Who around here is making a killing and NOT running an affiliate program? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

mattz · 10-21-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bdjuf

Im not asking people their income, I am simply asking if there is a good chance of making that money without running an affiliate program nowadays

my brother does SEO (Napster of Porn) and he makes over 75k a month

minimouse · 10-21-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

lets say that you're bloody good and get ctr of 5%,that means 7500 clicks to a sponsor, lets say that the sponsor converts like there's no tomorrow (say 1:500 - bloody good for TGP traffic IMO) that still gives you 15 signups per day

so lets say $35 per signup so 15x35 = $525 daily

so in a month (30.5 days average) ---> $16 025 gross

far far away from the 30k you say you're making

p.s. stand to be corrected of course

You have no clue.

Antonio · 10-21-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

You can make 30k from a 150k tgp. You need to do more than run FHGs and banners though... You also missed out selling banner spots and gallery spots etc. that can rake in the dough required to push you up there.

how many 150 000 TGPs out there make $30 000 NET per month? 3? is it possible - I'm sure it is, is it likely - not so sure about that

Antonio · 10-21-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by minimouse

You have no clue.

you're fag

mattz · 10-21-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

you're fag

haha you're fag? - I like your English skills bro

Antonio · 10-21-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mattz

haha you're fag? - I like your English skills bro

missed the 'a' but was too late to edit

Antonio · 10-21-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mattz

haha you're fag? - I like your English skills bro

also tell your brother to send me step by step instructions on how to make 75k per month, I'm sure he wouldn't mind

thanks

fuzebox · 10-21-2006, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

you're fag

bdld · 10-21-2006, 03:10 PM

i'm doin alright with no aff program, i wouldnt be surprised if there's a good 100 people doing that amount without running an aff. program.

negroid · 10-21-2006, 03:19 PM

do you make any money bdjuf?

QuaWee · 10-21-2006, 03:20 PM

See sig...

Tempest · 10-21-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

how many 150 000 TGPs out there make $30 000 NET per month? 3? is it possible - I'm sure it is, is it likely - not so sure about that

I thought when I said that you had to do more than just list banners and FHGs that it was clear that not everyone could do it. But if you know how to motivate and sell to your surfers you can do well. I would say that having some really good SE traffic is a must as well.

And yes, it isn't just likely, it's happening right now for some WMs.

Oh.. and keep in mind that saying one has a 150k tgp doesn't mean that all the sales etc. are off the main tgp page (although they could be). Saying you have a 150k TGP typically doesn't include all the other pages on your site that might only add up to a few thousand hits but are also generating sales. For example, I typically put a FPA type page between my index and the main tgp page. That FPA can generate a surprising number of sales.

So again.. A 150k TGP can make that sort of cash.. but we're not talking about 98% of what everyone slaps up.

LiveDose · 10-21-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bdjuf

Im not asking people their income, I am simply asking if there is a good chance of making that money without running an affiliate program nowadays

The answer is 'yes'.

Herb Kornfield · 10-21-2006, 03:56 PM

No program here and seeing just over 10k monthly net coming in.

2007 goal = $20k monthly net coming in.

Antonio · 10-21-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

I thought when I said that you had to do more than just list banners and FHGs that it was clear that not everyone could do it. But if you know how to motivate and sell to your surfers you can do well. I would say that having some really good SE traffic is a must as well.

And yes, it isn't just likely, it's happening right now for some WMs.

Oh.. and keep in mind that saying one has a 150k tgp doesn't mean that all the sales etc. are off the main tgp page (although they could be). Saying you have a 150k TGP typically doesn't include all the other pages on your site that might only add up to a few thousand hits but are also generating sales. For example, I typically put a FPA type page between my index and the main tgp page. That FPA can generate a surprising number of sales.

So again.. A 150k TGP can make that sort of cash.. but we're not talking about 98% of what everyone slaps up.

now that's a good post

minimouse · 10-21-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

you're fag

You have no clue, and now your also an idiot.

BlueDesignStudios · 10-21-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KaLi

Not everyone uses PPS. If you can produce the 450 sales a month on 50/50 rev, you can easily build that up to $30k/month - provided you are pushing sponsors that have excellent retention. If you need a good retaining revshare sponsor, ICQ me. The sponsor I am promoting, I have many rebills over 24 months.

why don't you post those links here, with referral url's?

TeaseumGirls · 10-21-2006, 04:43 PM

I cn name about 10-20 people off the top of my head cranking 20k and better

Lazonby · 10-21-2006, 04:45 PM

I was bored and did a study into Wiredguy's SEO skillz. I went LOL many times. So many cheap tricks. Most people here could emulate what he does. He's kind of like a used car salesman, but in the SEO world.

He makes money, but it's pretty lame the way he does it. I'm glad I'm not him. I make a fortune without having to be like that. I'm smarter. My $ is more pure than his, and that has some added value for me.

SpeakEasy · 10-21-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bdjuf

Im not asking people their income, I am simply asking if there is a good chance of making that money without running an affiliate program nowadays

The simple answer ie YES.

lambpie · 10-21-2006, 05:03 PM

for me a good understanding of SEO is essential, typically a few minor tweaks can really increase traffic..

JD · 10-21-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby

I was bored and did a study into Wiredguy's SEO skillz. I went LOL many times. So many cheap tricks. Most people here could emulate what he does. He's kind of like a used car salesman, but in the SEO world.

He makes money, but it's pretty lame the way he does it. I'm glad I'm not him. I make a fortune without having to be like that. I'm smarter. My $ is more pure than his, and that has some added value for me.

lol ok.... I call bullshit but ok...

Z · 10-21-2006, 05:20 PM

I make $3.50 a month...$3.75 if shit's good.

BSleazy · 10-21-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mattz

my brother does SEO (Napster of Porn) and he makes over 75k a month

Does he run freepornlessons.com?

Webby · 10-21-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bdjuf

WiredGuy?

oh wait its true, there is no money to be made in SEO

but seriously, anybody here making more than 20k profit a month without running an affiliate program?

$240K year? That's only around $190K Euros or $126K UK Pounds - not exactly an achievement bdjuf. It's not hard to earn that simply from eg software development.

There are at least 25-50 on GFY who *need* to earn far more than that - plus many more, some of em known, and others who never ever visit GFY earning *far* more than that.

OK... sure, some of them run affiliate programs - most of the people I know of who run a serious net biz, don't. The world never revloved around affiliate programs - there are loads of other niche areas to play with.

Also fair to say in some instances their total annual profit may not necessarily come from net related adult only - but a mix of adult trading. Can think of three adult "entrepreuners" who are worth several billion in dollar terms - and that does not include any high-profile names.

It's not always about money either *s*

Tempest · 10-21-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby

I was bored and did a study into Wiredguy's SEO skillz. I went LOL many times. So many cheap tricks. Most people here could emulate what he does. He's kind of like a used car salesman, but in the SEO world.

He makes money, but it's pretty lame the way he does it. I'm glad I'm not him. I make a fortune without having to be like that. I'm smarter. My $ is more pure than his, and that has some added value for me.

Post some of his links. I'd like to have a look.

Sly · 10-21-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

$240K year? That's only around $190K Euros or $126K UK Pounds - not exactly an achievement bdjuf. It's not hard to earn that simply from eg software development.

There are at least 25-50 on GFY who *need* to earn far more than that - plus many more, some of em known, and others who never ever visit GFY earning *far* more than that.

OK... sure, some of them run affiliate programs - most of the people I know of who run a serious net biz, don't. The world never revloved around affiliate programs - there are loads of other niche areas to play with.

Also fair to say in some instances their total annual profit may not necessarily come from net related adult only - but a mix of adult trading. Can think of three adult "entrepreuners" who are worth several billion in dollar terms - and that does not include any high-profile names.

It's not always about money either *s*

$240k yearly isn't an achievement?

What kind of private jet do you have?

Mpegmaster · 10-21-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

$240k yearly isn't an achievement?

What kind of private jet do you have?

Hee heee

Webby has achieved some stuff in adult and in mainstream believe me on that

Sly · 10-21-2006, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mpegmaster

Hee heee

Webby has achieved some stuff in adult and in mainstream believe me on that

I'm not doubting he's successful one bit. To scoff at a yearly take of $240k is quite arrogant though while many families survive on incomes of just $30k.

pocketkangaroo · 10-21-2006, 07:42 PM

Yes there are. Many of those people don't post here though and will probably never mention what they make ever.

Although having a program can be nice, it's also a pain in the ass in the eyes of people like me. As an affiliate, I can make $30 a sale and not have to deal with credit card issues, site designs, buying content, updating content, hosting fees, chargebacks, marketing the program, and so on. Not to mention that you really have to be in it for the long haul and you might not have the flexibility you like.

So I'm sure there are people making big bucks that are sponsors, but I also know that there are a lot of affiliates making big bucks too.

pocketkangaroo · 10-21-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

$240K year? That's only around $190K Euros or $126K UK Pounds - not exactly an achievement bdjuf. It's not hard to earn that simply from eg software development.

There are at least 25-50 on GFY who *need* to earn far more than that - plus many more, some of em known, and others who never ever visit GFY earning *far* more than that.

OK... sure, some of them run affiliate programs - most of the people I know of who run a serious net biz, don't. The world never revloved around affiliate programs - there are loads of other niche areas to play with.

Also fair to say in some instances their total annual profit may not necessarily come from net related adult only - but a mix of adult trading. Can think of three adult "entrepreuners" who are worth several billion in dollar terms - and that does not include any high-profile names.

It's not always about money either *s*

240k would put you in the top .000001% of the world in terms of income. Maybe that's just pocket change for you, but most people can live fairly comfortably on that income.

Webby · 10-21-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

$240k yearly isn't an achievement?

What kind of private jet do you have?

Hell no Sly

$250K is above average earnings in eg the EU, but good figure if it fits a comfort level. Who knows, but assume any professional gets that level of income - it's not uncommon. To be honest, it's only me, but can't say I give a shit about money as long as there is some around - the buzz comes from making stuff work - not chasing a dollar.

Private jet?? Hey Sly.. wait a moment

Do you know what a private jet costs including the maintenance and bullshit plus the time you have to spend on it to even begin to make it pay?? And ya sure as hell can't afford it on $250K/year.. and do you know how much pollution that creates?

Seriously - sure, would like to fly and have done a bit mainly in the Caribbean (fuel is cheap as hell there for some reason), but really need to spend time on it. A single engine aircraft would be very useful here, but still needs to be used with some regularity to justify bothering - not into ego trip purchases - and just charter em as needed if the "souls on board" justifies the cost/time.

woj · 10-21-2006, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

240k would put you in the top .000001% of the world in terms of income. Maybe that's just pocket change for you, but most people can live fairly comfortably on that income.

it's not that small, I would guess 1-2% perhaps make 250k+

almost 11% of males make 100k+
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet..._2005_EST_G00_

pocketkangaroo · 10-21-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

it's not that small, I would guess 1-2% perhaps make 250k+

almost 11% of males make 100k+
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet..._2005_EST_G00_

I know it's higher in the US, I was referring to the world.

Webby · 10-21-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

240k would put you in the top .000001% of the world in terms of income. Maybe that's just pocket change for you, but most people can live fairly comfortably on that income.

Na.. not knocking it PK - it is above the average and sure ain't pocket change to anybody. At the same time, it's not exactly into the "rich" category - there are folks who do earn very serious money - don't mean grading em by how much they can stuff into their pockets - more on the basis of what they apply that money to and using it. There is a limited any person can spend money - else it's just bullshit and waste.

Get the impression from this thread that all that matters is some dollars - don't think that is true. There are far more "values" than money and they bring much more "satisfaction" than a load of dollar bills. Sure is the case with me and I sure don't consider myself "rich".

Can only say from the few people I know who are *seriously* wealthy - they worked for every dime and are not into wasting either money or time, but often, they get more of a kick/buzz out of making projects work - and along with that there is often some financial benefit.

Sly · 10-21-2006, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Na.. not knocking it PK - it is above the average and sure ain't pocket change to anybody. At the same time, it's not exactly into the "rich" category - there are folks who do earn very serious money - don't mean grading em by how much they can stuff into their pockets - more on the basis of what they apply that money to and using it. There is a limited any person can spend money - else it's just bullshit and waste.

Nobody said rich or wealthy. ;-)

The term was "achievement". Any one man or small business netting $250k yearly is definitely an achievement to be proud of. We aren't talking about big corporate environments that have dozens of 6 figure boys. We're talking about small businesses built from the ground up within under 10 years.

No, $250k is definitely not rich or wealthy. Its living well. I don't even think I would consider $1M yearly "rich". I've heard people say rich is up to $50M, wealthy is above that... I have no idea what the universal standard would be.

pocketkangaroo · 10-21-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Na.. not knocking it PK - it is above the average and sure ain't pocket change to anybody. At the same time, it's not exactly into the "rich" category - there are folks who do earn very serious money - don't mean grading em by how much they can stuff into their pockets - more on the basis of what they apply that money to and using it. There is a limited any person can spend money - else it's just bullshit and waste.

Get the impression from this thread that all that matters is some dollars - don't think that is true. There are far more "values" than money and they bring much more "satisfaction" than a load of dollar bills. Sure is the case with me and I sure don't consider myself "rich".

Can only say from the few people I know who are *seriously* wealthy - they worked for every dime and are not into wasting either money or time, but often, they get more of a kick/buzz out of making projects work - and along with that there is often some financial benefit.

Well I wouldn't call it rich in the US, I would say that if someone in the US earns that money CONSISTENTLY, they will live a very comfortable lifestyle. They'll live in a very nice neighborhood, be able to afford most basic luxuries, and never have to worry about the next meal or mortgage payment. My dad made about 100k a year and we lived in a very nice community and had everything we needed as kids growing up (including college).

But you're right about the value of money. It's amazing how many people who make that kind of money live essentially poor and paycheck to paycheck. They spend the money on lavish cars, expensive clothes, and other tangible goods that add zero to their net worth. If you are smart with your 240k, invest it properly, you can live rich.

Titan · 10-21-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Internet Guy

150k/day, to a tgp

Ya what a joke. I have a 1.5 million hit network of TGPs and trust me i'm not making 300k a month. What TGP is it? Even an ultra niche tgp with 100% seo traffic would probably not do even close to that. Lemme guess is your site for sale?

SomeCreep · 10-21-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Titan

Ya what a joke. I have a 1.5 million hit network of TGPs and trust me i'm not making 300k a month. What TGP is it? Even an ultra niche tgp with 100% seo traffic would probably not do even close to that. Lemme guess is your site for sale?

He said he's netting $30k, not $300k. Either way, anyone with at least 1 functioning brain cell knows he's full of feces.

Webby · 10-21-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Nobody said rich or wealthy. ;-)

The term was "achievement". Any one man or small business netting $250k yearly is definitely an achievement to be proud of. We aren't talking about big corporate environments that have dozens of 6 figure boys. We're talking about small businesses built from the ground up within under 10 years.

No, $250k is definitely not rich or wealthy. Its living well. I don't even think I would consider $1M yearly "rich". I've heard people say rich is up to $50M, wealthy is above that... I have no idea what the universal standard would be.

OK - not rich then

A few decades ago I took a break from "adult" - needed to write some software which was needed for adult businesses we ran. (These were the days when there was little software around - even less vertical market stuff). I took about 2 years out and coded shit - In that time, after about six months, I was selling stuff and earning more than $250K - simply because of all the small elements that folks needed - from support to tailoring. Can't say this was much of an achievement - partly because "programmers" at that time were earning reasonable money if they were any good. (Think some were on.. US $1200/day - but always thought that was kinda embarassing - it was a lot of money at that time

)

The only reason I stopped this was because adult earns more and we were already in the adult biz. Also when you try to be helpful to clients - you become a crutch and spend hours each day on the phone being asked opinions on this and that - nothing to do with the software they bought, - more to do with their biz decisions. Also lost some hearing hanging onto a phone listening to em - this was not for me

Tho pleased to still help em out and resulted in a few good friends.

KaLi · 10-21-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDesignStudios

why don't you post those links here, with referral url's?

Why give out my secret to all so openly? lol, ICQ me

V_RocKs · 10-21-2006, 09:32 PM

I do that.... I don't own an affiliate program.... I don't own a TGP (over 50K in traffic a day) and my blogs don't do much of the income per month for me.... I think my blogs do make more than my TGP's do though...

Tempest · 10-22-2006, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Titan

Ya what a joke. I have a 1.5 million hit network of TGPs and trust me i'm not making 300k a month. What TGP is it? Even an ultra niche tgp with 100% seo traffic would probably not do even close to that. Lemme guess is your site for sale?

I bet your network is primarily thumb preview sites and/or really low traffic text sites with next to nothing for SE trafic.

Tempest · 10-22-2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

He said he's netting $30k, not $300k. Either way, anyone with at least 1 functioning brain cell knows he's full of feces.

Another person that doesn't have a clue..

V_RocKs · 10-22-2006, 02:07 AM

While 10.9% of Males make over $100K a year, look at the rest of the facts...

1/5th of them make $35 - $50K

Almost 1/5th make $25 - $34K

Combined 1/5 make $25K or less...

And if I looked around at my friends and associates I'd say 3/5ths of them making less than $50K sounds about right.

Another 1/5th makes $51 - $75K.

There are not many people who make over $100K in anyones social network. Add to that the fact that that 10.9% making over $100K has only 4 out of the 10 beating $250K...

So is $250K a year a lot of money? Ummm duhh!

Making that for 4 years straight is enough to put you in a place most people will barely reach after 30 years of work.

revolte · 10-22-2006, 02:12 AM

I make ~200 a month

BAKO · 10-22-2006, 02:41 AM

I still make a killing with my AVS sites

BlueDesignStudios · 10-22-2006, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

While 10.9% of Males make over $100K a year, look at the rest of the facts...

1/5th of them make $35 - $50K

Almost 1/5th make $25 - $34K

Combined 1/5 make $25K or less...

And if I looked around at my friends and associates I'd say 3/5ths of them making less than $50K sounds about right.

Another 1/5th makes $51 - $75K.

There are not many people who make over $100K in anyones social network. Add to that the fact that that 10.9% making over $100K has only 4 out of the 10 beating $250K...

So is $250K a year a lot of money? Ummm duhh!

Making that for 4 years straight is enough to put you in a place most people will barely reach after 30 years of work.

haven't you been watching the OC? Everyone is just rich there and they don't even have jobs..

GTS Mark · 10-22-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

A lot of people who were doing well as affiliates launched their own programs in the last 2 years.

Yes this is very true.

DH

DarkJedi · 10-22-2006, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bdjuf

Who around here is making a killing and NOT running an affiliate program?

but seriously, anybody here making more than 20k profit a month without?

20k a month is a "killing" ?

LOL.

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bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	i'm doin alright with no aff program, i wouldnt be surprised if there's a good 100 people doing that amount without running an aff. program.

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negroid Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 31	do you make any money bdjuf?

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Herb Kornfield Is on the 1 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 4,996	No program here and seeing just over 10k monthly net coming in. 2007 goal = $20k monthly net coming in.

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TeaseumGirls Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 248	I cn name about 10-20 people off the top of my head cranking 20k and better

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Lazonby Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,262	I was bored and did a study into Wiredguy's SEO skillz. I went LOL many times. So many cheap tricks. Most people here could emulate what he does. He's kind of like a used car salesman, but in the SEO world. He makes money, but it's pretty lame the way he does it. I'm glad I'm not him. I make a fortune without having to be like that. I'm smarter. My $ is more pure than his, and that has some added value for me.

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lambpie Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 671	for me a good understanding of SEO is essential, typically a few minor tweaks can really increase traffic..

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Z Vidi Vici Veni Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 6,308	I make $3.50 a month...$3.75 if shit's good.

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Yes there are. Many of those people don't post here though and will probably never mention what they make ever. Although having a program can be nice, it's also a pain in the ass in the eyes of people like me. As an affiliate, I can make $30 a sale and not have to deal with credit card issues, site designs, buying content, updating content, hosting fees, chargebacks, marketing the program, and so on. Not to mention that you really have to be in it for the long haul and you might not have the flexibility you like. So I'm sure there are people making big bucks that are sponsors, but I also know that there are a lot of affiliates making big bucks too.

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,428	I do that.... I don't own an affiliate program.... I don't own a TGP (over 50K in traffic a day) and my blogs don't do much of the income per month for me.... I think my blogs do make more than my TGP's do though...

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V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,428	While 10.9% of Males make over $100K a year, look at the rest of the facts... 1/5th of them make $35 - $50K Almost 1/5th make $25 - $34K Combined 1/5 make $25K or less... And if I looked around at my friends and associates I'd say 3/5ths of them making less than $50K sounds about right. Another 1/5th makes $51 - $75K. There are not many people who make over $100K in anyones social network. Add to that the fact that that 10.9% making over $100K has only 4 out of the 10 beating $250K... So is $250K a year a lot of money? Ummm duhh! Making that for 4 years straight is enough to put you in a place most people will barely reach after 30 years of work.