Selling my entire business & SEO empire in the $XX,XXX range ? info & my story

[kush]

With the intention of maintaining a happy marriage, healthy life, and good personal relationships, I will try to sell my adult business in the upcoming weeks. I would like to use this thread to introduce my business and gain some feedback about how to proceed and what information potential buyers would like to see. If I have unfinished matters before I leave, I will complete them all before I am gone.

I would like to sell everything together, including my corporation which was chartered in Nevada for my privacy and has its own corporate bank account, bare bones admin, and payroll/benefits system for employees. I think it is a safe, low cost system. All rebills would be kept by the purchaser of the corporation, though only about 15% of my revenue is from partnership programs. Note you do not have to purchase the corporation if you only want the websites.

Revenue Overview
Nearly all of the income is from SEO, with also a substantial portion coming from traded traffic link trades. This SEO network of sites has made as much as $33,000 net in 1 month and as little as $5,000 net in one month over the past 3 years. For a 1 man full-time operation it is easily a 6 figure income. Note I HAVE NOT put in a full time effort into adult for over a year.

SEO Websites Network Overview
1 Link List online since 2000 www.mega-free-porn-site.com (around 50 optimized categories, around 300 paysite seo listings)
1 Link List online since 2002 www.marissas.com (around 50 optimized categories ? strong link trades, around 300 paysite seo listings, good solid site)
1 Pay Site Guide online since 2003 www.reality-porn-sites.org (used to hold nearly ALL top positions for popular pay site searches, really good site, around 300+ paysite reality listings)
1 Model Directory online since 2001 www.velleity.com (around 600+ porn star models)
About 60 ?lower quality? PR3-4 SEO feeder/trade sites all niches, each on their own domain.
About 50 ?medium-higher quality? PR3-4 SEO feeder/trade sites all niches (each optimized for around 75 keywords), each on their own domain.
Around 200 designed for Link Lists free sites across various domains.
A large collection of various other SEO ?stuff,? nothing black hat or high risk optimization. (Explanation of white vs black hat seo here: http://www.silverdisc.co.uk/articles/seohats/ )
Estimated 20,000+ adult keyword phrases targeted across my network.

History of My Adult Business and Related Life

2001: I?m a full time student (freshman 18/19 years old) in college and start working with Link Lists / free sites. Average net income from adult is around $1,500 a month.

2002: Sophomore in college and start to learn SEO and continue to build my Link List and free sites network. Still around $1,500 a month net income.

August 2003: Start heavily investing time into learning SEO and putting effort into it. Aug 2003 income ? about $3000. For the next few months I really put a lot of effort into SEO and developing my ?empire.?

Sept 2003 ? Continue with SEO, focusing on long term stability, low maintenance, and more ethical ?white hat? methods. About $5,000 net income this month.

Oct 2003 ? More SEO work, earn about $8,000 net this month.
Nov 2003 ? More SEO work, earn about $12,000 net this month.
Dec 2003 ? Continue the SEO work, mainly with reality porn, earn about $20,000 net that month. Purchase a $30,000 sports car in cash. Still a full time college student.

2004 ? I?m 21. I drop out of college in Feb 2004 to work adult full time. Purchase a $375,000 home in Texas (with mortgage) in July. Nearly $300,000 income filed with the IRS for ?04. Worked an estimated average of around 20-25 hours a week in adult in '04.

Year of 2005 ? Started exploring with mainstream opportunities, and let adult slide. Worked an estimated average of perhaps 10-15 hours a week on adult. Nearly $100,000 net income from adult in 2005.

Current Year of 2006 ? I?m 23 and married this March. Working an average of still 10-15 hours a week in adult over this year, and expect to finish the year with around $75,000 net income from adult.

My SEO business is easy, profitable, and straightforward with an emphasis on long term stability and low upkeep.

What information would you potential buyers like to see? What services would you like from me upon completion of the sell? I would like to do what it takes to sell my business for what it is truly worth. I wish to leave adult soon, but not at the expense of letting my business go for ?for a steal.? If potential buyers would like to see some work put into this network before I leave in order to see just how quickly revenue can be built up maintained, I am open to ideas.

Please leave your comments or questions or contact information if you would like to know more. My ICQ may be very busy, but I will be on it to answer questions, so please be patient. 11819260

Again, you may also leave contact info if you wish me to reach you.

[Dirty F]

550 dollars.

[SubSonic]

Sounds great kush! Good luck

[ThePope]

hope you stay broke and lose everything left to IRS ...asshole

[baddog]

I will say this. Kush is one of the few SEO's that I have respected for several years. If we were still concentrating on adult this would be a network I would consider picking up.

Good luck Nick.

[xNetworx]

Good luck with the sale

[wedouglas]

I'd like to see more info on your traffic and hear any explanations as to why such a big drop in income since 04.

[Solid Bob]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

I'd like to see more info on your traffic and hear any explanations as to why such a big drop in income since 04.

HE QUIT WORKING ON IT

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

HE QUIT WORKING ON IT

funny how that works

[kush]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

I'd like to see more info on your traffic and hear any explanations as to why such a big drop in income since 04.

Simply put, I did not maintain it enough while others built more and maintained their networks. There were short periods of time since '04 that that I did put more work into my sites to play catch up, and those efforts always paid off. I will be more than happy to elaborate later.

[squishypimp]

good luck on the sale!

[hentaibee]

i think that story is very inspiring.

[kush]

Originally Posted by baddog

I will say this. Kush is one of the few SEO's that I have respected for several years. If we were still concentrating on adult this would be a network I would consider picking up.

Good luck Nick.

Thank you very much, Lloyd, and the respect is mutual.

I am very glad to have had the pleasure of meeting and hanging out with you at the Phoenix Forum a few years back

[TheSenator]

bump... Hope you get a nice chunk of money.

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

what script / program lic's does this come with


please list purchased scripts and programs

[kush]

Originally Posted by pussyserver

what script / program lic's does this come with


please list purchased scripts and programs

The uses of scripts are minimal. I employed in-house webmasters in the past who used some minimal coding, but very little of that is actually run on any of the sites. Most of the websites are fairly simple from a programming standpoint, with little more than some basic php.

As to content that my company owns, I have to look into that more but over the years I do not think I spent more than a few thousands dollars on content, and I would not consider it significant. Most of my money is made from sponsor provided content.

[wedouglas]

nevermind

[ajrocks]

Here's a good question would you provide the buyer with the training he would need to keep it going?

[DarkJedi]

LOL at "SEO Empire" that can be sold in the xx.xxx range

[pussyluver]

Skip the girl, keep the adult "Empire". All that time invested and proved working. You can always find another woman more accepting of your work. Sounds harsh. It's your life and you're welcome to do as you please. At 23, the chances of a marriage lasting the rest of your life....

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

HE QUIT WORKING ON IT

He said he still works 10-15 hours a week on it. An extra 10 hours a week would have been worth $225K if you ask me. It's not like 10 hours is a ton of work that would drop income so much.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by baddog

funny how that works

If you had any idea about SEO (whitehat), you'd know that it doesn't require ANY maintenance.

TGPs need to be worked on.
SEO sites - not.

The most probable reason he is selling is because google just shitcanned good half of his 'empire'.


But feel free to prove me wrong.
Post some keywords with according google/yahoo ranks.

[kush]

Originally Posted by ajrocks

Here's a good question would you provide the buyer with the training he would need to keep it going?

Absolutely. I would be willing to have the buyer fly in and we can spend a couple full days or so going over everything to ensure this network can be used to its full potential. In my opinion this is to be expected with any large sale for the right price.

[kush]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

If you had any idea about SEO (whitehat), you'd know that it doesn't require ANY maintenance.

TGPs need to be worked on.
SEO sites - not.

The most probable reason he is selling is because google just shitcanned good half of his 'empire'.


But feel free to prove me wrong.
Post some keywords with according google/yahoo ranks.

My network is not what it used to be, but your speculation is incorrect. I thought about posting detailed rankings and traffic, but if I were the buyer I would NOT want that information publicly posted. My reasons for selling are personal, not financial.

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by kush

My network is not what it used to be, but your speculation is incorrect. I thought about posting detailed rankings and traffic, but if I were the buyer I would NOT want that information publicly posted. My reasons for selling are personal, not financial.

You wont find any serious takers with out solid evidence of good SEO. SEO is risky because you can lose a lot in a single algorithm change or data push. If you can't give any info on your listings, you will have a hard time finding a buyer.

[Solid Bob]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

If you had any idea about SEO (whitehat), you'd know that it doesn't require ANY maintenance.

TGPs need to be worked on.
SEO sites - not.

The most probable reason he is selling is because google just shitcanned good half of his 'empire'.


But feel free to prove me wrong.
Post some keywords with according google/yahoo ranks.

You are wrong. Seldom does one put up some sites that never have to be touched again but maintain their rankings forever.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by kush

My network is not what it used to be, but your speculation is incorrect. I thought about posting detailed rankings and traffic, but if I were the buyer I would NOT want that information publicly posted. My reasons for selling are personal, not financial.

Trust me, no one will by your 'empire' without seening the rankings.

You think someone will just take your word for it and shell out $xx.xxx ??

Anyway, how much $$ did this network make in August?


(And I'm not just being a dick here. I could buy out your network outright if I thought it was worth it. So far, I do not)

[kush]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

He said he still works 10-15 hours a week on it. An extra 10 hours a week would have been worth $225K if you ask me. It's not like 10 hours is a ton of work that would drop income so much.

That 10-15 hours a week is an average. There were some stretches were it went for a few weeks without any work, and there were some stretches of time where I worked on it full time. I could have handled it better - I know - but it is what it is

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

You are wrong. Seldom does one put up some sites that never have to be touched again but maintain their rankings forever.

Kid, I've been optimizing sites for 6 years now.

Once your site gets into top 10, there's hardly any work involved anymore. You just have to watch out not to fuck it up. Thats it.

You get your top 10 rank, you forget about it and start working on another one.

[Solid Bob]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Kid, I've been optimizing sites for 6 years now.

Once your site gets into top 10, there's hardly ever work involved anymore. You just have to watch out not to fuck it up. Thats it.

You get your top 10 rank, you forget about it and start working on another one.

I'm gonna end up agreeing with jimthefiend about you. As 1 example of 50 million xxxjay NEVER quit building his sites but has had periods where his serps fell dramatically. You would be the only motherfucker on earth that is immune to losing part of your traffic when you quit working.

If it worked like you suggest everybody that knew what they were doing would hire more and more people to build their new stuff since the old was great just sitting. You and everbody else doing SEO would be a billionaire by now.

I don't think that's the case KID.

[kush]

If anybody wishes to email me, my address for this is NICK.at.KUSH.MD.COM (remove periods)

[gfx3]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

I'd like to see more info on your traffic and hear any explanations as to why such a big drop in income since 04.

Eh 2004 was still easy to score high with seo work. It was all about quantity then, remember that major update from google and the introduction of PR, things changed then and SEO has become much more complicated since then.

[fris]

awesome network you have their kush ;) i might know someone that is interested. hit me up on icq 345801040.

[CaptainWolfy]

good luck with your sale...

[kush]

As a buyer, I would want specific rankings and earnings as well. I will provide them privately. At this moment I do not plan on posting them publicly for consideration to the buyer, but if it comes down to that I will. Please be patient as I gather this data. Remember this is only my INITIAL announcement that I am selling.

[tranza]

Good luck dude.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

I'm gonna end up agreeing with jimthefiend about you. As 1 example of 50 million xxxjay NEVER quit building his sites but has had periods where his serps fell dramatically. You would be the only motherfucker on earth that is immune to losing part of your traffic when you quit working.

Building new sites doesn't have anything to do with having to work on your current one. If google changes the algo (which happens only couple of times per year) and you loose some ranks, you just adapt and chage the site around a bit. You don't have to constantly work on it. In case of a LL - yeah you just do the daily reviews.

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

If it worked like you suggest everybody that knew what they were doing would hire more and more people to build their new stuff since the old was great just sitting. You and everbody else doing SEO would be a billionaire by now.

The problem is that it's not so easy to build many sucessfull SEO sites. But trust me, there are quite a few people who are millionaires.


Anyway, back to the topic.

- It is unclear what the original poster is selling. He posted 4 domains with shitty pagerank and so far I can't find them anywhere in Google SERPS.

- He didn't draw a clear picture about how much the network is bringing in. It could have made 30k one month a year ago. What is it making now? What are the last months stats?

- The price is also vague. xxx.xxx range could be anywhere from $10k to $99k. Big difference.

So what the hell are we talking about here?

[gfx3]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

If you had any idea about SEO (whitehat), you'd know that it doesn't require ANY maintenance.

TGPs need to be worked on.
SEO sites - not.

The most probable reason he is selling is because google just shitcanned good half of his 'empire'.


But feel free to prove me wrong.
Post some keywords with according google/yahoo ranks.

I am also thinking this, he scored before google made seo way more complicated. I'm also spending a lot of time learning about seo since the last few months, I am getting the hang of it, very very slowly, msn is making sense to me now, google is extremely complicated but also makes sense in it's own way (booking progress on google) yahoo is the tricky one for me, perhaps it's because you need to spend money on yahoo to get better rankings. About 4 years ago I didn't knew a lot about seo, just the basic stuff and I applied this to a mainstream site and was able to get the 5th position for 1 keyword out of 6 million. Just an example, my site wasn't even optimized, I used frames etc... and the stuff I did was very very basic.

[ClubAdultDesign]

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Good luck w/ your sale.

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

I'm gonna end up agreeing with jimthefiend about you. As 1 example of 50 million xxxjay NEVER quit building his sites but has had periods where his serps fell dramatically. You would be the only motherfucker on earth that is immune to losing part of your traffic when you quit working.

If it worked like you suggest everybody that knew what they were doing would hire more and more people to build their new stuff since the old was great just sitting. You and everbody else doing SEO would be a billionaire by now.

I don't think that's the case KID.

Most of the long lasting top spots hold ground pretty well in adult. Spam is an issue, but most people hand around a very long time. Porn is a lot smaller and easy SEO wise than mainstream. If you get a very good spot and don't use any shady techniques and it has been around a while, it will be hard to lose it.

Google has been playing a lot lately, but I think the majority of the net is ok.

[gfx3]

Originally Posted by wedouglas

Porn is a lot smaller and easy SEO wise than mainstream.

Please talk

[wedouglas]

Originally Posted by kush

As a buyer, I would want specific rankings and earnings as well. I will provide them privately. At this moment I do not plan on posting them publicly for consideration to the buyer, but if it comes down to that I will. Please be patient as I gather this data. Remember this is only my INITIAL announcement that I am selling.

willydjunkmail [a-t] wowway.com with any info you have one them.

[kush]

DarkJedi please leave me your email or ICQ if you would like more info. I can't promise to answer all of your questions today as I am swamped right now, but I will gather it all as quick as I can.

[e-god]

Decent bussines for sale here! Good luck
note: you must be good in SEO to keep these numbers..

[Solid Bob]

Originally Posted by gfx3

Please talk

Ah come on man, seo isn't rocket science. Of course adult is easier.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=porn
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=blogs

Which one do you have a better shot of getting first page for?

[DarkJedi]

Yes, when you put all the details together - I'm interested in August earnings, traffic stasts and keyword ranks - please email me to: jedi -[at]-darksidedata.com

Also your asking price. xx.xxx range is too a vague.

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

Ah come on man, seo isn't rocket science. Of course adult is easier.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=porn
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=blogs

Which one do you have a better shot of getting first page for?

Comparing these two keywords is unwise.

Results 1 - 10 of about 152,000,000 for porn
Results 1 - 10 of about 767,000,000 for blogs

[JD]

Originally Posted by kush

As a buyer, I would want specific rankings and earnings as well. I will provide them privately. At this moment I do not plan on posting them publicly for consideration to the buyer, but if it comes down to that I will. Please be patient as I gather this data. Remember this is only my INITIAL announcement that I am selling.

please forward that info to [email protected] please I'm interested

[Solid Bob]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

Comparing these two keywords is unwise.

Results 1 - 10 of about 152,000,000 for porn
Results 1 - 10 of about 767,000,000 for blogs

I show 1.5 billion for blogs.

And the whole point was adult is smaller so easier to pull seo traffic than mainstream.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DarkJedi

If you had any idea about SEO (whitehat), you'd know that it doesn't require ANY maintenance.

TGPs need to be worked on.
SEO sites - not.

The most probable reason he is selling is because google just shitcanned good half of his 'empire'.


But feel free to prove me wrong.
Post some keywords with according google/yahoo ranks.

yeah, that's right . . . you don't need to maintain a site that has proper SEO . . . . </sarcasm>