The US will eventually ruin the Internet - GoFuckYourself.com

xanx · 10-07-2006, 05:12 PM

Conservative legislation, lawsuits, two tier system, etc.. The US is going to be the Virus that eventually ruins the net. My latest rant comes from

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=17511

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WESTON, Fla. ? A woman who posted defamatory statements on an online bulletin board has been dealt an $11.3 million blow by a Broward County jury, leading adult entertainment lawyer J.D. Obenberger to say that website operators and Internet users need a wake-up call when it comes to the things they post on industry boards such as GoFuckYourself, hahahahahahahahahaha and others.

madawgz · 10-07-2006, 05:28 PM

what the fuck, you can be sued for what you say on gfy? :\

Pleasurepays · 10-07-2006, 05:28 PM

why should you be able to make defamatory statements online if you can't offline? or can you read?

scottybuzz · 10-07-2006, 05:30 PM

*ouch* fucking hell!

america has already ruined food and the english langauge though. no need to worry.

oh no! now I may be sued for defamatory against america!!!

GrouchyAdmin · 10-07-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

oh no! now I may be sued for defamatory against america!!!

We don't have laws banning you from being a stupid fuck, yet. Actually, we seem to thrive on that. You're A-OK!

Dirty Dane · 10-07-2006, 05:34 PM

How does that ruin internet?

Solid Bob · 10-07-2006, 05:35 PM

“Some court have said sites can remove copyrighted material and child porn without fear of incurring liability akin to that of a media source — that’s an area of the law that is changing,” Obenberger said. “But the minute a site like GFY starts editing out postings for defamation, it opens itself up to liability if it misses a defamatory post.”

I tried to tell board owners this before and they laughed at me.

tony286 · 10-07-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

why should you be able to make defamatory statements online if you can't offline? or can you read?

I have to agree with you

Pleasurepays · 10-07-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by madawgz

what the fuck, you can be sued for what you say on gfy? :\

sssshhhh.... the adults are speaking.

tony286 · 10-07-2006, 05:40 PM

I also think its not the us its the lawyers they smell blood in the water lol Calling someone a thief does hurt their rep and shouldnt be said unless able to back it up.

xanx · 10-07-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

How does that ruin internet?

I'm just saying we can look forward to the net being over litigated and a tool for useless politicians to attack with more and more laws.. I guess I'm just missing the old days, when I could call someone an idiot on a forum and not have to worry about a legal fight

Pleasurepays · 10-07-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xanx

I'm just saying we can look forward to the net being over litigated and a tool for useless politicians to attack with more and more laws.. I guess I'm just missing the old days, when I could call someone an idiot on a forum and not have to worry about a legal fight

unless "the good ole days" for you are about 3 weeks ago... these lawsuits have been going on since the 96 or so.

Dirty Dane · 10-07-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xanx

I guess I'm just missing the old days, when I could call someone an idiot on a forum and not have to worry about a legal fight

Idiot!!

madawgz · 10-07-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

sssshhhh.... the adults are speaking.

dont sue me!

edit: i live in canada, i dont think you can

xanx · 10-07-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

unless "the good ole days" for you are about 3 weeks ago... these lawsuits have been going on since the 96 or so.

I'm aware of that, I just think they are picking up steam and will continue to do so until we are hit with a rash of "hot coffee" equivalent litigation.

2HousePlague · 10-07-2006, 05:47 PM

Mutants shall inherit the Earth.

2hp

Pleasurepays · 10-07-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xanx

I'm aware of that, I just think they are picking up steam and will continue to do so until we are hit with a rash of "hot coffee" equivalent litigation.

picking up steam? because you found an article?

first things first... you will need batteries, flashlights, blankets, water proof matches, bottled water, canned food and a bunker in the mountains. once you have insured your own safety and survival and are reasonably sure the world won't implode before your 18th birthday, you can then turn your attention to saving the planet with cut and paste articles backed up with useless opinions, awkward assumptions and crappy analogies.

xanx · 10-07-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

picking up steam? because you found an article?

first things first... you will need batteries, flashlights, blankets, water proof matches, bottled water, canned food and a bunker in the mountains. once you have insured your own safety and survival and are reasonably sure the world won't implode before your 18th birthday, you can then turn your attention to saving the planet with cut and paste articles backed up with useless opinions, awkward assumptions and crappy analogies.

Yes, you are correct, that is the only article or case I have seen since 96, oh and yes, you are on roll tonight, my bunker is being built as we speak.

tony286 · 10-07-2006, 05:57 PM

I see it now a new market forum liability insurance, man some one could get rich with that lol

spasmo · 10-07-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Idiot!!

Even if that wasn't directed at me, see you in court.

xanx · 10-07-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I see it now a new market forum liability insurance, man some one could get rich with that lol

actually a good idea lol,

don't reporters get libel insurance, i think they do.

tony286 · 10-07-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xanx

actually a good idea lol,

don't reporters get libel insurance, i think they do.

Something like that I forgot the name of it , I have a friend he is a news videographer, his insurance runs about 5 grand a year and a big chunk of it is that.

Pleasurepays · 10-07-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xanx

Yes, you are correct, that is the only article or case I have seen since 96, oh and yes, you are on roll tonight, my bunker is being built as we speak.

just because you live in disney world and the land of enchantment, don't pretend that you can't see an obvious problem with someone posting your real name and calling you a child pornographer and pedophile all day long to be archived, linked to and spread across the web for rest of your life.

but then again, if you're digging a bunker in a swamp in orlando... "the rest of your life" shouldn't be too much longer

xanx · 10-07-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

just because you live in disney world and the land of enchantment, don't pretend that you can't see an obvious problem with someone posting your real name and calling you a child pornographer and pedophile all day long to be archived, linked to and spread across the web for rest of your life.

but then again, if you're digging a bunker in a swamp in orlando... "the rest of your life" shouldn't be too much longer

I'm sorry, let me clarify for those with a low IQ

I understand the need in extreme cases for litigation, I am venting about the rash of "hot coffee" litigation I believe is going to be on the rise.

I'm sorry, I forget to spell everything out word for word two or three times for the retarded.

minusonebit · 10-07-2006, 06:10 PM

What is this eventually stuff? They already have.

What will happen is the internet will decentralize, and there will be many internets... all seperate from eachother and probably with few if any crossover links. Which, honestly, might be for the better.

Too many things depend on it to get rid of it completely, but its going to split apart soon. The writing is on the wall.

xanx · 10-07-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

What is this eventually stuff? They already have.

What will happen is the internet will decentralize, and there will be many internets... all seperate from eachother and probably with few if any crossover links. Which, honestly, might be for the better.

Too many things depend on it to get rid of it completely, but its going to split apart soon. The writing is on the wall.

Yea, I don't see that is being a good thing. I do agree with yuo though, it's comming.

Pleasurepays · 10-07-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xanx

I'm sorry, let me clarify for those with a low IQ

I understand the need in extreme cases for litigation, I am venting about the rash of "hot coffee" litigation I believe is going to be on the rise.

I'm sorry, I forget to spell everything out word for word two or three times for the retarded.

using the term "hot coffee litigation" as you are, also indicates that you have no clue what that case was about and why she was awarded what she was. defamation is defamation. you posted a link about a defamation lawsuit. a person made liabelous and defamatory statements (repeatedly) with the intent of causing harm to the person that was the object of those statements won a lawsuit. its not like its something totally abstract and senseless like a guy trying to sue a hamster because his wife beats him.

you made the statement "The US will eventually ruin the internet" and you cannot support that statement with anything other than calling me retarded.

suprised your mom isn't using NetNanny to keep you off of sites like this.

RawAlex · 10-07-2006, 06:15 PM

You shouldn't have more protection because you are behind a keyboard rather than face to face. I have seen no end of miserable fucks that will post all sorts of shit on the boards, and then they are all smiles and chuckles at conventions and buying you a beer.

It is clear from this judgement that stuff is actionable. There are some people out there that need to wise up.

Alex

Lazonby · 10-07-2006, 06:17 PM

If you think that the US is going to ruin the internet, then you haven't been paying attention.

The alternative is that the UN runs it, and they have already said that they want to censor it to buggery (ie. you won't be able to criticise left wing or Muslim leaders, etc).

tony286 · 10-07-2006, 06:18 PM

I think alot less bullshit happens on boards where you have to use your real name. People arent as brave when not hiding behind a nick.

pussyluver · 10-07-2006, 06:19 PM

Agree with your orginal post Xanx.

After reading the article referenced it occurs to me that since GFY DOES limit some speech by banning those that make accusations like shaving without proof, may be setting them selves up to be in-line of suit!!

So the point: Is GFY accepting responsibility for all that is said on the board now? That seems to be the direction of the law per the article.

xanx · 10-07-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby

If you think that the US is going to ruin the internet, then you haven't been paying attention.

The alternative is that the UN runs it, and they have already said that they want to censor it to buggery (ie. you won't be able to criticise left wing or Muslim leaders, etc).

That sucks too,

I'm not saying I have a solution though, I don't. I just don't like the way it's headed now

Missie · 10-07-2006, 06:21 PM

A girlfriend called me recently to go watch TV right away. She knows I work online and I often post in forums. It was on Dr. Phil of all shows.

It was about some site for women to talk about their ex and vent. Many posted pictures of their ex and bashed them. The female forum OWNER was being sued by some guy for something that a poster (one of his ex) had said about him.

The suit was on the basis that she (forum OWNER) had control to delete posts that were "inappropriate". Those that were left without being edited or deleted, damaged his reputation if anyone ever did a search for his name and it affected his career. Both sides made good arguments but it sounded like Dr. Phil and the audience were cheering more for the guy than the forum owner. The vast majority of the audience are women, so go figure...

It was still ongoing so I have no idea what will happen.

Missie

Pleasurepays · 10-07-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

You shouldn't have more protection because you are behind a keyboard rather than face to face. I have seen no end of miserable fucks that will post all sorts of shit on the boards, and then they are all smiles and chuckles at conventions and buying you a beer.

It is clear from this judgement that stuff is actionable. There are some people out there that need to wise up.

Alex

i find myself agreeing with you all the time recently. i am starting to fear its a sign of the apacolypse

pussyluver · 10-07-2006, 06:21 PM

The UN can't run a pay toilet.

xanx · 10-07-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pussyluver

So the point: Is GFY accepting responsibility for all that is said on the board now? That seems to be the direction of the law per the article.

exactly,

and why should they? I don't think they should have too, but it's comming =(

pussyluver · 10-07-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xanx

exactly,

and why should they? I don't think they should have too, but it's comming =(

Answer is sue before you get sued......

Martin3 · 10-07-2006, 06:23 PM

I support that law, but the judgement in that case($11.3 million) is fucking ridiculous.

pussyluver · 10-07-2006, 06:26 PM

GFY would be kinda boring if this takes hold. The drama would really fall off. I think you see the board changing now with some being more cerful about what and how they say what they post.

fris · 10-07-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by madawgz

dont sue me!

edit: i live in canada, i dont think you can

canada has these laws too, even if you live in canada you can be sued by an american company.

overseas, etc.

pussyluver · 10-07-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin3

I support that law, but the judgement in that case($11.3 million) is fucking ridiculous.

Judgements are out of hand on everything. So are governement fines. Ok for the big players that have the bucks. Just cost of doing business. For eveyone else it is a screw job.

pussyluver · 10-07-2006, 06:29 PM

Your a local TV station in Salina KS. Population whatever (small) network feeds something raw and you get a $325K fine. More than the budget for several months...

pocketkangaroo · 10-07-2006, 06:38 PM

I don't see this as ruining the internet. This is an issue with frivolous lawsuits, not the Internet. It's just reached the Internet now.

I also don't see what you want stopped? Defamation online is rampant and if someone calls you a pedophile with no proof, you have every right to sue for damages. Would you like the internet to be a place where you can post whatever lies you want without reprucussions?

squishypimp · 10-07-2006, 06:52 PM

the us is just doing more policing of the net nowadays. i think that mainstream businesses will flourish but the not so mainstream places will not. just wait as more and more legislation gets put into place.

RawAlex · 10-07-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i find myself agreeing with you all the time recently. i am starting to fear its a sign of the apacolypse

It is a full moon, but there isn't two of them.

Alex

Webby · 10-07-2006, 08:04 PM

Mmmm.... any "authority" which has control of the net will, in one way or other, screw it up - that can be the US government or the UN. It may be fine for the UN to have a democratic "net governance" committee for a while, but once they get their teeth into the net, hell knows what crazy shit may evolve.

Pressure is back on to remove the net from the control of ICANN and this will happen, prob sooner than later. Other nations are objecting to the lack of democratic "management" of the net and control over their own TLD's blah.

Who knows.. it may actually be good for some countries - as long as they stay on the admin/domain side of net governance, but with others, they will prob screw it to shit and back. That is likely to come for "industrialized" countries first - they have nothing better to do than make local laws about shit.

marketsmart · 10-07-2006, 08:07 PM

thats for the link, it was an interesting read...

pocketkangaroo · 10-07-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

Mmmm.... any "authority" which has control of the net will, in one way or other, screw it up - that can be the US government or the UN. It may be fine for the UN to have a democratic "net governance" committee for a while, but once they get their teeth into the net, hell knows what crazy shit may evolve.

Pressure is back on to remove the net from the control of ICANN and this will happen, prob sooner than later. Other nations are objecting to the lack of democratic "management" of the net and control over their own TLD's blah.

Who knows.. it may actually be good for some countries - as long as they stay on the admin/domain side of net governance, but with others, they will prob screw it to shit and back. That is likely to come for "industrialized" countries first - they have nothing better to do than make local laws about shit.

I don't think the US will lose control over the net anytime soon. They are in a pretty good position and other countries have zero leverage.

MaddCaz · 10-07-2006, 08:11 PM

Useless?? Errr....

12clicks · 10-07-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xanx

Conservative legislation, lawsuits, two tier system, etc.. The US is going to be the Virus that eventually ruins the net. My latest rant comes from

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=17511

damn, looks like internet scum can now be held responsible for lying about businesses.

10-07-2006, 05:28 PM	#2
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10-07-2006, 05:30 PM	#4
scottybuzz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: NY Posts: 14,799	ouch fucking hell! america has already ruined food and the english langauge though. no need to worry. oh no! now I may be sued for defamatory against america!!! __________________ $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

10-07-2006, 05:35 PM	#7
Solid Bob Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Easy Webcam Pro Posts: 1,213	“Some court have said sites can remove copyrighted material and child porn without fear of incurring liability akin to that of a media source — that’s an area of the law that is changing,” Obenberger said. “But the minute a site like GFY starts editing out postings for defamation, it opens itself up to liability if it misses a defamatory post.” I tried to tell board owners this before and they laughed at me. __________________ [email protected]

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10-07-2006, 06:21 PM	#33
Missie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 372	A girlfriend called me recently to go watch TV right away. She knows I work online and I often post in forums. It was on Dr. Phil of all shows. It was about some site for women to talk about their ex and vent. Many posted pictures of their ex and bashed them. The female forum OWNER was being sued by some guy for something that a poster (one of his ex) had said about him. The suit was on the basis that she (forum OWNER) had control to delete posts that were "inappropriate". Those that were left without being edited or deleted, damaged his reputation if anyone ever did a search for his name and it affected his career. Both sides made good arguments but it sounded like Dr. Phil and the audience were cheering more for the guy than the forum owner. The vast majority of the audience are women, so go figure... It was still ongoing so I have no idea what will happen. Missie __________________ Looking for a clean sponsor that won't steal from you?check them out here!

10-07-2006, 05:28 PM	#3
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	why should you be able to make defamatory statements online if you can't offline? or can you read?

10-07-2006, 05:34 PM	#6
Dirty Dane Sick Fuck Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: www Posts: 9,491	How does that ruin internet?

10-07-2006, 05:40 PM	#10
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I also think its not the us its the lawyers they smell blood in the water lol Calling someone a thief does hurt their rep and shouldnt be said unless able to back it up.

10-07-2006, 05:57 PM	#19
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I see it now a new market forum liability insurance, man some one could get rich with that lol

10-07-2006, 06:10 PM	#25
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	What is this eventually stuff? They already have. What will happen is the internet will decentralize, and there will be many internets... all seperate from eachother and probably with few if any crossover links. Which, honestly, might be for the better. Too many things depend on it to get rid of it completely, but its going to split apart soon. The writing is on the wall.

10-07-2006, 06:15 PM	#28
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	You shouldn't have more protection because you are behind a keyboard rather than face to face. I have seen no end of miserable fucks that will post all sorts of shit on the boards, and then they are all smiles and chuckles at conventions and buying you a beer. It is clear from this judgement that stuff is actionable. There are some people out there that need to wise up. Alex

10-07-2006, 06:17 PM	#29
Lazonby Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,262	If you think that the US is going to ruin the internet, then you haven't been paying attention. The alternative is that the UN runs it, and they have already said that they want to censor it to buggery (ie. you won't be able to criticise left wing or Muslim leaders, etc).

10-07-2006, 06:18 PM	#30
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I think alot less bullshit happens on boards where you have to use your real name. People arent as brave when not hiding behind a nick.

10-07-2006, 06:19 PM	#31
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Agree with your orginal post Xanx. After reading the article referenced it occurs to me that since GFY DOES limit some speech by banning those that make accusations like shaving without proof, may be setting them selves up to be in-line of suit!! So the point: Is GFY accepting responsibility for all that is said on the board now? That seems to be the direction of the law per the article.

10-07-2006, 06:21 PM	#35
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	The UN can't run a pay toilet. Last edited by pussyluver; 10-07-2006 at 06:22 PM..

10-07-2006, 06:23 PM	#38
Martin3 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,529	I support that law, but the judgement in that case($11.3 million) is fucking ridiculous. __________________ 264-543-302

10-07-2006, 06:26 PM	#39
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	GFY would be kinda boring if this takes hold. The drama would really fall off. I think you see the board changing now with some being more cerful about what and how they say what they post.

10-07-2006, 06:29 PM	#42
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Your a local TV station in Salina KS. Population whatever (small) network feeds something raw and you get a $325K fine. More than the budget for several months...

10-07-2006, 06:38 PM	#43
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I don't see this as ruining the internet. This is an issue with frivolous lawsuits, not the Internet. It's just reached the Internet now. I also don't see what you want stopped? Defamation online is rampant and if someone calls you a pedophile with no proof, you have every right to sue for damages. Would you like the internet to be a place where you can post whatever lies you want without reprucussions?

10-07-2006, 06:52 PM	#44
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	the us is just doing more policing of the net nowadays. i think that mainstream businesses will flourish but the not so mainstream places will not. just wait as more and more legislation gets put into place. __________________ Signature For Sale

10-07-2006, 08:04 PM	#46
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Mmmm.... any "authority" which has control of the net will, in one way or other, screw it up - that can be the US government or the UN. It may be fine for the UN to have a democratic "net governance" committee for a while, but once they get their teeth into the net, hell knows what crazy shit may evolve. Pressure is back on to remove the net from the control of ICANN and this will happen, prob sooner than later. Other nations are objecting to the lack of democratic "management" of the net and control over their own TLD's blah. Who knows.. it may actually be good for some countries - as long as they stay on the admin/domain side of net governance, but with others, they will prob screw it to shit and back. That is likely to come for "industrialized" countries first - they have nothing better to do than make local laws about shit. __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

10-07-2006, 08:07 PM	#47
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	thats for the link, it was an interesting read...

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