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Grapesoda · 10-20-2006, 06:36 AM

There are very few saints among people of any race, religion, national origin, or sexual orientation. None should be above criticism.

Increasingly, however, there are tighter and tighter restrictions on what you can say about more and more groups. San Francisco radio talk show host Pete Wilson discovered this recently when he criticized a city Supervisor and his female friend ? but not lover ? who had a baby together.

The man is gay and the woman is a lesbian, so they are not lovers in a committed relationship.

Raising a child is no piece of cake, even when the parents are married and committed to staying together. Raising a child where there is no stable, committed relationship may be cutting edge stuff but Pete Wilson's point was that a child is not an experiment.

The same could be said of heterosexuals like the woman who recently had a baby in her sixties. That's great for making a splash in the media but what is going to happen when the baby becomes a teenager and the mother's energy level has declined with age, if she is still around at all?

The real issue, however, is neither heterosexual or homosexual, and it extends even beyond the important question of the best interests of the child.

The larger question for American society is, as Joan Rivers has often said: "Can we talk?"

Political bigwigs in San Francisco say "No." They are demanding that Pete Wilson resign. In San Francisco, no one is supposed to criticize anything done by homosexuals.

Moreover, this attitude is not confined to San Francisco or to gays. On the other side of the country, Columbia University students stormed the stage when one of the Minuteman critics of our lax immigration laws was trying to speak.

At many other colleges and universities, he would not even have been allowed on campus in the first place. Many campuses have speech codes where it is called creating a "hostile environment" if you say things that make various racial, sexual, or other protected groups unhappy.

Young people educated at our most prestigious colleges and universities are learning the lesson that storm trooper tactics can silence those who are not in vogue on campus, and honest expressions of opinion about issues involving anything from affirmative action to women in the military can get you suspended if you refuse the humiliation and hypocrisy of being "re-educated."

Meanwhile, liberals in Congress have long been advocating a return to the so-called "fairness" doctrine requiring "balance" in broadcasting. Talk radio is overwhelmingly conservative simply because liberal talk radio has failed repeatedly to attract comparable-sized audiences.

The listeners have spoken but the politicians want to overrule them. Some call it "hush Rush" legislation.

"Fairness" here, as in so many other contexts, means nothing more and nothing less than the exercise of arbitrary power by third parties, since everyone has a different definition of what "fairness" means.

Free speech is not a luxury but a necessity if we are to hear the various sides of issues before we decide what to do.

It is not a question of Pete Wilson's rights or even of the rights of all the people who speak or write on public issues. Such people are not even ten percent of the population and probably not even one percent.

Their individual rights matter. But among the pressing problems of our time, their interests alone rank far down the list.

Free speech rights exist for the whole society, not for writers and speakers. When you say that we can hear only what a growing number of censors want us to hear, you are condemning us to grope in the dark when making all sorts of decisions ? about ourselves, our families and the future of our society.

Whether Pete Wilson's opinion was right or wrong is a very small issue compared to blinding us all for the sake of political correctness. Can we talk? Apparently, for some people, the answer is "No."

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this is the kind of bullshit that gives the hard core Christian right such a power base . . every fucking cry baby minority agenda gets precedent over the 'ordinary people' for instance a 'piss bum' could swing by and shit in yer doorway and you would be prolly put in jail if ya tried to stop him 'cause you would be violating his civil rights

mike217 · 10-20-2006, 06:40 AM

that was a long post, can someone summarize for me. I couldn't get through it all.

Grapesoda · 10-20-2006, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mike217

that was a long post, can someone summarize for me. I couldn't get through it all.

it says for those can read hommy . .

Hammer · 10-20-2006, 06:46 AM

Pete Wilson is a San Francisco talk show host.

He criticized a city politician for having a baby out of wedlock.

The man is gay and the woman is lesbian.

In San Francisco you're not supposed to criticize fags or dykes.

Politicians in SF are demanding that Pete resign.

Wanton thinks free speech means we have a right to crticize people if we want to without being fired and I agree, to a point.

mike217 · 10-20-2006, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

it says for those can read hommy . .

I am literate, as you can tell from me being able to type this sentence. It's called a joke. Sense of humor needed.

Grapesoda · 10-20-2006, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mike217

I am literate, as you can tell from me being able to type this sentence. It's called a joke. Sense of humor needed.

my appolgies . . as near as can tell about 90% of GFY is illiterate

Jakke PNG · 10-20-2006, 06:55 AM

It's better to shut up and let the people live in a bubble protected from outside harm, only be told things that are good. Soon there's gonna be mandatory happypills so we can all live in an utopia.

or not.

Grapesoda · 10-20-2006, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

It's better to shut up and let the people live in a bubble protected from outside harm, only be told things that are good. Soon there's gonna be mandatory happypills so we can all live in an utopia.

or not.

I tried happy juice for about 20+ years . . didn't work out to well for me

CaptainHowdy · 10-20-2006, 06:58 AM

It's free speech... for better or worse.

CDSmith · 10-20-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

Free speech is not a luxury but a necessity if we are to hear the various sides of issues before we decide what to do.

So true.

We have a few talk radio stations up here, and usually when people strongly disagree with what's being said they phone in and do so rather than call for someone's head on the chopping block.

However, if the guy was just voicing criticism that's one thing, but spewing hate shouldn't be lumped in with "free speech" nor tolerated on any foruim.

People are again starting to realize that if you turn your back on censorship it tends to grow and creep up on you. It is censorship itself that has to be censored and kept in check.

Good post Wanton. :D

Grapesoda · 10-20-2006, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

It's free speech... for better or worse.

only free speech if you agree with the minorities, if you don't believe that say something like "blacks have been here long enough, slavery is long gone . . it's time to be socially responsible, get jobs and learn to speak proper English and be part of common educated culture by contributing to the welfare and future of America" that will give a good example of free speech

Hammer · 10-20-2006, 07:05 AM

What does getting jobs, being socially responsible and learning to speak proper English have to do with free speech?

darksoul · 10-20-2006, 07:06 AM

isn't it kinda awkward for a group that demands acceptance and social equality to have this kind of privileges ?
If one can talk about a straight man, shouldn't he be able to talk same way about a gay one ?
Isn't this rule making it hard for them ? placing them in back in another category from where they've been trying to escape for the past years.

Screaming · 10-20-2006, 07:08 AM

cliff notes?...

CDSmith · 10-20-2006, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Hammer

What does getting jobs, being socially responsible and learning to speak proper English have to do with free speech?

I think you missed what he was trying to say there. He's talking about the right to voice an opinion on those issues in an open forum (like talk radio), and is now wondering if that right still exists.

CaptainHowdy · 10-20-2006, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

only free speech if you agree with the minorities, if you don't believe that say something like "blacks have been here long enough, slavery is long gone . . it's time to be socially responsible, get jobs and learn to speak proper English and be part of common educated culture by contributing to the welfare and future of America" that will give a good example of free speech

Exactly...

Grapesoda · 10-20-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by The Hammer

What does getting jobs, being socially responsible and learning to speak proper English have to do with free speech?

say that in a public forum and you'll have a clear understanding of free speech . . did you even read the original post?

Grapesoda · 10-20-2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Exactly...

thomas sowell is an amazing thinker . . . I've read several of his books . . the 'blacks' hate that guy

JP-pornshooter · 10-20-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

only free speech if you agree with the minorities, if you don't believe that say something like "blacks have been here long enough, slavery is long gone . . it's time to be socially responsible, get jobs and learn to speak proper English and be part of common educated culture by contributing to the welfare and future of America" that will give a good example of free speech

Free speech in America does not exist any longer..politically correctness is creating a society where people have to become programmed to function in corporate america and its subculture..

Hammer · 10-20-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

say that in a public forum and you'll have a clear understanding of free speech . . did you even read the original post?

Of course I read the original post. You should have known that based on the Cliff Notes version I provided in the fourth post in this thread. Maybe it's just the way you write, but I had a hard time following much of it and I can read reel gude.

I've reread this part 10 times now and still don't have a clue what you're saying.

"only free speech if you agree with the minorities, if you don't believe that say something like "blacks have been here long enough, slavery is long gone . . it's time to be socially responsible, get jobs and learn to speak proper English and be part of common educated culture by contributing to the welfare and future of America" that will give a good example of free speech"

Maybe with some properly spaced commas and quotes in the proper places it would make more sense, but I doubt it.

marketsmart · 10-20-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Screaming

cliff notes?...

same thing i was looking for...

abyss_al · 10-20-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Screaming

cliff notes?...

free speech... don't think we have
gays having children... should not be allowed

jacklaidlaw · 10-20-2006, 03:16 PM

why the fuck should I be forced to think like others?

wdsguy · 10-20-2006, 03:24 PM

heh should I throw the race card into this ? :-)

Manowar · 10-20-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

heh should I throw the race card into this ? :-)

it could easily come into play

jacklaidlaw · 10-20-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

heh should I throw the race card into this ? :-)

Fuck it I'll start the race issue off. Why the fuck are people bothered if you call them black bastards I regularly call ppl fat bastards. What is the difference and to be honestif some1 called me a white cunt I would not be bothered as I know I am white. I am not racist but just don't understand why ppl get so offended.

THE NANNY STATE OWNS YOUR ASS!

10-20-2006, 06:36 AM	#1
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	can we talk? (for those of you that can read) There are very few saints among people of any race, religion, national origin, or sexual orientation. None should be above criticism. Increasingly, however, there are tighter and tighter restrictions on what you can say about more and more groups. San Francisco radio talk show host Pete Wilson discovered this recently when he criticized a city Supervisor and his female friend ? but not lover ? who had a baby together. The man is gay and the woman is a lesbian, so they are not lovers in a committed relationship. Raising a child is no piece of cake, even when the parents are married and committed to staying together. Raising a child where there is no stable, committed relationship may be cutting edge stuff but Pete Wilson's point was that a child is not an experiment. The same could be said of heterosexuals like the woman who recently had a baby in her sixties. That's great for making a splash in the media but what is going to happen when the baby becomes a teenager and the mother's energy level has declined with age, if she is still around at all? The real issue, however, is neither heterosexual or homosexual, and it extends even beyond the important question of the best interests of the child. The larger question for American society is, as Joan Rivers has often said: "Can we talk?" Political bigwigs in San Francisco say "No." They are demanding that Pete Wilson resign. In San Francisco, no one is supposed to criticize anything done by homosexuals. Moreover, this attitude is not confined to San Francisco or to gays. On the other side of the country, Columbia University students stormed the stage when one of the Minuteman critics of our lax immigration laws was trying to speak. At many other colleges and universities, he would not even have been allowed on campus in the first place. Many campuses have speech codes where it is called creating a "hostile environment" if you say things that make various racial, sexual, or other protected groups unhappy. Young people educated at our most prestigious colleges and universities are learning the lesson that storm trooper tactics can silence those who are not in vogue on campus, and honest expressions of opinion about issues involving anything from affirmative action to women in the military can get you suspended if you refuse the humiliation and hypocrisy of being "re-educated." Meanwhile, liberals in Congress have long been advocating a return to the so-called "fairness" doctrine requiring "balance" in broadcasting. Talk radio is overwhelmingly conservative simply because liberal talk radio has failed repeatedly to attract comparable-sized audiences. The listeners have spoken but the politicians want to overrule them. Some call it "hush Rush" legislation. "Fairness" here, as in so many other contexts, means nothing more and nothing less than the exercise of arbitrary power by third parties, since everyone has a different definition of what "fairness" means. Free speech is not a luxury but a necessity if we are to hear the various sides of issues before we decide what to do. It is not a question of Pete Wilson's rights or even of the rights of all the people who speak or write on public issues. Such people are not even ten percent of the population and probably not even one percent. Their individual rights matter. But among the pressing problems of our time, their interests alone rank far down the list. Free speech rights exist for the whole society, not for writers and speakers. When you say that we can hear only what a growing number of censors want us to hear, you are condemning us to grope in the dark when making all sorts of decisions ? about ourselves, our families and the future of our society. Whether Pete Wilson's opinion was right or wrong is a very small issue compared to blinding us all for the sake of political correctness. Can we talk? Apparently, for some people, the answer is "No." ------------- this is the kind of bullshit that gives the hard core Christian right such a power base . . every fucking cry baby minority agenda gets precedent over the 'ordinary people' for instance a 'piss bum' could swing by and shit in yer doorway and you would be prolly put in jail if ya tried to stop him 'cause you would be violating his civil rights

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Hammer Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 961	Pete Wilson is a San Francisco talk show host. He criticized a city politician for having a baby out of wedlock. The man is gay and the woman is lesbian. In San Francisco you're not supposed to criticize fags or dykes. Politicians in SF are demanding that Pete resign. Wanton thinks free speech means we have a right to crticize people if we want to without being fired and I agree, to a point. __________________ Porn Site Pros - Custom Website Design, Turnkey Webcam and Pay Sites, SEO, and Consulting

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Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	It's better to shut up and let the people live in a bubble protected from outside harm, only be told things that are good. Soon there's gonna be mandatory happypills so we can all live in an utopia. or not. __________________ ..and I'm off.

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darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	isn't it kinda awkward for a group that demands acceptance and social equality to have this kind of privileges ? If one can talk about a straight man, shouldn't he be able to talk same way about a gay one ? Isn't this rule making it hard for them ? placing them in back in another category from where they've been trying to escape for the past years. __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth

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10-20-2006, 03:24 PM	#24
wdsguy Ryde or Die Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California-Shanghai Posts: 19,568	heh should I throw the race card into this ? :-)