c-lo

Does anyone know if SE's will penalize for having too many sites on the same server that are competing for similar keywords? Is this detectable even if the sites aren't linked together?

For example, if I had several domains on one server like freepornpics.com, freepornmovies.com, freepornvids.com, etc...would there be a risk of being detected and/or penalized for spamming?


Thanks,
c-lo

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SmokeyTheBear

it certainly doesnt help.. hard to think of it as a penalty.. easier to think of it as.

Site a , b and c are on a server together and site d, e and f is on sep servers and are identical in layout and linkbacks etc etc then d , e and f will rank higher..

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V_RocKs

If you have all of them on the same C class of IP's then yes....
Forinstance, they all are on 102.23.45.12 then that one IP is only going to show up 1 instance of a website for those keywords.. even puting half on 102.23.45.13 won't help.. but moving them to different class C's or above would.

poisson

interresting subject.

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c-lo

Thanks for the quick response, Smokey. From reading what you said, I think you may have misinterpretted what I meant.

I should have been more clear.

I believe you were thinking my sites would all be similar in text & design, but that's not what I'm going for.

All the sites will have their own original text & code. The only thing that would be similar is they are all competing for terms which use some of the same words (ie I have 6 sites with the word 'free porn' in them)

I'm guessing from your previous post that this wouldn't be frowned upon, but I thought I'd reiterate just to make sure.


Thanks again,
c-lo

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c-lo

Oh geez, I got several responses while posting that...

poisson: Yes, I agree.

V Rocks: I had heard something like that...does that still apply given the newly made statements of my second post? Thanks again!


c-lo

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swami

you got no chance if the words you are targetting are remotely competitive and very little chance even if they are on diff hosts.I'm talking about google here and not yahoo or msn

c-lo

Yeah, it's a newb question I'm sure, but that doesn't mean I'm brand new to SEO. I do okay...got my main site up to #23 for 'porn galleries' on Yahoo in a few months (which obviously doesnt compare to Google but...)

Speakin of, shitty news, I redesigned it about a week ago & it dropped back to the 80 somethings... Fuck me. I guess Google never has liked my site & they're just now picking me up. They don't even have a description for my site...(WTF?)

Anywho swami, I PERSONALLY don't find it extremely hard to rank well on highly competitive terms...just takes know how & patience. I've got the patience & the know how is easily attainable.

Thanks for the input & bump.


later
c-lo

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beta-tester

Google will penalize such a behaviour, especially if ALL sites are in the same theme. You can try with 3-5 similar sites the most, though. But having more than 20 sites on same subject on the same IP is something which definitely WON'T help you to get good SE rankings...

Just sharing my experince and knowledge...hope it helps.

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baddog

When Google says they penalize sites of similar theme, they don't mean design, they mean the keywords you are going after.

As V_Rocks said, you need different C's to even have a chance

http://www.google.com/apis/reference.html#2_3

LiveDose

Good info here.

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Xplicit

Multiple IPs on the same domain is the problem.

Solution = buy more.

Most major companies sell additional IPs cheap.

baddog

I hope you meant multiple domains on the same IP.

Xplicit

haha thats what happens when you start posing advice after you just smoked a blunt

Ya thats what I meant.

pr0

hey...pass that right over here pleaz

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If you have a number of domains on one server, that link to eachother, among other things, you are penalized

baddog

not exactly

Juilan

C-lo, your not interlinking your sites so you don't have to worry as much right now. If your still concerned about being on like C-classes, you can take an inventory of what domains are where. Then if you find you have several on the same C-class you can, back them up, cancel that domains hosting and then stagger the rehosting time to get assigned a new c-class. Fuck just ICQ me I will help you with it I'm familiar with your host.

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V_RocKs

Theme won't make a difference.. Google will choose only 1 of them to represent the words "free porn".. and if you are a newb going for free porn, God help you.

darksoul

Theres a shitload of virtual hosts that have hundreds of domains on the same ip
As long as you don't have too many interlinks you'll be fine.

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Marshal

you are totally right!

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Gillespie

I got caught interlinking yesterday and now I'm fucked.

Is there another way, besides removing the links, to get back on top again rather quickly?

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SinisterStudios

On a different note, have any of you SEO guys played with Turbo Sitemaker yet? Or a system similar to this?
I have a few thousand domains and quite a few class c's sitting idle and was looking for a system to automate some of the tasks for SEO

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c-lo

Wow, lots of good responses here. Thanks for all your input, guys.

I have a better understanding of how it works now. I didn't plan on interlinking all of my sites, cuz I've always heard that its just not a good idea SEOwise.

I plan to target different terms for each site, but some of the words are the same. I don't plan on having several sites competing for the same exact term. There will be some variation in the keywords, so I'm thinking I may not be penalized or whatever, and if so....maybe it will at least soften the blow.

I read all of your responses & I really appreciate the feedback.

Juilan: I'll be contacting you soon on ICQ. Thanks for the gesture.

Xplicit: Yeah, additional IPs are probably a good idea. I plan to look into that later tonight. Thanks.

betatester: Thanks man, always appreciate first hand feedback.

baddog: Thanks for the link. Yeah, by design I meant layout...not just different images, background, etc. I meant tables set up differently, different text, different links, etc. I'll definitely look into spreading across several C classes.

That article kind of confused me, though. It says "If multiple results come from the same Web host, then only the first two are returned." Does this mean I need a different web host altogether or just a different server?

I don't really know anything about C classes...I'm not very technically literate as far as servers, hosting terms, & stuff like that goes. I guess I should read up on that... Anyway, appreciate the help.

Gillespie: Wish I could help but I'm equally as clueless...I hope you get back on top, cuz I know shit like that must really suck.

Everyone else: Thanks for the feedback. I'll be looking into this further, & if anyone has any additional comments/suggestions, I'll still be checkin the thread occasionally.


later
c-lo

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c-lo

SinisterStudios: Sorry, forgot to answer your question. No, unfortunately I haven't been able to mess with Turbo Sitemaker yet. Seems like it'd be a good idea given that you have thousands of domains. I wouldn't know what to do if I had that many sites.

Good luck with your sites & let us know how TS works for you, should you decide to use it.


later
c-lo

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baddog

You must be very careful about interlinking, no matter how spread out your IP's are. Better to have a target site, and then have one way incoming to it.

Do you utilize sitemaps?

baddog

Different hosts are not required if your host can provide you with multiple C's, in fact different servers are not required if you can get multiple C's. Not to spam you, but that is what Got Web Host does. Whether you get dedicated, VPS or virtual, we will give you multiple Class C's, with multiple nameservers, which helps make it look like you are not putting all your eggs in one basket.


IP 123.456.789.10

123 = Class A
456 = Class B
789 = Class C
10 = Class D

easiest way of putting it

Machete_

I love all those wanabee experts

On my dedicated server, I have 1 blogs on google's first page, 1 on second-third depending on datacenter and 12 other blogs and free-sites on the next 3 pages. That is for the milf related keywords only. All blogs use the same theme(rin) all run on version 1.5.2

Don't waste your money on buying space on different servers. Spend your time building good honest websites instead - it will pay off in the end.

I have 72 domains on one virtual account at webair that I use for testing only. If the sites fly, I move them to the dedicated server. I have 4 JesseJane free-sites with the same content on the same server, on the same ip. Two of them is page one on Google. Only difference is the image names and headlines

Again - limit the startup costs.

Edit: on second thought. Take their advice. Spend all your money on hosting.. it means less competition for the rest of us

Sosa

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baddog

yeah, I am sure they were just kidding.

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Thank you . . . we think our customers rock too.

bdld

if they're not interlinked you shouldn't worry too much about it.. as long as each of the sites have original content + diff. templates.

Machete_

that is if you use the filter function when you build you OWN SOAP powered searchengine based on the google access via AIP calls. This just show how little you understand of this

baddog

Filter on is the default. How many people do you think are shutting it off, or even know how?

Machete_

I can see you still dont understand what that page you linked to is all about.

Good luck with your SEO advices, the only one making more profit from that is the webhost.

chaze

Ah a voice of reason from baddog for once

Linking is the main part of SEO, never cross link all of your sites without spreading out other link trades that are not linked to all of your sites.

And no you cannot be penalized for having too many domains on one server.

People are thinking you can because if you cross link a bunch of domains you will be crap if other equivalent link trades or not made to other sites.

I'm going to comment on the separate class c thing.

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