Jace

damn good idea

TheDoc

This may clear things up...

RSS feeds, like Topbucks and 90% of the programs have ARE CORRECT feeds. The real problem is, webmasters don't know how to use the feeds correctly.

Feedwordpress, is how to NOT use a feed correctly. Most BLOG readers use a description field for the posts, not the feed. So, lets say the sponsor has a hosted gallery feed. The ONLY way the feed will work in wordpress is if the sponsor wrote the entire post, with the photo, and parsed link, for the webmaster. Even if I have description tags, a thumbnail tag, links, ect.. wordpress will ignore all the fields, other than that description tag.

Webmasters have no room to complain. First, you yell at us for the feeds, then yell at us fully populate every field in the feed, yet you never take the time to learn how to properly use the feeds yourself.


Learn how to properly use the technology, then you can complain.

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teksonline

ok thanks...

I'll explain that namespace thing as I read the guys on feedvalidator.org explained it to me (us) whoever reads their page hehe

why you should not make up things like <category> etc in RSS feeds
and why they should be in their own namespace

Take for instance a RSS feed some guy is supplying news info with for example. now in his RSS feed he decided to add
<banking>First National Bank</banking>

as you can see this is fine to most, but what about the airport guys that read in rss feeds and have a different definition of banking
and theirs is
<banking>45 degree angle 30% Speed</banking>

As you can see it can get out of scope really fast, and if everyone starts using their own defination of made up tags, RSS is useless.. hence why
they create the namespace thing that goes in the RSS header...
then the feed passes validation and everyone understands what they mean by those extended elements.

teksonline

Wordpress is doing exactly what it should be doing, ignoring those
tags that are invalid in the RSS specification... wordpress will read description, or content:encoded, choosing the prior first... It will not
read in automatically the other parts, however if you edit it, they will be
there, but perhaps borken if not in a correct Namespace.

Jace

well, it isn't just feedwordpress, it is most of the rss software out there, it will take the title and turn it into the permalink...that is STANDARD for rss software, ALL of them....as long as the permalink feature is turned on wordpress, it will take the title of the rss post and turn it into the permalink

I have been working with blogs and rss for a long fucking time now and to say I don't know how to use them is rediculous...

it is funny though, the sponsors that have great blog rss feeds that contain great content and proper keywords are getting tons of action, but the sponsors that give us total shit keep coming and asking why webmasters aren't using them

if everyone is using feedwordpress, would it make more sense to go along with them instead of bitching about everyone using that?

btw, I can complain whever I fucking want, it is a beef that I, and others, constantly have....

teksonline

ughm that could be based on the fact that 99% of all the feeds use <guid> incorrectly?
<guid IsPermaLink="False">http://www.link</guid>
how many do you see like this?
mostly you see <guid></guid> or even worse no guid at all hehe

Jace

yeah, people do have their feeds pretty jacked up

i think there needs to be some sort of software out there that sponsors can use that would produce quality feeds that are 100% validated...i wonder if anyone makes such a piece of software? hehe

Jace

all right, back to work

great thread though you all, I am going to bump it from time to time....with more input from users and programs we could eventually have some really solid rss feeds in the adult internet world

one thing I did learn is that there are two types of rss users, the tgper and the blogger.....and I think if sponsors really wanna do it up right, they need to create tgp and blog rss feeds, and make sure and not sell their tgp as blog and vice versa

topbucks has tgp rss feeds, while I am constantly looking for blog rss feeds

teksonline

well it's pretty simple, first you have to understand it, you can learn by enter any feed url into http://www.feedvalidator.org
and when it comes back failed, read why

The fact is they are just hiring these overseas 5 dollar coders who never looked at RSS feed before in their life, and/or looked at other borken feeds and think they can just make up anything and expect it to conform itself into everyones (societies everyday) use... if you think about it.. its like trying to buy pc software and go home to install it on a mac.. the shit just aint gonna work hehe

Jace

hey teksonline, i meant to ask you, how hard do you think it would be to create a blog submitter application? I know all blog directories tend use different software, so I guess it would have to be some sort of windows app

Jace

I love that site, I use it all the time when I grab a new rss feed from a sponsor...the results are sad 90% of the time though

maalox

I grabbed a feed from topbucks for my feedwordpress,it didn't work good before but i'll try it again.....

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teksonline

Very simple but very tedious


So ok back to your statement, there are 2 types of adult bloggers, TGP and
blog feeders.. So what we have to do is create 2 namespaces

I already started one, the TGP one, and now we must work together on improving that one, as well as creating the other one... lets think of a name.. how about something like

<adultfeeder></adultfeeder>

then we can define within that all the elements, from thumbnails, thumbnail sizes, and other items

maalox

OK i tried it and this was the answer i got when i tried to update feeds
Error: I don't syndicate http://rss.topbucks.com/?nostyle=1&r...ed=stat icvid
bummer..

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just a punk

Oops! Here is a working link: Real-Bucks.com

And thank you for telling me about a mistake in my signature - it's fixed now!

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teksonline

Maalox, is feedwordpress somethign different then wordpress? I just loaded that feed into my wordpress syndication spot, updated content and it imported fine.. It also is a valid feed

Jace

haha, np man

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Trixxxia

Jace - Ok I see what it's doing on yours - **still having your setup done on one of my servers as I type though** just so I can find and test and go bug some RSS people to figure out how to make it work with 'yours'.

As for the RSS feed working in Blogs - it works in mine. Keep in mind that Topbucks was giving AutoBloggerPro to affiliates, hence, making it work in ABP. Anyhow - if you add me to ICQ I'll keep you updated with what I find.

Thanks for the feedback - we don't want to cater to only 'one' type - we want to cater to 98% of the webmasters - & if it's not exactly what you want, we want to make sure we find you a workaround.

Anyhow - back to work for me!

Jace

just FYI, there are hundreds of webmasters out there that use feedwordpress, just because others aren't speaking up on a sunday night doesn't mean they aren't there....so far though, on a sunday night, there are 2 people in this thread alone that have issues with your feeds

and let me add further, your feed was just one example of tons of feeds out there that don't have any links in the feeds....when you create something like an rss feed, you not only have your end to worry about, you should also link se text and have images so that the feed it rich with content and helps you along with the affiliates

I would never use any feed that was a single sentence, your feed just caught my eye when I was in another thread

wanna see how a rss feed should be for blog users? check out spunkbucks feeds....I get loads of search engine traffic because I use their feeds

Jace

trixxxia, just because I am the only one speaking up does not mean it is just an issue with mine only, it just means that others have looked and passed on using your feeds and they don't even think about it now...and it wouldn't even have been yours that I singled out if you hadn't posted about topbucks feeds 2 minutes before I made this thread ;)

just a punk

Here is a snapshot of Real-Bucks hosted blog and their RSS feeds you may use on your own blogs with your own ref codes:


BTW, the feeds are separated by categories (e.g. Straight, Gay, Teen, Mature, Tranny, Toons, Lesbian, Fetish)

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maalox

Yea it's a plug-in for feeds for the wordpress blog,usually it works real good but it won't give me a good feedburner feed when i use nubiles or mpbabes but works well with for example Adult Movie Club Big Tits Rss Feeds

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TheDoc

Hey Jace.. First, I do agree with you. Programs should build feeds that work with TGP’s and Blogs. But understand when a program releases feeds they will almost always work for TGP’s and not blogs, since we built hosted galleries for TGPs. Since that is the case a very small % of programs had full write-ups for galleries, most only had short descriptions. So now some programs have to build 1000’s of blog posts for galleries, it’s a huge project that gets put in line with other projects.

100’s of programs will be coming out with feeds in the next year. As the standard starts to get set in the industry it will catch on to others. The entire feed world is still very new to almost everyone. 10% of the programs have feeds, and pretty much all them are starting to improve on what they have.

Once a standard starts to get set and people get educated on how to really build and properly use feeds you will find that software like feedwordpress and most other 3rd party readers won’t be needed. It isn’t a standard for programs to follow, it’s a standard that will happen once everyone realizes what feeds can really be used for.

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our RSS feeds pull the girls diary entries and every time a new set is added to the tour. So you get almost daily entries and great text too. Every time any link is posted, there is a "Visit My Site - Click Here" link below the post !

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Trixxxia

Oh Jace, don't think that I think you're the only one LMAO I'm just used to people hitting me up rightaway when they don't like something that I was baffled as to 'what' it was - whether it was something that was put online as a 'test' or what...

It's all good though - I'll find out how to make it work right for feedwordpress and simplify it for you.

**kids gotta go to sleep - will check later if it's setup on my server yet and will play around with it**

Jace

killer, I look forward...I will add you to ICQ too so we can chat more

I would LOVE to see you all take those reality paysite updates and create blog feeds out of them ;)

Jace

you are totally correct, the future is only going to get better for rss ;)

I guess I am just really vocal and harsh at times because I see all these paysites with kickass update text and pics that could easily just be thrown into a rss script at the same time the paysite updates, and all programs do is pay someone hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars, to put out a line of text and sometimes a thumb

take this for example:
http://www.herfirstanalsex.com/s1/index.html

that is KILLER content for an rss feed, and I imagine that is run from a cms of some sort, and almost every cms now has rss capabilites...so why not just take those 4 thumbs, and that big description, and create a killer feed? it seems like such the logical thing to do...but instead sponsors (and not just top bucks) will create a whole new feed and never touch those paysite updates...LOL

Trixxxia

**back**
No, the original idea from all our suggestions and polls and feedback on our forum was to offer feeds with the descriptions + different thumbs so it would show up with all that data. Now - Why it doesn't work with a standard blog (meaning, why the thumb doesn't show on the blog - I don't know) but I will find out.

TheDoc

Very few paysite CMS systems have feeds. With that, only a very small amount of paysites have descriptions for movies or photo sets within the member areas.

I have already seen the problem programs will have with rss feeds. We built the xml/rss system for NATS. Building it into NATS, so you can get rss linking codes, and it go into the feed, was one hell of a task.. let alone make sure we did the feed correctly. It's an on going learning project. I know how much trouble we have had, I can only imagine what other programs are going through.

An example of our feed built into NATS. We don't have big desc tags, yet.

http://in.bustyamateurboobs.com/rss/...show=10&type=1

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Trixxxia

Jace - if you're awake, please contact me. Been playing around with WP the way it's setup for you and need to chat with you ;) Thanks

teksonline

You need to fix the length on your thumb includes.Somehow I doubt they are all length of 5000 there are many functions available to do this, best way would probably be with the use of cURL

Nathan

I have to agree with both Jace and TheDoc here...

It is very important to have a lot of info in good RSS feeds. Extremely important to use <enclosure /> for example, and also very good to use Yahoo's mRSS extension (media content) if you have videos embeded in the feed.

The feeds I am building for a new project of mine have a good <description /> which is HTML and can be directly put into blogs, but I also use <media:thumbnail /> <media:title /> <media:description /> <author /> <pubDate /> and of course <guid /> and <link /> for additional info that is all INCLUDED in the description HTML but if someone wants to grab the info one by one and build their OWN design based on it, there is no problem to do so.

The BEST way to use an RSS feed is via customizing how to output the info so you can actually display the content the way YOU want it and not let someone inject pure HTML into your blog. Of course this requires having all the info needed to do so.

teksonline, building a standardised TGP extension to RSS is a great idea, we should definately do that.. if you would like some more feedback on what you made already, get a hold of me on ICQ 1889711.

OzMan

I too think the answer to success in RSS is the sponsor providing as much raw data as possible and the affiliate learning how to manipulate it, especially the description. This will ensure your output is truly unique and not just because you have a different size pic than the next guy.

For the webmaster not skilled in this manipulation, anything less than customization options from the sponsor to the point that each affiliate gets his own feed with unique text will tend to suck in the long term unless you are the only webmaster pushing that feed.

Most Sponsors who have jumped on the "yeah we have that RSS thing too" bandwagon in the last year remind me of a couple of television commercials.

The first one for fandango, where you can buy your movie tickets online. The guy that doesn't know what the fuck fandango is overhears the couple mention it at the ticket counter and thinks all he needs to do is mention that word and he will be cool and get his tickets.

The other one is the latest verizon commercial, where the guy asks the verizon competitor if their network can do that an he says something like "sure why not" without understanding what the guy wants.

It's weird that there have been so many threads about Sponsors asking affiliates what they want in a feed, usually after Affiliates complain about what they first put out, that you would think the latest sponsors coming out with RSS would have some pretty hot feeds, but no.

In a nutshell, for a Sponsor to really stand out, they need to do two things that are of course easier said than done.

1) Have as many customization options as possible, ideally including a text generator to pump out a unique description for each affiliate's feed so the lazy/busy webmaster can grab it and go.

and/or

2) Provide as much raw data as possible so that the affiliate can take customization to the next level beyond whatever can be generated by the options offered by the sponsor.

REßEL

Amen Nathan and Oz. It's the raw data that is sadly lacking in feeds. I know Jace keeps going on about tgp, but I haven't ever used a feed on a tgp. This is not as he concludes the difference between TGPers and Bloggers using the feed, it's the difference between someone knowing HOW to use and manipulate and feed and someone using a plugin that doesn't have a clue how to use a feed without a plugin.

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Jace - when you get a sec please contact me.

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Hi Jace,

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We have also provided our affiliates with a video tutorial on how to use the RSS feed.

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BV

Interesting thread but I still don't understand. I think we should call them RHS feeds (Real Hard Syndication) instead of RSS (Real Simple Syndication)

Jace can you or someone tell me if my RSS feeds suck or are decent?

http://www.beachmodel.com/free_galle...c=l&disp_num=0

I am guessing that this feed is just for TGP's and not blogs?
This is Woj's script in action.

Any help an input would be appreciated as I would like to have good blog feeds.

Cheers,
BV