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10-11-2006, 07:55 AM

Being named in several of the recent scumware threads did not mean that you supported these activities or were even aware of the specifics. However, your continued silence not only suggests you have no problem with affiliates who use these methods to drive traffic to you. It also gives rise to the question as to whether or not you are directly involved as customers of zango and the like.

Can you at least confirm that you do not buy traffic from sources which hijack traffic from your own affiliates as well as from other sponsors?
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10-11-2006, 08:53 AM

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10-11-2006, 09:00 AM

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10-11-2006, 09:01 AM

zango will be a top sponsors

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10-11-2006, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Fris

zango will be a top sponsors

I guess the ultimate foolishness will come when one of these scumware merchants allows bidding on his competitors' domains...
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10-11-2006, 11:29 AM

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10-11-2006, 11:29 AM

Bumped !!!!
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10-11-2006, 11:30 AM

Holly shit wtf happened ?
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10-11-2006, 11:31 AM

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10-11-2006, 11:35 AM

no one will reply...they are not stupid...they buy sales..period...they do not care how they get them and the more the better....so i fzango is getting them 1k sales a day it will take 100 webmasters pulling 10 sales a day to make a difference....

they are in biz to make money....not to cater to every affiliates whim...

i will doubt if you ever get a response

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10-11-2006, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by AmateurWealth

no one will reply...they are not stupid...they buy sales..period...they do not care how they get them and the more the better....so i fzango is getting them 1k sales a day it will take 100 webmasters pulling 10 sales a day to make a difference....

they are in biz to make money....not to cater to every affiliates whim...

i will doubt if you ever get a response

Isn't it the same 100 affiliates that are generation the traffic in the first place? The way I understand the Zango software, it doesn't actually send the traffic, it just hijacks the surfer that the legitimate affiliate is sending.. So how is the sponsor loosing sales by not supporting spyware? It seems to me that the sponsor would actually be loosing sales supporting spyware since the type-in surfers will be redirected to an affiliate id as well as the normal linked traffic..

That is, unless the sponsor is paying the spyware companies to hijack surfers from other sites too.. Then they are probably just in a circle jerk war against similar sites and are spending money hand over fist to have the high bid in the spyware..
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10-11-2006, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by AmateurWealth

no one will reply...they are not stupid...they buy sales..period...they do not care how they get them and the more the better....so i fzango is getting them 1k sales a day it will take 100 webmasters pulling 10 sales a day to make a difference....

they are in biz to make money....not to cater to every affiliates whim...

i will doubt if you ever get a response

So share with us the companies doing this it seems like you know a lot about this and don't seem to care ...

By the way nice feeling on affiliates lol. I can't believe people post stuff like that and expect people to want to promote them.

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10-11-2006, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by AmateurWealth

no one will reply...they are not stupid...they buy sales..period...they do not care how they get them and the more the better....so i fzango is getting them 1k sales a day it will take 100 webmasters pulling 10 sales a day to make a difference....

they are in biz to make money....not to cater to every affiliates whim...

i will doubt if you ever get a response

And I didn't expect any. The point of this thread was to highlight their silence and to get people thinking whether it means more than that these sponsors are simply turning a blind eye to how some of their affiliates operate.

Short-sighted as many affiliates are, how many would go on promoting a sponsor who was paying someone to hijack his traffic? It's one thing to fluff the way you handle stolen content sites and the like, but maybe the silence on this issue is because of the knowledge that some things are over the line.
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10-11-2006, 01:29 PM

this threads going to be long

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10-11-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by madawgz

this threads going to be long

No it isn't. But nice paste job
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10-11-2006, 02:35 PM

I've come to the conclusion that the silent ones DO support it and may very well be involved themselves..if they had nothing to hide they would just say so..theres no reason not to otherwise..didnt seem to scare of any of the big sponsors that have responded from doing so.

I guess its really just time to quit doing business with the silent ones and support the ones that want our traffic and sales.
If enough of us stop promoting the silent ones programs we can have an impact on them and maybe they will get the message that we aren't going to do business with programs that support and seem to be involved with spyware hijacking themselves.
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10-11-2006, 02:44 PM

bump for this thread. even if they say theyre not supporting this shit what would you know?

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10-11-2006, 03:02 PM

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10-12-2006, 12:25 AM

I am 100% sure they both buy keywords from zango.

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10-12-2006, 06:39 AM

This should be a contest thread.

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10-12-2006, 06:52 AM

we should all pitch in some $$$ and buy every keyword for sponsors that use Zango and send the traffic else where.
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10-12-2006, 06:54 AM

I asked twice in this morning's thread about new cams.com banners, what steps Lensman was taking to prevent the hijacking of affiliates' traffic and again got no response. It seems almost ludicrous to ask affiliates to put an effort into promoting someone who is being targeted (whether passively or via their own involvement) by scumware.

Let's say I have an existing cams.com banner spot and the new banners are good enough to raise my click-throughs 10%. That would normally be an excellent result. But if thousands of new scumware installs are being done every day, it won't be long before that edge - and more - are wiped out.

And there is no incentive at all to swap out a promo for a "clean" sponsor for one who is a scumware target...
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10-12-2006, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by AmateurWealth

no one will reply...they are not stupid...they buy sales..period...they do not care how they get them and the more the better....so i fzango is getting them 1k sales a day it will take 100 webmasters pulling 10 sales a day to make a difference....

they are in biz to make money....not to cater to every affiliates whim...

i will doubt if you ever get a response

You're wasting your time, these idiots don't get it. They're under the illusion that programs would rather cater to the affiliates rather than make money. You're ALL here to make money, so if they found a more efficient way, then you're fucked. If you want to bitch and cry that's fine, frankly nobody is going to care. You're in the porn business so it's not like "Spyware" is suddenly giving you a bad name.

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10-12-2006, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by The Demon

You're ALL here to make money, so if they found a more efficient way, then you're fucked. If you want to bitch and cry that's fine, frankly nobody is going to care. You're in the porn business so it's not like "Spyware" is suddenly giving you a bad name.
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10-12-2006, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by The Demon

these idiots don't get it. They're under the illusion that programs would rather cater to the affiliates rather than make money. You're ALL here to make money, so if they found a more efficient way, then you're fucked.

No-one is under any illusions.

If there were a better, long-term alternative to affiliates, it would be entirely reasonable for sponsors to choose it. But scumware isn't that alternative: it depends on exactly the same webmasters to promote its installs.
Every promo spot on every affiliate site which is now allocated to Zango and the like, would otherwise have been promoting someone else. Affiliates, if at all, won't earn extra for long and the sponsors whose promos have been dropped, lose out from day one.

All the scumware people are doing is inserting themselves between the affiliate and the sponsor, taking their own cut (from both) in the process.

That might not be a bad thing if they were adding value in exchange for that cut. But their impact is positively damaging: immediately to sponsors and to affiliates attempting to promote anything but scumware and in the long run to the affiliates promoting scumware as well.

The impact on "legitimate" affiliates is obvious: an increasing percentage of their traffic never reaches its intended destination. The impact on sponsors is that if they or their affiliates don't pay the price necessary to buy the traffic from the scumware merchants, they will lose traffic. When it comes right down to it, scumware is a protection racket. At best it shaves a percentage right off the bottom line. At worst, if you don't pay and no-one pays on your behalf, an even bigger bite it taken.

This isn't a more efficient way to make money, for anyone but the scumware merchants themselves and anyone who isn't actively opposed to their existence is a fool. Simple as that.
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10-12-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by BusterPorn

we should all pitch in some $$$ and buy every keyword for sponsors that use Zango and send the traffic else where.

Well intersting thought and probably would be the only way to get any kind of reponse. Yet, then again isn't this what is already kind of happening ...

Doesn't this pit companies against eachother? Maybe sponsors will destroy themselves by bidding against eachother for the same company keywords and general keywords. It's like ok; I want to advertise my program so let me buy up all the keywords of companies doing the same thing and the same general search terms and pop my ad? This sounds like the stuff sponsors were complaining about in review sites in that if you type in a niche site they have all these other offers and that they are taking your keywords. But, of course this at a whole different level than those sites.

May be way off here but oh well bump none the less ...
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10-12-2006, 11:09 AM

Companies have sued Gator (now Claria) back in 2002 for displaying ads that covered their sites with competitor sites and won. You can see it here:

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http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/edelman/gator/

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10-12-2006, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by vanderweb

Doesn't this pit companies against eachother?

Of course it does. In this post - http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=211 - allegedly someone from Zango is admitting that AFF is one of their customers. Yet in one of the screenshots we have since this past week, was what appeared to be an affiliate's link to AFF being popped over by a Zango-triggered window promoting SexSearch.

A lot of this is auction based, so as long as they don't mind signing checks, SexSearch - for example - can grab a piece of - again for example - AFF's business. But there is nothing to prevent AFF writing a check and getting a slice of Sexsearch's pie. For that matter another sponsor entirely (or an affiliate promoting another sponsor) can come along and buy traffic diverted from both of them. There isn't even a risk involved once you have figured out conversion rates, so you can play games with a competitor's business and even make a profit in the process. You could do a lot more damage before it started to get really expensive.

Any sponsors who are working with Zango and the rest, really have to be assuming that their competitors are as dumb as they appear to think their affiliates are. I guess we shall have to wait and see...
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10-12-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by The Demon

You're in the porn business so it's not like "Spyware" is suddenly giving you a bad name.

Surely is. Porn = good, spyware = bad.
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