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Varius · 10-25-2006, 11:57 AM

While many companies have opposed their practices, while others seem to endorse it or not care, IwantU.com doesn't like to just sit around (we prefer to lay there unconscious LOL)

I have a conf. call with Zango today in an effort to get something done regarding our keywords/affiliates.

I'll keep you all updated

Pimpin_J · 10-25-2006, 12:05 PM

good news!

MikesTraffic · 10-25-2006, 12:07 PM

the most that will happen is the people that buy traffic from them will switch to an affiliate program that doesnt care as long as they get paid

Varius · 10-25-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MikesTraffic

the most that will happen is the people that buy traffic from them will switch to an affiliate program that doesnt care as long as they get paid

That's a good point, but we unfortunately can't control what other programs will do....hopefully enough people will realize that if something can be done, they will drop programs who don't care to do anything.

squishypimp · 10-25-2006, 12:18 PM

sig spot.

MarkMan · 10-25-2006, 12:23 PM

hmm good idea

let us know

JD · 10-25-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp

sig spot.

well placed sig spot

OzMan · 10-25-2006, 12:25 PM

what's the number and time , I promise I won't even so much as cough during the call

Varius · 10-26-2006, 10:35 AM

UPDATE

Not much got done yet from this call, I'm now waiting on them to go to higher "higher ups", etc.....

However should this attempt fall through, we have a Plan B that will be a lot less 'friendly'...then, well if it has to go to Plan C that involves missing bodies and crocodiles

RawAlex · 10-26-2006, 10:39 AM

Varius, I personally think you would be on fairly strong legal ground to require them to stop selling clicks based on your domains as a trigger. There is a concept of "interfering with a business relationship" specifically between you and your customers and you and your affiliates.

If this "attempt" fails, I would highly recommend you get with a good lawyer who understands this sort of thing, look up past settlements and arrangements made (see some of the gain/gator stuff on google) and move forward to protect your business and affiliates from asterixware poachers.

More power to you for trying!

ryuken · 10-26-2006, 10:43 AM

Give them Hell Keith!

Varius · 10-26-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Varius, I personally think you would be on fairly strong legal ground to require them to stop selling clicks based on your domains as a trigger. There is a concept of "interfering with a business relationship" specifically between you and your customers and you and your affiliates.

If this "attempt" fails, I would highly recommend you get with a good lawyer who understands this sort of thing, look up past settlements and arrangements made (see some of the gain/gator stuff on google) and move forward to protect your business and affiliates from asterixware poachers.

More power to you for trying!

This is Plan B

will76 · 10-26-2006, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

UPDATE

Not much got done yet from this call, I'm now waiting on them to go to higher "higher ups", etc.....

However should this attempt fall through, we have a Plan B that will be a lot less 'friendly'...then, well if it has to go to Plan C that involves missing bodies and crocodiles

Contact this guy. He is the one you want to talk to. Tell him " Will76" sent you.

Stan Monlux

Sr. Director of Business Development

425-279-1141

[email protected]

And before some of you whin about private info being posted, He did send this to me through email but I checked and it matches the info on their site, so it is public info.

Various Stan is the guy you want to talk to.

If you guys have iwantu trademarked then it would be an open shut case.

Do some research on Gator. Here is one article from a couple years ago... What Gator was doing sounds familar ? ;)

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Originally Posted by http://pcworld.com/article/id,109305-page,1/article.html

A lawsuit filed last July by seven major news organizations to stop pop-up online advertising company Gator from displaying its ads on their Web sites has been settled, but the outcome has been sealed by the court.

That means that there will be no public announcement of whether the result favored Gator or the seven news organizations.

The lawsuit alleged that Redwood City, California-based Gator piggybacked off their Web sites by placing pop-up ads that compete with the advertising that the sites sell. The plaintiffs were the Washington Post, Dow Jones, Tribune Interactive, the New York Times, Knight Ridder, Advance Publications, and Gannett. The publishers said they have 15 Web sites among them that draw millions of viewers monthly.

Gator attorney Janet Cullum Monday confirmed that a settlement was reached last week, but added that all details are to remain confidential under an agreement by the parties. Cullum had no additional comment on the settlement.

Online Conflicts
The suit alleged that Gator displays ads that directly compete with services and products offered by the plaintiffs' Web sites. For instance, the suit says Gator displayed an ad for travel Web site Travelocity.com on a plaintiff-owned Web site--Concierge.com--that offered discount travel deals similar to those promoted by Travelocity.com.

Gator chief executive officer and president Jeff McFadden couldn't be reached for comment Monday.

Gator's software and other programs like it often come bundled with other applications that users download, such as file-sharing software or media players. The software can then track users' surfing habits and display content, such as ads, that most users are unaware have no connection with the site they are viewing.

A similar lawsuit was filed in November by the Six Continents Hotels and Inter-Continental Hotels chains, which also alleged that Gator illegally added its pop-up ads to their Web sites, leading to confusion for customers.

will76 · 10-26-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Varius, I personally think you would be on fairly strong legal ground to require them to stop selling clicks based on your domains as a trigger. There is a concept of "interfering with a business relationship" specifically between you and your customers and you and your affiliates.

If this "attempt" fails, I would highly recommend you get with a good lawyer who understands this sort of thing, look up past settlements and arrangements made (see some of the gain/gator stuff on google) and move forward to protect your business and affiliates from asterixware poachers.

More power to you for trying!

Yeap, here you have it. iwantu (no disrespect to them) but a company that makes a lot less then AFF wants to do something about this. Lars from AFF (100million++) a year company doesn't want to protect his trade mark because he said it would be too expensive to do so.

IwantU, going above and beyond. Thanks.

Varius · 10-26-2006, 11:46 AM

Thanks for the info Will

Yes we do own the trademark on our domain name, which is why I can't see why they'd not agree to disallow bids on our domain. I guess they feel we wouldn't pursue any action because we are in Costa Rica, however we do have incorporation in USA, Canada and the UK as well

I will see what Stan says though, hopefully for all involved they'll just agree with us lon before it has to go any further.

marketsmart · 10-26-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

missing bodies and crocodiles

Varius · 10-26-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

Don't worry, that's only Plan C a last resort heheheheh...we *almost* never have had to resort to that before

Manowar · 10-26-2006, 12:25 PM

hopefully this will bring good news

jayeff · 10-26-2006, 12:31 PM

It guess it won't happen, but wouldn't it be wonderful poetic justice if in the end the only worthwhile domain name AFF could bid on was their own

mortenb · 10-26-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Varius

While many companies have opposed their practices, while others seem to endorse it or not care, IwantU.com doesn't like to just sit around (we prefer to lay there unconscious LOL)

I have a conf. call with Zango today in an effort to get something done regarding our keywords/affiliates.

I'll keep you all updated

Nice
One more that will be recieving traffic from my network.

Good going guys.

NaughtyAce · 10-26-2006, 01:47 PM

Let me know what happens guys. Haven't tested out to see if they are popping over Naughty America pages yet, but we do not condone use of Zango and if we find someone is using it for promotions we will shut down their account.

mikeyddddd · 10-26-2006, 03:06 PM

Sic 'em!

DateDoc · 10-28-2006, 06:50 AM

bump....

fallenmuffin · 10-28-2006, 06:54 AM

Thank god for IwantU... at least they are taking some kind of action to prevent any more Zango bullshit. This is why I love iwantu. Standing up for me and all the other affiliates.

Troels · 10-28-2006, 07:07 AM

Good PR value.
I think it's time to send you guys some serious traffic to show support.

Varius · 10-28-2006, 11:29 AM

Just an update, as Zango now seems to ignore our emails/phone calls, we will be officially sending them a registered letter requesting removal of our trademarks.

Should they still deny our friendly request, we WILL take the next step and pursue.

CaptainHowdy · 10-28-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Varius

Just an update, as Zango now seems to ignore our emails/phone calls, we will be officially sending them a registered letter requesting removal of our trademarks.

Should they still deny our friendly request, we WILL take the next step and pursue.

Go get 'em

!!

RawAlex · 10-28-2006, 12:16 PM

Step B in progress... I can't wait for Step C.

Bring on the gators.

Alex

scottybuzz · 10-28-2006, 12:22 PM

sigspot/.

MarkMan · 10-28-2006, 12:53 PM

hmm.. thats so stupid of them to ignore such a request

if this goes to court they will be in it deeper then they might think

Varius · 10-28-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkMan

hmm.. thats so stupid of them to ignore such a request

if this goes to court they will be in it deeper then they might think

Maybe they are overconfident because they did win their last case...but that was under much different circumstances, against someone who decided to drop the case because he couldn't get enough support for his class action attempt.

We are not going after any class action, we simply will enforce/protect our trademarks.

will76 · 10-28-2006, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Varius

Maybe they are overconfident because they did win their last case...but that was under much different circumstances, against someone who decided to drop the case because he couldn't get enough support for his class action attempt.

We are not going after any class action, we simply will enforce/protect our trademarks.

Their last case was 100% different. Computer "users" were sueing because their "adware" was put on their computers without their permission and had caused damages to their pc.

Give you a little update from the attornies I talked to over the last couple weeks. It seems none of them want to take on a class action lawsuit on behalf of affiliates/website owners who are having traffic and sales stolen. Personally I think it is easier to show business interference and theft being caused to us then trying to prove damage caused to a surfers computer but for some reason they must see that differently.

Now this is interesting for AFF/ SexSearch, and all who openly use zango and steal traffic from their affiliates... The attornies I spoke with were VERY interested in going after sponsors on behalf of their affiliates. Another reason why sponsors should stop doing business with spyware and stealing from their affiliates.

For you guys, it should be an open shut case. They are tageting your trademark. Look at what potterybarn is doing to AFF. If potterybarn will not allow you to put "potterybarn" in the meta tags of your own site (for fear that you might try to steal their traffic and tarnish their name) What in the hell do you think Zango is doing. It's 10x worse. They are putting your name on their site to allow hundreds of people to steal thousands of thousands of your hits (traffic) a day. They are also tarishing your name by associating it with something that more people then not see as spyware, that pops up on their pc (which they hate and beats their pop up blocker) etc..

Have your attorney read up on the gator cases, it is exactly the same that zango is doing. Once you take down 1 of these spyware companies the rest should fold quick when you contact them to remove your name from their site.

marketsmart · 10-29-2006, 12:02 AM

there is going to be another nice announcement soon... i wish i could give more detaisl but i cant... i will say that some people are going to be very sad by the announcement....

10-25-2006, 11:57 AM	#1
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Conference Call with Zango today! While many companies have opposed their practices, while others seem to endorse it or not care, IwantU.com doesn't like to just sit around (we prefer to lay there unconscious LOL) I have a conf. call with Zango today in an effort to get something done regarding our keywords/affiliates. I'll keep you all updated __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

10-25-2006, 12:05 PM	#2
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10-25-2006, 12:07 PM	#3
MikesTraffic Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Montgomery, Alabama Posts: 1,992	the most that will happen is the people that buy traffic from them will switch to an affiliate program that doesnt care as long as they get paid __________________ Fortinet GURU

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10-26-2006, 10:35 AM	#9
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	UPDATE Not much got done yet from this call, I'm now waiting on them to go to higher "higher ups", etc..... However should this attempt fall through, we have a Plan B that will be a lot less 'friendly'...then, well if it has to go to Plan C that involves missing bodies and crocodiles __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

10-25-2006, 12:23 PM	#6
MarkMan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Money Land Posts: 1,370	hmm good idea let us know

10-25-2006, 12:25 PM	#8
OzMan Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Begas Posts: 9,162	what's the number and time , I promise I won't even so much as cough during the call

10-26-2006, 10:39 AM	#10
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Varius, I personally think you would be on fairly strong legal ground to require them to stop selling clicks based on your domains as a trigger. There is a concept of "interfering with a business relationship" specifically between you and your customers and you and your affiliates. If this "attempt" fails, I would highly recommend you get with a good lawyer who understands this sort of thing, look up past settlements and arrangements made (see some of the gain/gator stuff on google) and move forward to protect your business and affiliates from asterixware poachers. More power to you for trying!

10-26-2006, 10:43 AM	#11
ryuken Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 109	Give them Hell Keith! __________________ So much for lurking...

10-26-2006, 11:46 AM	#15
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Thanks for the info Will Yes we do own the trademark on our domain name, which is why I can't see why they'd not agree to disallow bids on our domain. I guess they feel we wouldn't pursue any action because we are in Costa Rica, however we do have incorporation in USA, Canada and the UK as well I will see what Stan says though, hopefully for all involved they'll just agree with us lon before it has to go any further. __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

10-26-2006, 12:25 PM	#18
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	hopefully this will bring good news

10-26-2006, 12:31 PM	#19
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	It guess it won't happen, but wouldn't it be wonderful poetic justice if in the end the only worthwhile domain name AFF could bid on was their own

10-26-2006, 01:47 PM	#21
NaughtyAce Traffic - Protect Content Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,482	Let me know what happens guys. Haven't tested out to see if they are popping over Naughty America pages yet, but we do not condone use of Zango and if we find someone is using it for promotions we will shut down their account. __________________ Publisher manager http://Leads.TrafficHaus.com [email protected] Looking for Sales Support! - Contact Media Reps Looking for Traffic - Go to TrafficHaus.com Looking for Ad Block Prevention - Go to ReviveAds.com Looking for Copyright protection - Go to DigiRegs.com Looking for Video Marketing Software - Go to Partner.TrafficHaus.com

10-26-2006, 03:06 PM	#22
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10-28-2006, 06:50 AM	#23
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	bump.... __________________

10-28-2006, 06:54 AM	#24
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	Thank god for IwantU... at least they are taking some kind of action to prevent any more Zango bullshit. This is why I love iwantu. Standing up for me and all the other affiliates.

10-28-2006, 07:07 AM	#25
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	Good PR value. I think it's time to send you guys some serious traffic to show support. __________________ These guys steal your signups: Read here. And sexsearch.com profit from it. Check out which sponsors pay thieves here. And here's a list of clean sponsors.

10-28-2006, 11:29 AM	#26
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	Just an update, as Zango now seems to ignore our emails/phone calls, we will be officially sending them a registered letter requesting removal of our trademarks. Should they still deny our friendly request, we WILL take the next step and pursue. __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

10-28-2006, 12:16 PM	#28
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Step B in progress... I can't wait for Step C. Bring on the gators. Alex

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10-28-2006, 12:53 PM	#30
MarkMan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Money Land Posts: 1,370	hmm.. thats so stupid of them to ignore such a request if this goes to court they will be in it deeper then they might think

10-29-2006, 12:02 AM	#33
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	there is going to be another nice announcement soon... i wish i could give more detaisl but i cant... i will say that some people are going to be very sad by the announcement....