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Paul Markham · 07-02-2002, 09:46 PM

A lot of these jobs are going to move out of the US. I pay my guy $120 a week and he's very happy with that. Will probably have to pay him more when he leaves university.

I know of three people in the UK who tried to do what I've done and the cost of setting it up nearly sent them bankrupt.

darksoul · 07-02-2002, 09:57 PM

just a thought
php sucks
I can tech you perl

darksoul · 07-02-2002, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
A lot of these jobs are going to move out of the US. I pay my guy $120 a week and he's very happy with that. Will probably have to pay him more when he leaves university.

I know of three people in the UK who tried to do what I've done and the cost of setting it up nearly sent them bankrupt.

Does UK have financial problems or what ?

foe · 07-02-2002, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoul
just a thought
php sucks
I can tech you perl

I know perl as well but thanks, btw perl sucks php is a lot better/faster

mike503 · 07-02-2002, 10:22 PM

i don't know much C, but i know everything else.

i don't have normal 9-5 time available during weekdays, but i do off-hours just fine.

if you're still lookin.. hit me up. i can do 2x the code in 1/2 the time.. you won't need me for a full 40/week

i've done some work for people on the board. you can ask around.

darksoul · 07-02-2002, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foe

I know perl as well but thanks, btw perl sucks php is a lot better/faster

my ass
just because you work php doesn't mean php is better.
I understand why you think that.
But I can give you facts
perl is much faster than php
php its just easy to code.
but if you'd know perl well you wouldn't say that.

foe · 07-02-2002, 10:31 PM

Perl is not much faster than php, give me one source which states that

foe · 07-02-2002, 10:32 PM

3. PHP: Speed, Speed, Speed
In other articles, I have commented that the main reason why I like PHP is its speed. I have anecdotal evidence in WWWThreads. This is a popular web forum available in both PHP and Perl versions. The general consensus is that the PHP one is faster. Refer to this posting and this one by Scream, the author of the software.

Also note gfy is coded in php

http://php.weblogs.com/php_versus_perl

so overall I would say php is a better language than perl.

foe · 07-02-2002, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
i don't know much C, but i know everything else.

i don't have normal 9-5 time available during weekdays, but i do off-hours just fine.

if you're still lookin.. hit me up. i can do 2x the code in 1/2 the time.. you won't need me for a full 40/week

i've done some work for people on the board. you can ask around.

Mike just pick up any book C should be a snap, c code looks likes php and perl code. (PHP is built on C) The main thing you will need to adjust to is declaring variables

mike503 · 07-02-2002, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foe

Mike just pick up any book C should be a snap, c code looks likes php and perl code. (PHP is built on C) The main thing you will need to adjust to is declaring variables

wow! you're shitting me! PHP was written in C?!?!?!

duh.

mike503 · 07-02-2002, 10:41 PM

php can be faster than perl (for web stuff probably a lot easier..)

but on the flipside perl can be faster than php.

depends on how both scripts are written, if things like mod_perl/fcgi are installed, etc.

when it comes down to it, on a basic system install, php will run faster in my opinion since out of the box it requires less effort to write efficient code. with perl you have to code "strict" and to get the same kind of performance gains, you have to run it through mod_perl and/or fastcgi.

perl was made for text processing (well and newsgroup fetching) - php was made for the web. trials on the web give php an advantage already obviously..

darksoul · 07-02-2002, 10:49 PM

+
I'm not going to have this debate,
it was already done lots of times, RTFM
The example you gave doesn't stand
just because that wwwthread you're talking about was faster in php.
maybe the coder of the perl version wasn't as good as the php one.
and it does matter what you use it for
if you use php just to echo some test
it will be as fast as the perl version.
ever wondered why tgsw or adcycle or any good traffic script
wasn't coded in php ?
php is simple to code.
how do you test the speed of a language ?
use php and perl to process a 3GB file , which one do you think
will be faster ?
use the both to generate 10k of random numbers with 100 digits each..., again which one works faster ?

drunkdollars · 07-02-2002, 10:51 PM

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If you don't have a drinking problem don't bother to reply. I need you 100% drunk when you are working.

darksoul · 07-02-2002, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
php can be faster than perl (for web stuff probably a lot easier..)

but on the flipside perl can be faster than php.

depends on how both scripts are written, if things like mod_perl/fcgi are installed, etc.

when it comes down to it, on a basic system install, php will run faster in my opinion since out of the box it requires less effort to write efficient code. with perl you have to code "strict" and to get the same kind of performance gains, you have to run it through mod_perl and/or fastcgi.

perl was made for text processing (well and newsgroup fetching) - php was made for the web. trials on the web give php an advantage already obviously..

mike503 · 07-02-2002, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoul
+
I'm not going to have this debate,
it was already done lots of times, RTFM
The example you gave doesn't stand
just because that wwwthread you're talking about was faster in php.
maybe the coder of the perl version wasn't as good as the php one.
and it does matter what you use it for
if you use php just to echo some test
it will be as fast as the perl version.
ever wondered why tgsw or adcycle or any good traffic script
wasn't coded in php ?
php is simple to code.
how do you test the speed of a language ?
use php and perl to process a 3GB file , which one do you think
will be faster ?
use the both to generate 10k of random numbers with 100 digits each..., again which one works faster ?

first part is exactly my point. depending on who codes what, either/or can be faster.

second off, maybe tgsw, adcycle and other things were coded in perl because that's what language the coder liked? they happened to know all the modules they'd need to make something happen? it was coded before PHP got popular.. and there's no reason to convert?

"php is simple to code" has nothing to do with why programs wouldn't be written using PHP. in fact, that's the opposite statement. you'll see more and more programs nowadays being coded in PHP since it's so easy. i'm not saying they'll be fast, scalable, easy to maintain, or clean.. but nonetheless they were created in PHP.

PHP may be "easy to code" but like any language it takes some skill to refine your coding techniques to make your programs/scripts scalable, modular, reusable, clean and efficient. just like perl. even C with all it's strict datatypes and such can lead to inefficient methods depending on the person doing the coding. it's a subjective test. there is no right answer.

foe · 07-02-2002, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
php can be faster than perl (for web stuff probably a lot easier..)

but on the flipside perl can be faster than php.

depends on how both scripts are written, if things like mod_perl/fcgi are installed, etc.

when it comes down to it, on a basic system install, php will run faster in my opinion since out of the box it requires less effort to write efficient code. with perl you have to code "strict" and to get the same kind of performance gains, you have to run it through mod_perl and/or fastcgi.

perl was made for text processing (well and newsgroup fetching) - php was made for the web. trials on the web give php an advantage already obviously..

Also in my opinion php is much more modular which is also a big plus

foe · 07-02-2002, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoul
+
I'm not going to have this debate,
it was already done lots of times, RTFM
The example you gave doesn't stand
just because that wwwthread you're talking about was faster in php.
maybe the coder of the perl version wasn't as good as the php one.
and it does matter what you use it for
if you use php just to echo some test
it will be as fast as the perl version.
ever wondered why tgsw or adcycle or any good traffic script
wasn't coded in php ?
php is simple to code.
how do you test the speed of a language ?
use php and perl to process a 3GB file , which one do you think
will be faster ?
use the both to generate 10k of random numbers with 100 digits each..., again which one works faster ?

File processing Perl is A LOT faster than php, however most web programs use databases like mysql.

foe · 07-02-2002, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoul

? I completely agree with what mike said why is it funny?

foe · 07-02-2002, 10:56 PM

BTW lets not get into a flame war, each one is good both are better for diffrent things, and in the end they both are better than ASP and thats what counts

Micro$oft

mike503 · 07-02-2002, 10:59 PM

i'm actually getting impressed with some of the things i see with .NET.

gasp.

darksoul · 07-02-2002, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503

first part is exactly my point. depending on who codes what, either/or can be faster.

second off, maybe tgsw, adcycle and other things were coded in perl because that's what language the coder liked? they happened to know all the modules they'd need to make something happen? it was coded before PHP got popular.. and there's no reason to convert?

"php is simple to code" has nothing to do with why programs wouldn't be written using PHP. in fact, that's the opposite statement. you'll see more and more programs nowadays being coded in PHP since it's so easy. i'm not saying they'll be fast, scalable, easy to maintain, or clean.. but nonetheless they were created in PHP.

PHP may be "easy to code" but like any language it takes some skill to refine your coding techniques to make your programs/scripts scalable, modular, reusable, clean and efficient. just like perl. even C with all it's strict datatypes and such can lead to inefficient methods depending on the person doing the coding. it's a subjective test. there is no right answer.

Everything you say its true.
But we're not talking about how that script looks on the web
thats design part and it has nothing to do with the script itself.
I want to see someone that will write a good traffic script in php
no, that won't happen anytime soon, those will be written in perl
or C.
There are points where php can be faster than perl
but that has nothing to do with programming.
To compare the speed of two programming languages
you have to use them to do the same thing but with high values.
and in the same environment.

mike503 · 07-02-2002, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoul

I want to see someone that will write a good traffic script in php
no, that won't happen anytime soon, those will be written in perl
or C.

write me the design specs and i'll show you the code.

Choker · 07-02-2002, 11:22 PM

Thanks for all the icqs. I found a guy to make and submit galleries everyday, and another to setup and admin servers on a per event basis. I could still use 1 or 2 guys who can help me when I fuck up the boxes once a week or so.

As for as the php/perl debate goes. I will NEVER EVER pay for a php script again. NEVER.

foe · 07-02-2002, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503
i'm actually getting impressed with some of the things i see with .NET.

gasp.

No you didnt just say that

foe · 07-02-2002, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoul

Everything you say its true.
But we're not talking about how that script looks on the web
thats design part and it has nothing to do with the script itself.
I want to see someone that will write a good traffic script in php
no, that won't happen anytime soon, those will be written in perl
or C.
There are points where php can be faster than perl
but that has nothing to do with programming.
To compare the speed of two programming languages
you have to use them to do the same thing but with high values.
and in the same environment.

again show me a source for that

darksoul · 07-02-2002, 11:25 PM

I agree that a lot of webmasters use php.
I can even tell you why

.
But if we're talking about the speed, you should start wondering
why the big guys prefer perl for php.

foe · 07-02-2002, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
Thanks for all the icqs. I found a guy to make and submit galleries everyday, and another to setup and admin servers on a per event basis. I could still use 1 or 2 guys who can help me when I fuck up the boxes once a week or so.

As for as the php/perl debate goes. I will NEVER EVER pay for a php script again. NEVER.

Why not, got a bad designer?

foe · 07-02-2002, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by darksoul
I agree that a lot of webmasters use php.
I can even tell you why .
But if we're talking about the speed, you should start wondering
why the big guys prefer perl for php.

Big guys dont prefer perl, http://www.php.net/usage.php btw do you consider gfy to be big, and they use php (gasp)

spanky · 07-02-2002, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foe
3. PHP: Speed, Speed, Speed

My mod_perl handlers usually end up a little faster than my php scripts, and my jsp clocks in at about the same. I wrote an apache module in C once and I would say that it was only a wee bit faster than a mod_perl handler.

Don't misunderstand: I use php almost everyday, it's perfect for quick web dev but I use perl every single day. I've done things in perl I would never think of doing with php like a pop3 mail server, a windows gui prog using the TK libs, a distributed web crawler, etc.

cheers

darksoul · 07-02-2002, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foe

Big guys dont prefer perl, http://www.php.net/usage.php btw do you consider gfy to be big, and they use php (gasp)

no I don't consider gfy to be big
its just a board, ( a nice one

)
google is big

foe · 07-02-2002, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spanky

My mod_perl handlers usually end up a little faster than my php scripts, and my jsp clocks in at about the same. I wrote an apache module in C once and I would say that it was only a wee bit faster than a mod_perl handler.

Don't misunderstand: I use php almost everyday, it's perfect for quick web dev but I use perl every single day. I've done things in perl I would never think of doing with php like a pop3 mail server, a windows gui prog using the TK libs, a distributed web crawler, etc.

cheers

I would never considering doign things in php either it was built for web dev and It does that job very well.

mike503 · 07-03-2002, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choker
As for as the php/perl debate goes. I will NEVER EVER pay for a php script again. NEVER.

damn shame. as the buyer, you should really have no say or care what technology is used as long as the job gets done. but hey, you can call the shots if you want... be sure to talk a lot about java, xml and wap..

msg · 07-03-2002, 09:07 AM

who cares? about this php perl debate, I was looking for more info on the job at McDonalds.

FATPad · 07-03-2002, 09:37 AM

Perl was initially used because as a language built for text parsing, it was perfect for the net.

Basically it was here first because it fit the needs of the early internet best. Time's have changed. Perl is being overtaken by php because it's easier to use and it is faster in most cases.

FATPad · 07-03-2002, 09:39 AM

Just for my own curiosity, what's the largest site running a pure perl trading script?

All the huge guys run scripts in C (which is understandable). CJ Ultra is the next biggest one I know of that's not written in C, and that's written in PHP.

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mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	php can be faster than perl (for web stuff probably a lot easier..) but on the flipside perl can be faster than php. depends on how both scripts are written, if things like mod_perl/fcgi are installed, etc. when it comes down to it, on a basic system install, php will run faster in my opinion since out of the box it requires less effort to write efficient code. with perl you have to code "strict" and to get the same kind of performance gains, you have to run it through mod_perl and/or fastcgi. perl was made for text processing (well and newsgroup fetching) - php was made for the web. trials on the web give php an advantage already obviously.. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

07-02-2002, 10:49 PM	#62
darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	+ I'm not going to have this debate, it was already done lots of times, RTFM The example you gave doesn't stand just because that wwwthread you're talking about was faster in php. maybe the coder of the perl version wasn't as good as the php one. and it does matter what you use it for if you use php just to echo some test it will be as fast as the perl version. ever wondered why tgsw or adcycle or any good traffic script wasn't coded in php ? php is simple to code. how do you test the speed of a language ? use php and perl to process a 3GB file , which one do you think will be faster ? use the both to generate 10k of random numbers with 100 digits each..., again which one works faster ? __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth

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foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	Perl is not much faster than php, give me one source which states that

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foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	3. PHP: Speed, Speed, Speed In other articles, I have commented that the main reason why I like PHP is its speed. I have anecdotal evidence in WWWThreads. This is a popular web forum available in both PHP and Perl versions. The general consensus is that the PHP one is faster. Refer to this posting and this one by Scream, the author of the software. Also note gfy is coded in php http://php.weblogs.com/php_versus_perl so overall I would say php is a better language than perl.

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07-03-2002, 09:39 AM	#85
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Just for my own curiosity, what's the largest site running a pure perl trading script? All the huge guys run scripts in C (which is understandable). CJ Ultra is the next biggest one I know of that's not written in C, and that's written in PHP. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>