TCG , NASTYDOLLARS, IFRIENDS , ADULT.com ( ads by zango )

[SmokeyTheBear]

ifriends id = ( no ref code , internal ?
nastydollars id=pawczek
tcg = bdld
playboy w=128579

site toppaysitesguide.com

Now before any sponsors go off half cocked , i dont suggest "yanking" these affiliates ( unless they are internal accounts )

I think ( and im pretty sure many others feel the same way ) that you should explain to these affiliates that this source of traffic is unacceptable as in some cases could be ripping off other webmasters

*p.s. bangbros should not be in the title i found no bangbros ( sorry bb )

[TurboAngel]

Ohhhhh boy.

[Pimpin_J]

GFYdrama.com - see you there..............

[Phoenix]

isnt banbros and nastydollars one and the same though?

[polish_aristocrat]

smokey, you're wrong !!!

these are 7search or findwhat feeds !

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

smokey, you're wrong !!!

these are 7search or findwhat feeds !

yup metrics direct

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

isnt banbros and nastydollars one and the same though?

yup but to be fair i didnt find bangbros sites only nastydollars so i figured i would clarify

[Dirty F]

Hey, thats my affiliate account. Please remove it Smokey. I dont appreciate you posting it here.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

yup metrics direct

huh? ....

[tranza]

Originally Posted by Franck

Hey, thats my affiliate account. Please remove it Smokey. I dont appreciate you posting it here.

Lol, which one?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

yup but to be fair i didnt find bangbros sites only nastydollars so i figured i would clarify

same owners though...so they need to be lumped together

[polish_aristocrat]

seriously, the information posted in this thread is obviously wrong

Smokey you're so smart, yet you cant figure out that the info you posted are people who advertise with 7search / findwhat or goclick?

this is IN NO WAY RELATED TO ZANGO

[CaptainHowdy]

GET THEM SMOKEY !!

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

seriously, the information posted in this thread is obviously wrong

Smokey you're so smart, yet you cant figure out that the info you posted are people who advertise with 7search / findwhat or goclick?

this is IN NO WAY RELATED TO ZANGO

http://resultsmaster.com/SmartOffers/SmartOffers.aspx

The people advertise with metricsdirect , they have lots and lots of search feed programs that are associated with it.. zango goes hand in hand with metricsdirect

[Xenophage]

Ohhhh snap

[Jay]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

ifriends id = ( no ref code , internal ?
nastydollars id=pawczek
tcg = bdld
playboy w=128579

site toppaysitesguide.com

Now before any sponsors go off half cocked , i dont suggest "yanking" these affiliates ( unless they are internal accounts )

I think ( and im pretty sure many others feel the same way ) that you should explain to these affiliates that this source of traffic is unacceptable as in some cases could be ripping off other webmasters

*p.s. bangbros should not be in the title i found no bangbros ( sorry bb )

Explain please, ...cause I don't see what you're referring to. If we have an affiliate using Zango, email the proof to me and their account will be terminated. I am sooo tired of these conspiracy theories and finger pointing with ZERO proof.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

http://resultsmaster.com/SmartOffers/SmartOffers.aspx

The people advertise with metricsdirect , they have lots and lots of search feed programs that are associated with it.. zango goes hand in hand with metricsdirect

you're potentially hurting honest people biz here, you're 100% wrong

EDIT i icqed you, are you on ?

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Jay

Explain please, ...cause I don't see what you're referring to. If we have an affiliate using Zango, email the proof to me and their account will be terminated. I am sooo tired of these conspiracy theories and finger pointing with ZERO proof.

he has 0 prove cause he is wrong

he puts enough research into spelling errors on sponsor's paysites, but here he didnt do his homework

[SmokeyTheBear]

plain and simple zango users see those ads ( and most other adware programs use this or other "fake se's " to push traffic through , its called click laundering..

Now like i said i dont suggest sponsors go off half cocked suggest an open dialog with affiliates for those concerned.. there are plenty of "legit" webmasters who's names appear there im sure who dont understand where the traffic is coming from..

[SmokeyTheBear]

i will re-clarify for those confused/concerned

The accounts mentioned above ARE NOT RIPPING PEOPLE OFF DIRECTLY

those affiliates were found thru zango

so sponsors "SHOULD NOT GO OFF HALF COCKED " and term these accounts..

Some of the sites listed may be from other search feeds therefor unrelated regardless these accounts are being pumped to zango users so i suggest an open dialog

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Jay

Explain please, ...cause I don't see what you're referring to. If we have an affiliate using Zango, email the proof to me and their account will be terminated. I am sooo tired of these conspiracy theories and finger pointing with ZERO proof.

http://resultsmaster.com/SmartOffers...r=zangotoolbar

go here type in keyword ..

but like i said some of these people arent directly advertising through zango , they may be advertising through sister companies so i suggest an open dialog with affiliates found to be promoting thru such means

[RawAlex]

http://www.google.com/search?q=pawcz...en-US:official


pawczek ends up on some pretty interesting pages...

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Smokey you're so smart, yet you cant figure out that the info you posted are people who advertise with 7search / findwhat or goclick?

this is IN NO WAY RELATED TO ZANGO

type any of the companies you just named into google along with the keyword "spyware"

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

http://www.google.com/search?q=pawcz...en-US:official


pawczek ends up on some pretty interesting pages...

well the ads are bought thru a search engine much like adwords , so the same ads will show up on any partner .. just like adwords

[Jace]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

http://resultsmaster.com/SmartOffers/SmartOffers.aspx

The people advertise with metricsdirect , they have lots and lots of search feed programs that are associated with it.. zango goes hand in hand with metricsdirect

isn't metricsdirect zango now?

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

type any of the companies you just named into google along with the keyword "spyware"

type any of these PPC SE'S in GFY search and ( assuming the search will work ) you'll see that 7search, Goclick and FindWhat are some of the biggest PPC SE'S out there, used by many people, including the most established webmasters here

two of the biggest PPC SE'S are obviously Overture ( Yahoo ) and Google AdWords and then there are the companies that I mentioned above

so you cant really accuse people of using these PPC SE's and hinting directly or indirectly that they are using Zango

anyway, we talked about it and I know things are clearer now

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

type any of these PPC SE'S in GFY search and ( assuming the search will work ) you'll see that 7search, Goclick and FindWhat are some of the biggest PPC SE'S out there, used by many people, including the most established webmasters here

alot of people use crack , doesnt make it right or legal , doesnt take a rocket scientist to type "7search spyware" into google and see they are directly implicated in spyware.. i dont care if god himself is advertising on zango/7search ( fil in your fav spyware se here ), doesnt make it any better..

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

two of the biggest PPC SE'S are obviously Overture ( Yahoo ) and Google AdWords and then there are the companies that I mentioned above

im not finding any direct links to spyware from overture/adwords

The above mentioned se's are all directly linked to spyware

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

so you cant really accuse people of using these PPC SE's and hinting directly or indirectly that they are using Zango

i didnt i said they were found on zango..

[gfx3]

bump for this

[clickclickclick]

shavem all let god sortem out

[WiredGuy]

Smokey, the site you indicated of ResultsMaster is also using feeds from other PPC SE's as most aggregators do. I've seen my own listings on there provided from GoClick and FindWhat, this doesn't mean I'm advertising through Zango. While Zango might be supplementing their income by carrying PPC SE feeds, this doesn't mean the advertisers are using Zango / Metrics Direct.
WG

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Smokey, the site you indicated of ResultsMaster is also using feeds from other PPC SE's as most aggregators do. I've seen my own listings on there provided from GoClick and FindWhat, this doesn't mean I'm advertising through Zango. While Zango might be supplementing their income by carrying PPC SE feeds, this doesn't mean the advertisers are using Zango / Metrics Direct.
WG

Partly because we have no way to know whether an "affiliate" is really an affiliate or not, but mainly because the end result is the same, I don't think it matters a damn who buys from Zango and/or other scumware operators, nor who placed the promo. At the end of the line is a sponsor who is not taking adequate steps to ensure that none of his sales are being generated via scumware.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by jayeff

Partly because we have no way to know whether an "affiliate" is really an affiliate or not, but mainly because the end result is the same, I don't think it matters a damn who buys from Zango and/or other scumware operators, nor who placed the promo. At the end of the line is a sponsor who is not taking adequate steps to ensure that none of his sales are being generated via scumware.

What if the affiliate isn't aware of it. For example, I'm buying traffic from GoClick and Findwhat and I do see my sites listed there because ResultsMaster is carrying their feeds. The complaint that Smokey is making should be geared towards the PPC SE's in this case for allowing the feed to be carried, not the affiliate program.
WG

[RawAlex]

Wiredguy, it is still the same end result - Zango (which is an asterixware company) profits from running PPC SE feeds. They encourage surfers to use these searches, and the method they get them to searches is either by popping them over other sites (rare) or by doing the usual things like getting the user to set their home page, add bookmarks, and for some scumware companies, even more devious means.

People paying for adwords (or other SE feeds) need to say to those suppliers "I don't want my ads to run on scumware sites, and I will not pay for traffic from those sites... and if you are not able to handle that, I will not buy from you". The economic pressure of any number of people walking away from ad campaigns because of this stuff will make those companies consider their position.

A sharply worded letter about placing ads on sites which many consider to be scumware might also help out.

Economic pressure will change the game.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Wiredguy, it is still the same end result - Zango (which is an asterixware company) profits from running PPC SE feeds. They encourage surfers to use these searches, and the method they get them to searches is either by popping them over other sites (rare) or by doing the usual things like getting the user to set their home page, add bookmarks, and for some scumware companies, even more devious means.

People paying for adwords (or other SE feeds) need to say to those suppliers "I don't want my ads to run on scumware sites, and I will not pay for traffic from those sites... and if you are not able to handle that, I will not buy from you". The economic pressure of any number of people walking away from ad campaigns because of this stuff will make those companies consider their position.

A sharply worded letter about placing ads on sites which many consider to be scumware might also help out.

Economic pressure will change the game.

This happened with Overture when they carried I believe the Gator toolbar (I could be wrong here). Eventually they were pulled because of the poor quality of clicks. Either way, the pressure needs to be put on the PPC SE for carrying the feed, not the affiliate program.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

alot of people use crack , doesnt make it right or legal

most, if not all people know that drugs are wrong or illegal

on the other hand if a webmaster decides to spend $500 on a popular PPC SE hoping to make $700 from it, then it's fair and legal business, done in good faith

especially since - even though as you claim companies like 7Search are linked to spyware - you can't say that most of the webmsters are aware of that.

so f.e. banning a webmaster from TCG or ND because he decided to promote a particular sponsor program through one of the leading PPC SE's would be a wrong and a very unfortunate decision

EDIT: your first post sounded like an accusation of affiliates whos aff. codes you posted, but you already corrected your statement

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

What if the affiliate isn't aware of it. For example, I'm buying traffic from GoClick and Findwhat and I do see my sites listed there because ResultsMaster is carrying their feeds. The complaint that Smokey is making should be geared towards the PPC SE's in this case for allowing the feed to be carried, not the affiliate program.
WG

It makes zero difference to me whether someone gets involved with scumware deliberately or by accident, mainly because after 10+ years in this business I rarely expect to learn the truth anyway.

How different is this from the relaxed attitude to spam, which changed as soon as the FTC delivered someone a massive fine? Suddenly all the sponsors were perfectly well able to get their act together. This is just the same and if a few affiliates get publicly canned, losing a bunch of money in the process, you can be damn sure most of the rest will soon start being more careful of their associations.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

This happened with Overture when they carried I believe the Gator toolbar (I could be wrong here). Eventually they were pulled because of the poor quality of clicks. Either way, the pressure needs to be put on the PPC SE for carrying the feed, not the affiliate program.

Sorry, that just don't hold water. The affiliate programs can say "we don't traffic from zango.com or other asterixware sites" and that would be the end of it. Affiliates would be forced to take action.

Who else do you think is going to have the push to solve the issue?

I CHALLENGE ALL SPONSORSHIP PROGRAMS TO SAY PUBLICALLY: "WE DON'T TAKE TRAFFIC FROM ZANGO".

Come on, I know you can do it!

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

most, if not all people know that drugs are wrong or illegal

exactly , im not saying because you buy something from a crack dealer your bying crack im saying your buying shit from a crack dealer

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

on the other hand if a webmaster decides to spend $500 on a popular PPC SE hoping to make $700 from it, then it's fair and legal business, done in good faith

not if he is buying stolen traffic , its nothing different than if you went into a pawnshop and bought a bike that turned out to be stolen..
its still stolen regardless of if the pawnshop is popular or used for legit purposes. the bike is still stolen.. sure you wont be charged with stealing it.. but you could be charged with possesing it.

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

especially since - even though as you claim companies like 7Search are linked to spyware - you can't say that most of the webmsters are aware of that.

now they are

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

so f.e. banning a webmaster from TCG or ND because he decided to promote a particular sponsor program through one of the leading PPC SE's would be a wrong and a very unfortunate decision

EDIT: your first post sounded like an accusation of affiliates whos aff. codes you posted, but you already corrected your statement

if it was misunderstood i clarified.. in the original post i said for sponsors not to go off half cocked and ban these people , just to make their affiliates aware they dont want spyware traffic , especially the purchase/manipulation of trademarked names

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

What if the affiliate isn't aware of it. For example, I'm buying traffic from GoClick and Findwhat and I do see my sites listed there because ResultsMaster is carrying their feeds. The complaint that Smokey is making should be geared towards the PPC SE's in this case for allowing the feed to be carried, not the affiliate program.
WG

yup good clarification , and that should be made very clear , not all of these affiliates know they are being promoted thru spyware as they dont realise their advertising campaign is sold this way.. this is both a heads up to affiliates , sponsors and ppc se's

Just like visa's "know your customer" webmasters should "know their advertiser " and sponsors should "know ther affiliates "

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Sorry, that just don't hold water. The affiliate programs can say "we don't traffic from zango.com or other asterixware sites" and that would be the end of it. Affiliates would be forced to take action.

Who else do you think is going to have the push to solve the issue?

I CHALLENGE ALL SPONSORSHIP PROGRAMS TO SAY PUBLICALLY: "WE DON'T TAKE TRAFFIC FROM ZANGO".

Come on, I know you can do it!

It's not that simple. If I'm buying traffic from a PPC SE, I can't go up to them and tell them I do NOT want traffic from such a site. Most PPC SE's do not have the infrastructure to do this. So whether I like it or not, I will be buying traffic from them as long as they're carrying a feed from the SE. The only way to stop this is to put pressure on the PPC SE to drop the feed. I don't have the ability to pick and choose when you buy from an aggregator like Yahoo or Miva or GoClick.
WG

[Nikki_Licks]

I was hoping to hear Will76 chime in here. Maybe he is checking it out thoroughly before making any comments...

[RawAlex]

Wiredguy, sure you can... tell them "either don't let me run on sites with this material (that obtains traffic in violation of your ToS), or I will take my account somewhere else".

If you are dealing with a PPC SE that is more than willing to take toolbar traffic, then how long do you think before they start screwing you over with extra dud clicks and other things... after all, it's all small crimes, right?

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Wiredguy, sure you can... tell them "either don't let me run on sites with this material (that obtains traffic in violation of your ToS), or I will take my account somewhere else".

If you are dealing with a PPC SE that is more than willing to take toolbar traffic, then how long do you think before they start screwing you over with extra dud clicks and other things... after all, it's all small crimes, right?

How many webmasters do you see pulling PPC campaigns because of this?
WG

[RawAlex]

Wiredguy, not a single one... because most people are so busy working on right now, that they can't look past the ends of their noses to see not only are they selling themselves out, but they are helping the enemy to rearm.