Do you still worry about 800x600 users? - GoFuckYourself.com

MetaMan · 10-04-2006, 12:25 PM

simple question, i see alot of people including us moving into wider layouts and worrying less about 800x600 resolutions.

Ice · 10-04-2006, 12:30 PM

From my stats around 16% use 800x600, about 60% are 1024x768, about 20% are higher then 1024x768, and 4% unknown.

After Shock Media · 10-04-2006, 12:31 PM

Yes I still consider them. Just like I still consider the dial up users. Ignoring them would be bad business in my mind. Lots of people do not upgrade often. Nor do many change settings much on their computers and often if they do they change them to what they were used to.

fallenmuffin · 10-04-2006, 12:32 PM

No, I always stay within a 770px or less table or design wrap

MetaMan · 10-04-2006, 12:34 PM

We used to do within 780px, now we are moving upto 850px. I think the extra width the ability to display extra content will make up for the loss of some 800x600 users.

After Shock Media · 10-04-2006, 12:36 PM

btw. I am still tracking right around 20% at 800x600.

dissipate · 10-04-2006, 12:39 PM

I don't worry too much about 800x600 users, but I still try to stay under 900px wide.

k0nr4d · 10-04-2006, 12:42 PM

800x600 still holds a huge market share. I make all sites 780 px. The scrollbar is exactly 17px wide, so you could get away with 783 really...

BigCashCrew · 10-04-2006, 12:44 PM

Yes, I still keep 800x600 in mind when having pages built.

spasmo · 10-04-2006, 12:46 PM

I design for 1024x768. It's the new 800x600.

bdld · 10-04-2006, 12:49 PM

99% of the time, i dont build anything wider than 800px

Tuga · 10-04-2006, 12:53 PM

I am starting to let them go, if we dont push it, they wont change.

When they start feeling that something is wrong, they will change the settings to 1024.

A-Bomb · 10-04-2006, 12:57 PM

My TGP and pay sites browser stats sit at 16.5% 800x600. w3schools stats (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp) say that for this January 20% were at 800x600 and 17% was for July. With new computer sales in December, my guess is we will be sitting 13% or 14% come January 2007.

I think if any resolutions are running in double digit ranges, you should worry. Think about it. If you are running 780px tables, your are pissing off 17% of your potential customers running 800x600. Whatever your normal conversion rate is, there are that may sales buried in that 17%. Now take that group and subtract the amount of people that don't buy because of the resolution issue.... which my guess is the majority of them. So can you afford to lose these sales?

Also on the flip side, if you reformat to cater to this 800x600 minority, what revenue would you be losing in higher resolution subscription sales and cross promotional realestate?

bl4h · 10-04-2006, 12:58 PM

14% of my traffic is 800x600 ....ill stop worrying when its less than 1%

A-Bomb · 10-04-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by A-Bomb

My TGP and pay sites browser stats sit at 16.5% 800x600. w3schools stats (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp) say that for this January 20% were at 800x600 and 17% was for July. With new computer sales in December, my guess is we will be sitting 13% or 14% come January 2007.

I think if any resolutions are running in double digit ranges, you should worry. Think about it. If you are running 780px tables, your are pissing off 17% of your potential customers running 800x600. Whatever your normal conversion rate is, there are that may sales buried in that 17%. Now take that group and subtract the amount of people that don't buy because of the resolution issue.... which my guess is the majority of them. So can you afford to lose these sales?

Also on the flip side, if you reformat to cater to this 800x600 minority, what revenue would you be losing in higher resolution subscription sales and cross promotional realestate?

sorry, I meant greater than 800px!

jact · 10-04-2006, 01:03 PM

I'll stop worrying about them when the % is under 5%, until then I need to make sure they're covered.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-04-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Yes I still consider them. Just like I still consider the dial up users. Ignoring them would be bad business in my mind. Lots of people do not upgrade often. Nor do many change settings much on their computers and often if they do they change them to what they were used to.

Same here.....

You must be able to reach as many people as you can...

People with flash sites would be smart to have a 56k version to, which not many do.....

now if you are real good with your tables you can make the page fit there screen perfect, but I never try to do that.....

Project-Shadow · 10-04-2006, 04:17 PM

I figure the people still on 800x600 are newer to the internet and computers.. therefore are easier sells. Once that number drops to <5% I'll no longer worry but for now i'm still trying to squeeze the last of those sales.

Elli · 10-04-2006, 04:58 PM

Nothing wider than 800 layout or design wise, but my photos are now 1024 on the long side as a general rule.

squishypimp · 10-04-2006, 04:59 PM

a large amount of internet users are still using it, so yes.

SmokeyTheBear · 10-04-2006, 05:02 PM

more users using 800x600 than firefox so if you plan around firefox u should be planning around 800x600

marketsmart · 10-04-2006, 05:04 PM

you should keep with that until it drops below 10%

Gillespie · 10-04-2006, 05:11 PM

The real question is how do these 800x600 convert. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they're using a 14" 800x600 old piece of crap, chances are that they don't have the money to buy anything and are probably just burning up bandwidth.

My traffic is 12% 800x600. The vast majority uses XP and 1024x768, which is exactly the minimum I'm shooting for. Also, Analytics reports that only 8% uses dialup. This is the reason I build TGPs 750 pixels wide and use big thumbnails.

So yeah, the real question is how much is 800x600 traffic willing to spend...

PlugRush Sascha · 10-04-2006, 05:23 PM

No. Maybe I should, but I don't.

karlcore · 10-04-2006, 05:26 PM

I do, because I'm in no position NOT to worry about them. If their money is green, I'm concerned.

TimBlaze · 10-04-2006, 05:34 PM

i consider them

MetaMan · 10-04-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gillespie

The real question is how do these 800x600 convert. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they're using a 14" 800x600 old piece of crap, chances are that they don't have the money to buy anything and are probably just burning up bandwidth.

My traffic is 12% 800x600. The vast majority uses XP and 1024x768, which is exactly the minimum I'm shooting for. Also, Analytics reports that only 8% uses dialup. This is the reason I build TGPs 750 pixels wide and use big thumbnails.

So yeah, the real question is how much is 800x600 traffic willing to spend...

This is exactly the part i was thinking about, anyone with a half decent new monitor uses a resolution above 800x600 (there are cases but i am just saying)

If content is king then why not use that extra space to display more content that can reach the majority of your resolution users? (ie 1024x768)

At the same time money is green for everyone you could also be losing money due to the fact of wasted space.

That is the exact reason why we are moving forward and away from 800x600 layouts.

Gillespie · 10-04-2006, 05:40 PM

Money is green, we can agree on that. However, pastures seem to be greener if you use the extra space to plug in more stuff.

I use a 1440x900 laptop screen. There really is nothing more annoying than to browse a site that is still optimized for less than 800x600.

Take this, for example: http://www.forummonkeys.com/forums/index.php

That thing uses like a third of my screen. It's just not practical at all, and I've seen several porn blogs using that table width.

emthree · 10-04-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gillespie

Money is green, we can agree on that. However, pastures seem to be greener if you use the extra space to plug in more stuff.

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nico-t · 10-04-2006, 06:42 PM

yea, kinda... not all my sites though

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10-04-2006, 12:25 PM	#1
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	Do you still worry about 800x600 users? simple question, i see alot of people including us moving into wider layouts and worrying less about 800x600 resolutions.

10-04-2006, 12:30 PM	#2
Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	From my stats around 16% use 800x600, about 60% are 1024x768, about 20% are higher then 1024x768, and 4% unknown. __________________ icq 1904905

10-04-2006, 12:31 PM	#3
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	Yes I still consider them. Just like I still consider the dial up users. Ignoring them would be bad business in my mind. Lots of people do not upgrade often. Nor do many change settings much on their computers and often if they do they change them to what they were used to. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

10-04-2006, 12:36 PM	#6
After Shock Media It's coming look busy Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn". Posts: 35,299	btw. I am still tracking right around 20% at 800x600. __________________ [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

10-04-2006, 12:32 PM	#4
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	No, I always stay within a 770px or less table or design wrap

10-04-2006, 12:34 PM	#5
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	We used to do within 780px, now we are moving upto 850px. I think the extra width the ability to display extra content will make up for the loss of some 800x600 users.

10-04-2006, 12:39 PM	#7
dissipate The Dirty Frenchman Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lost Angeles Posts: 8,904	I don't worry too much about 800x600 users, but I still try to stay under 900px wide.

10-04-2006, 12:42 PM	#8
k0nr4d Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 9,231	800x600 still holds a huge market share. I make all sites 780 px. The scrollbar is exactly 17px wide, so you could get away with 783 really... __________________ Mechanical Bunny Media Mechbunny Tube Script \| Mechbunny Webcam Aggregator Script \| Custom Web Development

10-04-2006, 12:44 PM	#9
BigCashCrew Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,570	Yes, I still keep 800x600 in mind when having pages built.

10-04-2006, 12:46 PM	#10
spasmo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Couch Posts: 2,678	I design for 1024x768. It's the new 800x600. __________________ Surfers: Go here for hot babes.

10-04-2006, 12:49 PM	#11
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	99% of the time, i dont build anything wider than 800px

10-04-2006, 12:53 PM	#12
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10-04-2006, 12:57 PM	#13
A-Bomb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 1 of 3 holes Posts: 680	My TGP and pay sites browser stats sit at 16.5% 800x600. w3schools stats (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp) say that for this January 20% were at 800x600 and 17% was for July. With new computer sales in December, my guess is we will be sitting 13% or 14% come January 2007. I think if any resolutions are running in double digit ranges, you should worry. Think about it. If you are running 780px tables, your are pissing off 17% of your potential customers running 800x600. Whatever your normal conversion rate is, there are that may sales buried in that 17%. Now take that group and subtract the amount of people that don't buy because of the resolution issue.... which my guess is the majority of them. So can you afford to lose these sales? Also on the flip side, if you reformat to cater to this 800x600 minority, what revenue would you be losing in higher resolution subscription sales and cross promotional realestate?

10-04-2006, 12:58 PM	#14
bl4h Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,282	14% of my traffic is 800x600 ....ill stop worrying when its less than 1%

10-04-2006, 01:03 PM	#16
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	I'll stop worrying about them when the % is under 5%, until then I need to make sure they're covered. __________________ Free agent

10-04-2006, 04:17 PM	#18
Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	I figure the people still on 800x600 are newer to the internet and computers.. therefore are easier sells. Once that number drops to <5% I'll no longer worry but for now i'm still trying to squeeze the last of those sales.

10-04-2006, 04:58 PM	#19
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Nothing wider than 800 layout or design wise, but my photos are now 1024 on the long side as a general rule. __________________ email: [email protected]

10-04-2006, 04:59 PM	#20
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	a large amount of internet users are still using it, so yes. __________________ Signature For Sale

10-04-2006, 05:02 PM	#21
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	more users using 800x600 than firefox so if you plan around firefox u should be planning around 800x600 __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

10-04-2006, 05:04 PM	#22
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	you should keep with that until it drops below 10%

10-04-2006, 05:11 PM	#23
Gillespie Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montevideo Posts: 1,391	The real question is how do these 800x600 convert. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if they're using a 14" 800x600 old piece of crap, chances are that they don't have the money to buy anything and are probably just burning up bandwidth. My traffic is 12% 800x600. The vast majority uses XP and 1024x768, which is exactly the minimum I'm shooting for. Also, Analytics reports that only 8% uses dialup. This is the reason I build TGPs 750 pixels wide and use big thumbnails. So yeah, the real question is how much is 800x600 traffic willing to spend... __________________ Blue Design Studios My choice for web design. Click this to see why. Get a REAL host. Try JaguarPC. 294-659-259

10-04-2006, 05:23 PM	#24
PlugRush Sascha Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 2,772	No. Maybe I should, but I don't. __________________ Plugrush - Push ads, native ads, banners & pops. Buy & sell adult and mainstream traffic. Skype plugrushsascha

10-04-2006, 05:26 PM	#25
karlcore Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: www.derangedworld.net Posts: 134	I do, because I'm in no position NOT to worry about them. If their money is green, I'm concerned.

10-04-2006, 05:34 PM	#26
TimBlaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,625	i consider them __________________ Roll that shit, light that shit,

10-04-2006, 05:40 PM	#28
Gillespie Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montevideo Posts: 1,391	Money is green, we can agree on that. However, pastures seem to be greener if you use the extra space to plug in more stuff. I use a 1440x900 laptop screen. There really is nothing more annoying than to browse a site that is still optimized for less than 800x600. Take this, for example: http://www.forummonkeys.com/forums/index.php That thing uses like a third of my screen. It's just not practical at all, and I've seen several porn blogs using that table width. __________________ Blue Design Studios My choice for web design. Click this to see why. Get a REAL host. Try JaguarPC. 294-659-259 Last edited by Gillespie; 10-04-2006 at 05:42 PM..

10-04-2006, 05:48 PM	#30
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10-04-2006, 06:42 PM	#31
nico-t emperor of my world Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: nethalands Posts: 29,903	yea, kinda... not all my sites though