Program is Sued by Affiliate for unpaid Joins and Rebills - GoFuckYourself.com

chadknowslaw · 10-16-2006, 12:26 PM

Untangled Web, Inc., better known as www.bananaguide.com, filed a civil suit against the sponsor program Amateur Straight Guys October 13 at Maricopa County Court in Phoenix Arizona. The suit claims that ASG has failed to pay Untangled Web its affiliate payments and that ASG manipulated its Affiliate Stats to show that unpaid amounts were shown as paid. Untangled Web claims that ASG owed $24,291.38 as of September 30, 2006 and payments were behind by several months. The suit asks for all affiliate payments and rebill amounts that are payable, costs of the suit and attorneys fees.
Untangled Web Inc is represented by Chad Belville.

detoxed · 10-16-2006, 12:28 PM

awesome news

LiveDose · 10-16-2006, 12:29 PM

That's awesome. I hope they get spanked if it's true.

squishypimp · 10-16-2006, 12:29 PM

now if only this would work against ibill....

fallenmuffin · 10-16-2006, 12:30 PM

Let that be a lesson to the sponsors.

JD · 10-16-2006, 12:32 PM

I think this is the first of MANY lawsuits.

Sosa · 10-16-2006, 01:12 PM

good luck to them

fuzzylogic · 10-16-2006, 02:30 PM

nice news.

bump

gooddomains · 10-16-2006, 02:32 PM

awasome78

Far-L · 10-16-2006, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

I think this is the first of MANY lawsuits.

lol... I know of one that is a lot older than that...

DutchTeenCash · 10-16-2006, 02:33 PM

holy crap 24k

lesson for programs yes, dont fuck with affiliates

mailman · 10-16-2006, 03:20 PM

24K is nothing im sure the whole Xclusive cash stuff digs a lot deeper then that. I stoped promoting XC once they opted not to paywebmasters because of their legal issues right now and I am owed 3K plus any of the apprent rebills that sparked the whole deal.

This would be intresting to see how it plays out.

Phoenix · 10-16-2006, 03:23 PM

nice..id like to see more people held responsible for their actions..or inactions in this case

mailman · 10-16-2006, 03:23 PM

Chad to do have ICQ? Id love to talk to you.

viva celebs · 10-16-2006, 03:29 PM

good to see, i dont see why sponsors think just because they are an online biz that means they can break the law.

fris · 10-16-2006, 03:30 PM

stick to the good sponsors

Brad Mitchell · 10-16-2006, 04:18 PM

Go get 'em Chad!

Brad

CaptainHowdy · 10-16-2006, 05:40 PM

Dang, those are great news !!

Worldnet · 10-16-2006, 05:41 PM

Serves them right.

Jace · 10-16-2006, 05:58 PM

why aren't more affiliates sueing xclusivecash like this?

Probono · 10-16-2006, 06:12 PM

Hey Chad nice to see you are still alive and even better finding time to post at GFY!

BluMedia · 10-16-2006, 06:58 PM

I couldn't think of a better lawyer, you are the man.

Mark

gecko · 10-16-2006, 07:07 PM

hope they win

CuriousToyBoy · 01-05-2007, 11:30 PM

And a little birdie told me that they DID win, and got awarded the lot.

Nice work Chad !!!!!

;-)

RawAlex · 01-05-2007, 11:37 PM

I have been waiting for a group of people to come together to form a class action against a sponsor (not naming any one in particular) that has nasty shaving habits... to attempt to get a full account of everything going on to make sure that all clicks are being tracked and that all joins or customer payments are properly being attributed to the right places.

I have a feeling that many, many sponsors would fail this.

woj · 01-05-2007, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy

And a little birdie told me that they DID win, and got awarded the lot.

Nice work Chad !!!!!

;-)

nice

starpimps · 01-05-2007, 11:48 PM

good to hear

CyberAgeGary · 01-06-2007, 12:02 AM

Great News.. Good luck to you.

If you are due that much, you must be sending some pretty good joins.. What do I have to do for you to promote our gay site?

LatinBoys.com

Let me know what to do to get your traffic?

I will pay you every pay period, no questions asked...

Jace · 01-06-2007, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

Great News.. Good luck to you.

If you are due that much, you must be sending some pretty good joins.. What do I have to do for you to promote our gay site?

LatinBoys.com

Let me know what to do to get your traffic?

I will pay you every pay period, no questions asked...

OMFG, do you even care what people think of you and your program?

stickyfingerz · 01-06-2007, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy

And a little birdie told me that they DID win, and got awarded the lot.

Nice work Chad !!!!!

;-)

Ahh good stuff. Chad is my fav attorney.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 01-06-2007, 12:20 AM

Hey Chad, that is a similar amount to what iBill owes me. If you can show me how it might be worth it to pursue a case against them, lets do it!

I'm somewhat surprised no law firm has stepped forward with a class action suit against Markley, Spazniak and company.

Somebody has the money - the discovery phase would at least answer that question for those of us who were never told where the money we earned went to...

ADG Webmaster

baddog · 01-06-2007, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

OMFG, do you even care what people think of you and your program?

What exactly are you trying to say?

baddog · 01-06-2007, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Ahh good stuff. Chad is my fav attorney.

He is a handy guy to have around.

Jace · 01-06-2007, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

What exactly are you trying to say?

that even my POOP is sexy

dissipate · 01-06-2007, 12:39 AM

They'll probly never see a penny of it.

Phil · 01-06-2007, 12:45 AM

probably waste of effort but nice to know that someone is willing to fight for their money..

JFK · 01-06-2007, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy

And a little birdie told me that they DID win, and got awarded the lot.

Nice work Chad !!!!!

;-)

Hope the company has enough assets, to be able to collect the awarded sum

Go Chad

Beaver Bob · 01-06-2007, 04:43 AM

Best of luck ,Chad.

Phoenix · 01-06-2007, 07:06 AM

chad is da man

Klen · 01-06-2007, 07:27 AM

That's way is best to stick to major sponsor where you cannot be fucked.

FreeOnes · 01-06-2007, 08:11 AM

I should do that too to all the sponsors whom own me money.
Good thing to start with in 2007

Dirty F · 01-06-2007, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCashGary

Great News.. Good luck to you.

If you are due that much, you must be sending some pretty good joins.. What do I have to do for you to promote our gay site?

LatinBoys.com

Let me know what to do to get your traffic?

I will pay you every pay period, no questions asked...

Jesus dude...

Waveu6410 · 01-06-2007, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I have been waiting for a group of people to come together to form a class action against a sponsor (not naming any one in particular) that has nasty shaving habits... to attempt to get a full account of everything going on to make sure that all clicks are being tracked and that all joins or customer payments are properly being attributed to the right places.

I have a feeling that many, many sponsors would fail this.

I'm in if it happens. I have few sponser that I suspect of shaving bigtime. One of my worst sponsers in Australia which I know I can do nothing about though.

12clicks · 01-06-2007, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waveu6410

I'm in if it happens. I have few sponser that I suspect of shaving bigtime. One of my worst sponsers in Australia which I know I can do nothing about though.

first of all, why the fuck would you use someone you suspect of shaving?

second, Rawalex, I think you'd be surprised at the number of sponsors who *don't* shave. When you're battling 1000s of other programs for WMs, the last thing you want to do is have bad ratios. I think you're WAY more likely to find programs giving WMs fake joins to keep them around, to stealing joins from them.

oh, and about a lawsuit forcing a program to show all of their confidential stuff because you *think* they're cheating, well, bring an Ipod so when you're laughed out of court it doesn't sound as bad.

Dirty F · 01-06-2007, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I have been waiting for a group of people to come together to form a class action against a sponsor (not naming any one in particular) that has nasty shaving habits... to attempt to get a full account of everything going on to make sure that all clicks are being tracked and that all joins or customer payments are properly being attributed to the right places.

I have a feeling that many, many sponsors would fail this.

And you have evidence ofcourse?

Sosa · 01-06-2007, 09:04 AM

awesome that they won

RealityWife · 01-06-2007, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

That's way is best to stick to major sponsor where you cannot be fucked.

So only smaller programs shave? The major programs are the only trust worthy programs? Somehow I cant follow that logic.

scottybuzz · 01-06-2007, 10:20 AM

pay your affiiates. lesson learnt.

will76 · 01-06-2007, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

That's way is best to stick to major sponsor where you cannot be fucked.

Isn't AFF / CAMS one of the biggest (major sponsors)?

What they are doing with zango is shaving. But not only are they shaving their own affiliates by using zango, they are shaving everyone else's signups to other programs.

yeah only trust the big ones,

. they never do anything "shady". They may pay you every week but do you think you are getting the full amount that you should be ?

RawAlex · 01-06-2007, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks

first of all, why the fuck would you use someone you suspect of shaving?

second, Rawalex, I think you'd be surprised at the number of sponsors who *don't* shave. When you're battling 1000s of other programs for WMs, the last thing you want to do is have bad ratios. I think you're WAY more likely to find programs giving WMs fake joins to keep them around, to stealing joins from them.

oh, and about a lawsuit forcing a program to show all of their confidential stuff because you *think* they're cheating, well, bring an Ipod so when you're laughed out of court it doesn't sound as bad.

Your assumption is that they are only shaving signups... that isn't the case at all. Some programs are shaving hits as well, creating better ratios by just not showing all the traffic.

Some programs use tracking methods that allow surfers to get lost while in the tour, or make it very easy for toolbar and malware people to switch out an affiliate code as they enter the signup page.

Some programs create intentional traffic leaks on their front pages, and then only count "second page" clicks... so you have no idea how much traffic got shaved off.

When programs shave off traffic, they can then shave off sales and keep things in ratio. If they have off 100 hits a day, they can shave off a couple of sales too and everything will still be about the same.

There is one program (quite famous, really) that counts somewhat less than 10% of the actual traffic sent to it, as they use a form of unique counting that would make Serge jealous. Their 1 in 200 ratio looks really great unless you track your own hits and realize it is 1 in 2000!

10-16-2006, 12:26 PM	#1
chadknowslaw Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 343	Program is Sued by Affiliate for unpaid Joins and Rebills Untangled Web, Inc., better known as www.bananaguide.com, filed a civil suit against the sponsor program Amateur Straight Guys October 13 at Maricopa County Court in Phoenix Arizona. The suit claims that ASG has failed to pay Untangled Web its affiliate payments and that ASG manipulated its Affiliate Stats to show that unpaid amounts were shown as paid. Untangled Web claims that ASG owed $24,291.38 as of September 30, 2006 and payments were behind by several months. The suit asks for all affiliate payments and rebill amounts that are payable, costs of the suit and attorneys fees. Untangled Web Inc is represented by Chad Belville. __________________ ChadKnowsLaw

10-16-2006, 12:29 PM	#3
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10-16-2006, 12:28 PM	#2
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	awesome news

10-16-2006, 12:30 PM	#5
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	Let that be a lesson to the sponsors.

10-16-2006, 12:32 PM	#6
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	I think this is the first of MANY lawsuits.

10-16-2006, 01:12 PM	#7
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	good luck to them

10-16-2006, 02:30 PM	#8
fuzzylogic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: buffalo, las vegas. icq: 285808879 Posts: 4,796	nice news. bump

10-16-2006, 02:32 PM	#9
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10-16-2006, 03:20 PM	#12
mailman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,311	24K is nothing im sure the whole Xclusive cash stuff digs a lot deeper then that. I stoped promoting XC once they opted not to paywebmasters because of their legal issues right now and I am owed 3K plus any of the apprent rebills that sparked the whole deal. This would be intresting to see how it plays out.

10-16-2006, 03:29 PM	#15
viva celebs Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland and protectorates Posts: 681	good to see, i dont see why sponsors think just because they are an online biz that means they can break the law.

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10-16-2006, 04:18 PM	#17
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10-16-2006, 05:41 PM	#19
Worldnet Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 996	Serves them right.

10-16-2006, 05:58 PM	#20
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	why aren't more affiliates sueing xclusivecash like this?

10-16-2006, 06:12 PM	#21
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	Hey Chad nice to see you are still alive and even better finding time to post at GFY!

10-16-2006, 06:58 PM	#22
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10-16-2006, 07:07 PM	#23
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01-05-2007, 11:30 PM	#24
CuriousToyBoy Crazy Aussie Bastard Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever I lay my hat, that's my home. Posts: 16,787	And a little birdie told me that they DID win, and got awarded the lot. Nice work Chad !!!!! ;-) __________________ Celebs Adult Who's Who ==> Ambush Interview ==> ICQ 293 070 684 ==> intmarpacrim AT gmail DOT com

01-05-2007, 11:37 PM	#25
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I have been waiting for a group of people to come together to form a class action against a sponsor (not naming any one in particular) that has nasty shaving habits... to attempt to get a full account of everything going on to make sure that all clicks are being tracked and that all joins or customer payments are properly being attributed to the right places. I have a feeling that many, many sponsors would fail this.

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01-06-2007, 12:02 AM	#28
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01-06-2007, 12:20 AM	#31
AsianDivaGirlsWebDude Purveyor, Fine Asian Porn Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 38,323	Hey Chad, that is a similar amount to what iBill owes me. If you can show me how it might be worth it to pursue a case against them, lets do it! I'm somewhat surprised no law firm has stepped forward with a class action suit against Markley, Spazniak and company. Somebody has the money - the discovery phase would at least answer that question for those of us who were never told where the money we earned went to... ADG Webmaster __________________ Asian Diva Girls - Exclusive Photos and Videos Asian Diva Girls Affiliate Program (50% ccBill Revshare)

01-06-2007, 12:39 AM	#35
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01-06-2007, 09:04 AM	#46
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	awesome that they won

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