Happy now?

You truely are in your own little world! Do you really believe the horse shit you are shoveling? To insinuate that the only reason someone would need to "work" to to pay for college is because their academic merit was lower then others?...
In the real world (this doesn't include yours) people even the best and brightest can't always get a scholarship to pay their way.

I'm amazed at your twisted logic. You are obviously a very highly intelligent person. I have found most people like you, are called book smart. Which means you lack real world knowledge, street smarts and the most basic common sense. (something our lowly privates over in Iraq have...Guess they are one up on you)