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10-05-2006, 03:08 PM

Hey WILL76, someone just asked me this on ICQ.

"totally someone should ask will76 what his beloved ifriends policy is on it where is theyere terms and conditions ?? they prolly were the biggest users of this kind of traffic ever"

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10-05-2006, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Missie

Come on already... we're not talking about every trade made on this board every day. DH says that he ONLY sells to company that do "legitimate legal installs". How would he know that if he doesn't research them first? He just takes their word for it?

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No, you're right. He should have just known the full intentions and complete background history complete with great grandparents family trees and complete credit history based on a one sentance opening post.

Shame on him for extending an invitation to find out more.

For Shame!!

I mean, the guy's nickname was "EEE"... what more do you need!?!?

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10-05-2006, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Missie

You're 100% scum.

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And you're an absolute....

Nobody.

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10-05-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by StuartD

No, you're right. He should have just known the full intentions and complete background history complete with great grandparents family trees and complete credit history based on a one sentance opening post.

Shame on him for extending an invitation to find out more.

For Shame!!

I mean, the guy's nickname was "EEE"... what more do you need!?!?

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10-05-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Yep we sell traffic to companies that do legitimate LEGAL installs.

If you don't like that, then take your business somewhere else..

DH

So far Zango is technically " Legal" would you sell traffic to someone if they want to push zango installs ????????

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10-05-2006, 03:11 PM

ok offtopic. having problem with our fucking PC it has tons of popups/spyware etc etc aning popping up on the taskbar. anyone can lead me to a good site to clean this bullshite? actually want to shoot someone becuase of these stupid warning popups..

anyway im using mac as well.. i don;t think mac is vulnerable with these low life bullshite installers!!

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10-05-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by WDjay

Seriously folks.....DH and the crew are some of the most solid people in this business. Not everyone can earn the big money (LOL) selling thier sigs....some of us are actualy out thier making REAL MONEY ON THE INTERNET. I know that if all the webmasters on this board could make 7 figures pushing legit , leagal installs....they would turn it down in 2 seconds flat to keep sitting in a basement somewhere building galls and bitching about the same sponsors and large companies that they so gladly pick scraps from. If you dont like the way the world works...start a real company.....get in the game.....change the rules. Till then, just sit tight and keep complaining about your 3 join check being a day late. That is all.

You're the last person to talk about ethics with your ransomware program thats now been shut down.

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10-05-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

And you're an absolute....

Nobody.

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Still better than an absolute scum.

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10-05-2006, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

It has been no secret, we have always offered traffic from P2PADS for legitimate legal installs. We don't deal with spyware or any companies that installs seem grey or don't have visible terms of service... Or any companies that do silent installs.

I have never denied it, I have no problem with it personally as long it is legal and isn't fucking up people's machines.

DH

SO then..... which companies meet that criteria, which ones do you use? please do tell.

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10-05-2006, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

BTW just sent to me from another big install guy who read this thread

"go back to mommy's basment....build another nastydollars gallery.....and leave the real business to to the rest of us"

LOL! Sorry but I thought it was kind of funny ;)

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Too bad your "big install" friend is too chicken shit to post himself. I guess birds of a feather .... you know how it goes..

and if that comment go build a nother nasty dollars gallery is for me, lol we all know that I don't make any money here i am just a surfer

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10-05-2006, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by will76

SO then..... which companies meet that criteria, which ones do you use? please do tell.

I've been asking him that since yesterday but all he does is dance around the question and tries to go on the offense. I think he's trying to protect his "legitimate legal partners".

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10-05-2006, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by will76

So far Zango is technically " Legal" would you sell traffic to someone if they want to push zango installs ????????

We don't sell traffic to Zango.

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10-05-2006, 03:19 PM

I find it amusing that porn site owners really hate that they get lumped in with popup hell sites and virus installing porn sites... that because some are scum, we all get lumped in and lose out on tons of business because of those low lifes who made people think that all are scum and not accept that some sites really are ok to visit.

And yet.... these same people who hate that so adamently refuse to believe that anything can ever be installed without there being spyware or trojans included. They're so blinded by the hate, that they refuse to believe there's a single piece of software out there that is actually legal... that actually has an "I accept" button... that might not be designed just to cause harm.

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10-05-2006, 03:19 PM

those install companies you sell traffic to, is it a one-program install or are they bundlers?

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10-05-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

We don't sell traffic to Zango.

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Do you buy it from them then?

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10-05-2006, 03:21 PM

Ok guys, I am out for a little while...

I am going to run down to the library and try and install some more copies of spyware on their computers so I can make another $1.00 an install.

Wish me luck!!

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10-05-2006, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by WDjay

Seriously folks.....DH and the crew are some of the most solid people in this business. Not everyone can earn the big money (LOL) selling thier sigs....some of us are actualy out thier making REAL MONEY ON THE INTERNET. I know that if all the webmasters on this board could make 7 figures pushing legit , leagal installs....they would turn it down in 2 seconds flat to keep sitting in a basement somewhere building galls and bitching about the same sponsors and large companies that they so gladly pick scraps from. If you dont like the way the world works...start a real company.....get in the game.....change the rules. Till then, just sit tight and keep complaining about your 3 join check being a day late. That is all.

I have never done one install or email join in my life and i sent over 18,000 signups to clickcash alone last year.

Nice justification, because you make money doing it, it is ok to do it ? If all adultwebmasters could sling drugs on the corner I am sure they would turn that down and sit in the basement making galleries instead?

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10-05-2006, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by lazycash

You're the last person to talk about ethics with your ransomware program thats now been shut down.

Shut down? Interesting. Im curious how you came to that? We are doing better than ever. LOL. I dont mean to laugh, but I was just looking at how much money we've made since I started typing. Anyway. Thanks for your thoughts.
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10-05-2006, 03:25 PM

Can someone summarize this for me... GTS sells traffic to the guys who hijack the affiliate code of the WMs that are also buying traffic from GTS?
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10-05-2006, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by StuartD

I find it amusing that porn site owners really hate that they get lumped in with popup hell sites and virus installing porn sites... that because some are scum, we all get lumped in and lose out on tons of business because of those low lifes who made people think that all are scum and not accept that some sites really are ok to visit.

And yet.... these same people who hate that so adamently refuse to believe that anything can ever be installed without there being spyware or trojans included. They're so blinded by the hate, that they refuse to believe there's a single piece of software out there that is actually legal... that actually has an "I accept" button... that might not be designed just to cause harm.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that.

I'm not blind when it comes to spyware, but many others here obviously are.

And just because it has an "I accept" button doesn't make it right or legal. Most people don't have a clue what spyware is, they just realize something is wrong when their computer no longer functions or they're stuck in popup hell.

A lot of this stuff is targeted to kids and teenagers too... Does that make it ok if a 13 yr old who doesn't know any better clicks on "I accept" because he wants to play a game? Do you really think that people read pages and pages of TOS to see what they're getting? There's a reason that these companies make the text font really small, or have several pages of TOS, because they know damn well that people won't take the time to read it.

Surfers have some liability in all of this, but adware companies exploit the internet as much as they can.

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10-05-2006, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by StuartD

I find it amusing that porn site owners really hate that they get lumped in with popup hell sites and virus installing porn sites... that because some are scum, we all get lumped in and lose out on tons of business because of those low lifes who made people think that all are scum and not accept that some sites really are ok to visit.

And yet.... these same people who hate that so adamently refuse to believe that anything can ever be installed without there being spyware or trojans included. They're so blinded by the hate, that they refuse to believe there's a single piece of software out there that is actually legal... that actually has an "I accept" button... that might not be designed just to cause harm.

oooooh come on perlease!!!

We all know files are getting more compressed and small from sites like yahoo, but yet when you download the same product you have had since 1999, the files downloaded seem to get bigger in MB! Strangly the amount of shit they are lumping on. Yahoo toolbars, homepage etc Ok, they may be legal, but you still get so much shit. If your a busy body like me and dont read everything u often install everything. And I aint the dumbest surfer around

This is done 10x worse than companies who aint yahoo etc.

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10-05-2006, 03:29 PM

[QUOTE=will76]I have never done one install or email join in my life and i sent over 18,000 signups to clickcash alone last year.

Nice justification, because you make money doing it, it is ok to do it ? If all adultwebmasters could sling drugs on the corner I am sure they would turn that down and sit in the basement making galleries instead?

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10-05-2006, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Tempest

Can someone summarize this for me... GTS sells traffic to the guys who hijack the affiliate code of the WMs that are also buying traffic from GTS?

DH through P2PADS either does installs himself or sells traffic to people who do installs (or both) and claims he only fools with " legal " install companies.

And basically has an attitude fuck you thats what we do, we will do anything legal.

Well technically Zango is legal, so it is very likely that the installs he works with is fucking everyone of us here as well as his other p2p clients that he sells traffic to.

he also will not post the names of the installs he does business for. It most be something reputable like google toolbars, yeah i bet thats it.

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10-05-2006, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by StuartD

I find it amusing that porn site owners really hate that they get lumped in with popup hell sites and virus installing porn sites... that because some are scum, we all get lumped in and lose out on tons of business because of those low lifes who made people think that all are scum and not accept that some sites really are ok to visit.

And yet.... these same people who hate that so adamently refuse to believe that anything can ever be installed without there being spyware or trojans included. They're so blinded by the hate, that they refuse to believe there's a single piece of software out there that is actually legal... that actually has an "I accept" button... that might not be designed just to cause harm.

You always play this "voice of reason" role and you are dead wrong. If DH listed 5 companies he does installs for I would bet 4 of them do the shit discussed in this thread. Probably the entire 5 though.

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10-05-2006, 03:30 PM

[QUOTE=WDjay]

Originally posted by will76

I have never done one install or email join in my life and i sent over 18,000 signups to clickcash alone last year.

Nice justification, because you make money doing it, it is ok to do it ? If all adultwebmasters could sling drugs on the corner I am sure they would turn that down and sit in the basement making galleries instead?

moron

We do nothing wrong or illegal. If you dont like the laws....change . Don't bitch to me. I don't make the rules....just play the game.

so you are ok with a "legal" installers like zango that over writes the rest of our affiliate codes ?

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10-05-2006, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Ok guys, I am out for a little while...

I am going to run down to the library and try and install some more copies of spyware on their computers so I can make another $1.00 an install.

Wish me luck!!

DH

ROFL

I knew he wouldn't answer the question and name the companies.

What a joke!

He probably went to the library to do a little research of his own. One can only hope.

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10-05-2006, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Another message from another adware guy (who also is another big poster on this board coincedently)

"hehehehe, i love these holier than thou webmasters pushing porn trying to tell people how what you're doing is wrong, booo hoo...."

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are these imaginary friends or just chicken shit people too scared to post themselves ???????????

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10-05-2006, 03:34 PM

[QUOTE=will76]

Originally posted by WDjay

so you are ok with a "legal" installers like zango that over writes the rest of our affiliate codes ?

I need to be consitant. I am NOT in favor of them and do not push or promote them, but if they are legal...they are legal. If they were hurting my business I wold work hard with my local lawmakers to push the issue. I recomend you do the same. Bitching and whining on GFY wont make them go away. walk the walk.
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10-05-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by WDjay

We do nothing wrong or illegal

I seem to remember that you and your ransomware being in 2 legal battles about this... So why don't you STFU slimeball.
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10-05-2006, 03:36 PM

Spyware just hurts this business and makes the hardware business more profitable...
Anybody dealing with this stuff will get consequences (business wise...) one way or another. What goes arround comes arround...

Originally posted by rayadp05

I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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10-05-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Tempest

I seem to remember that you and your ransomware being in 2 legal battles about this... So why don't you STFU slimeball.

If you followed up you would know (and post) how those issues are going. My guess is you'll continue to hate. OK by me. I have a funny feeling our business will continue to thrive even without your approval, but thats just a guess.
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10-05-2006, 03:38 PM

[QUOTE=WDjay]

Originally posted by will76

I need to be consitant. I am NOT in favor of them and do not push or promote them, but if they are legal...they are legal. If they were hurting my business I wold work hard with my local lawmakers to push the issue. I recomend you do the same. Bitching and whining on GFY wont make them go away. walk the walk.

There is more then 1 way to skin a cat. Legislation is one way. another which I am doing here is educating those basement tgp making webmasters as you put it, so they will hold companies who associate with installs accountable. I think are underestimating that if enough affiliates are pissed about this, sponsors will shy away from it. If enough people who buy traffic see it as a conflict of instrest they will go to someone else for traffic...

more then 1 way to accomplish the same goal.

everytime you post you are pissing more and more people off and helping my cause.

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10-05-2006, 03:38 PM

Bitching and whining on GFY wont make them go away. walk the walk.

That's not true. It's being exposed publicly and having a lot of pressure put on them that helps us all. Affiliates in mainstream have to be given a lot of credit for this fight. All the bitching on ABW (a mainstream affiliate forum) a few years back has helped tremendously. If it wasn't made public in affiliate forums, if we didn't discuss this with companies we all deal with on a daily basis, if we didn't educate sponsors/merchants/affiliate managers on spyware issues, this problem would be a hell of a lot worse.

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10-05-2006, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Missie

That's not true. It's being exposed publicly and having a lot of pressure put on them that helps us all. Affiliates in mainstream have to be given a lot of credit for this fight. All the bitching on ABW (a mainstream affiliate forum) a few years back has helped tremendously. If it wasn't made public in affiliate forums, if we didn't discuss this with companies we all deal with on a daily basis, if we didn't educate sponsors/merchants/affiliate managers on spyware issues, this problem would be a hell of a lot worse.

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I agree with you. I was wrong. What I meant was that if it is truly hurting your business there are REAL measures you can take to make REAL change. Talking about an issue is good, but what most of the people here do is bitch and cry and nothing more. No follow up. Next drama and all is forgotten. Find an issue....stick with it. Make a change. People here start a conversation , but rarley finish one.
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10-05-2006, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by TampaToker

So what are the names of the companys you deal with then?

asked about 10x already, not even acknowledged by him.

Doubt it will be answered, he can't even go pick 5 legit ones even if he used them or not. Except google and yahoo tool bars, I am sure they are buying traffic from him.

We will just have to take the " fuck you if it's legal i am doing it", installers word for it.

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10-05-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Missie

Legitimate companies don't buy traffic to install their programs.

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10-05-2006, 03:51 PM

Goddamn, I go for a quick bath and this thread has 86 replies??? Good job Im not a sigwhore out for exposure I guess.
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10-05-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Hey WILL76, someone just asked me this on ICQ.

"totally someone should ask will76 what his beloved ifriends policy is on it where is theyere terms and conditions ?? they prolly were the biggest users of this kind of traffic ever"

Care to comment

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When i get a job as the official spokesman for ifriends i will make public statements on their behalf. I am not even a paid employee so I will not venture to guess what they do and don't do behind closed doors, that I would know nothing about. Why don't you tell me, you know a lot more about installs then i do.

I can tell you i am working closely with them about this and if they don't ban accounts over it and allow it to happen I will send my traffic else where. I will not support a company that allows people to hijack my hard earned sales and get away with it.

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10-05-2006, 03:53 PM

[QUOTE=will76]

Originally posted by WDjay

There is more then 1 way to skin a cat. Legislation is one way. another which I am doing here is educating those basement tgp making webmasters as you put it, so they will hold companies who associate with installs accountable. I think are underestimating that if enough affiliates are pissed about this, sponsors will shy away from it. If enough people who buy traffic see it as a conflict of instrest they will go to someone else for traffic...

more then 1 way to accomplish the same goal.

everytime you post you are pissing more and more people off and helping my cause.

thank you.

You have a point. I am not someone who can't see both sides of an issue. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I could make a STRONG case against many of the practices in this industry (and others) Everyone has the right to thier opinion and all opinions should be respected.
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10-05-2006, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by StuartD

No, you're right. He should have just known the full intentions and complete background history complete with great grandparents family trees and complete credit history based on a one sentance opening post.

Shame on him for extending an invitation to find out more.

For Shame!!

I mean, the guy's nickname was "EEE"... what more do you need!?!?

Hey staurt, how hard is it to google a fucking name ? takes 10 seconds. come on man, credit histories, family tree. you the one starting to sound insaine here.

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10-05-2006, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by tenderobject

ok offtopic. having problem with our fucking PC it has tons of popups/spyware etc etc aning popping up on the taskbar. anyone can lead me to a good site to clean this bullshite? actually want to shoot someone becuase of these stupid warning popups..

anyway im using mac as well.. i don;t think mac is vulnerable with these low life bullshite installers!!

Why don't you ask DH, he seems to work both sides of the fence. Maybe he is also an affiliate for software that can clean up spyware as well he might have somethign he can recommend for you.

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10-05-2006, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

We don't sell traffic to Zango.

DH

is this like a technicality and you really sell it to 180solutions lol.

or do you sell traffic to anyone that does zango installs.

Why not sell it to zango, they are legal right, and legality seems to be your only criteria to do business with someone.

so you don't do business with them, who do you do business with then ?

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10-05-2006, 04:02 PM

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Shut down? Interesting. Im curious how you came to that? We are doing better than ever. LOL. I dont mean to laugh, but I was just looking at how much money we've made since I started typing. Anyway. Thanks for your thoughts.

http://www.webmastersdirect.com Did you take the program underground and remove your site? Also, we sure do miss your fake nick DJ slave to rock n roll.

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10-05-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

It has been no secret, we have always offered traffic from P2PADS for legitimate legal installs. We don't deal with spyware or any companies that installs seem grey or don't have visible terms of service... Or any companies that do silent installs.

I have never denied it, I have no problem with it personally as long it is legal and isn't fucking up people's machines.

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how can you be completely sure that it doesnt fuck up other peoples installs if they put a block on say 'Ontario' ip's so you never see the real truth...

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10-05-2006, 04:07 PM

Adware is not the same thing as spyware.

That's all I'm going to say.

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10-05-2006, 04:08 PM

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http://www.webmastersdirect.com Did you take the program underground and remove your site?

Nope. Pulled the program and moved strictly to purchasing traffic. Same thing we were doing LONG before the webmaster pay-per-download program was launched. It made up such a small % of our business and was taking to much time and to many man hours to update and maintain. We are buying more traffic than ever. It was strictly a business decision. We would rather deal with the macro vs. the micro. Sorry, no drama.
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10-05-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by WDjay

Find an issue....stick with it. .

that's what i plan on doing.... time will show. don't worry. I got a real hard'on for this. And i am going to keep cranking up the fire till some changes are made.

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10-05-2006, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by WDjay

Nope. Pulled the program and moved strictly to purchasing traffic. Same thing we were doing LONG before the webmaster pay-per-download program was launched. It made up such a small % of our business and was taking to much time and to many man hours to update and maintain. We are buying more traffic than ever. It was strictly a business decision. We would rather deal with the macro vs. the micro. Sorry, no drama.

So I was correct in saying that your pay per download program is dead and I'm sure your going to contend that shutting it down had nothing to do with the legal situations you were in because of it.

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10-05-2006, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by tranza

Adware is not the same thing as spyware.

That's all I'm going to say.

In theory, that's true. But the term spyware has become the term of choice when talking about adware/malware/keylogger, etc. Kinda like saying kleenex instead of tissue.

Many adware are also spyware and many spyware are also adware. But I'm sure you understand this conversation and in what context the term spyware is being used. If it steals from me and reports every website I look at, then it's spying on me and it's spyware.

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