I giggled alot.

Then I called my lawyer cause our babysitter was playing Red hot chilli peppers a bit too loud, and had turned the AC on without asking me. This is fuckin torture... :Oh crap :Oh crap

No point in posting other links, even tough this story has been front news in many UAS papers...

How about telling me which sources are acceptable to you and your kind... Let's say a small list of 5 ...

You are so funny

Oh, and for all you Eurocommunist idiots, I thought I'd let you know that it is official, Europe (and yes I am talking about Europe as a whole as the EU has laws supporting this) is now officially as bad as North Korea with regards to free speech.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...357865,00.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3995341.stm


http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/stor...86&p=y9438439z

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/..._Far_Right.php

I can go on all day. At least in the USA all of these cases would of been protected under their constitution. Certainly the USA isn't perfect, and certainly its current leaders aren't great, but Europe has alot to answer for too. Your continent is also ruled by a bunch of elitists who really don't give a flying fuck about what the people want, or free speech. Who really wants Turkey in the EU? Yet I guarantee they get there.

This thread is so stupid its not even funny anymore.

Oh just 1 thing, the US the best country in the world? Bwahahahahaa..its not bad but the best? bwahahaha

don't be daft everyone knows you need to torture and spy on people to get to the truth to protect people from the terrorists and give them the freedom of democracy!

It's especially important to torture and spy on the people whose freedom you're trying to protect, in case they try to exercise their freedom.

Not exactly! its to protect their right to exercise their freedom from the terrorists

Listen up all you euro trashes! George Bush could press a button in a suitcase out on the golf course and fly a nuclear holocaust right up your butthole if he wanted to! so watch it with this anti-us talk!

What this issue illustrates best is how superficial are most peoples' principles and beliefs and - as Joseph Goebels pointed out at Nuremberg - how easily led people are.

Of course when you are under threat it is easy to rationalize doing whatever it takes to get information which may lessen or remove that threat. But this is the exact same rationalization which we have rejected in the past when used by others. Nor need this be just about gathering information: a case could be made (again as in the past many have made it) that ill-treating prisoners - perhaps not taking prisoners at all - acts as a deterrent. You could extend both principles to non-war situations.

I care a great deal less about the nature of someone's principles, than that they actually have principles and are willing to stand by them in any circumstances. There are few things less edifying than realizing so many people have such little self-respect that reality proves over and over that in fact they have no principles of their own at all: that their thought processes, on everything from which TV programs to watch through to whether or not it is okay to torture prisoners, are so easily manipulated.

I'm really courious if Bush will manage the fuckup the US economy completely before he manage to start a new world war, or if it first will fuckup after the war have started.
If the US people is lucky Bush will resign or get resigned before that happends :thumbsup
The damages he have done already will already take decades to rebuild :2 cents:

mmm drama..

Yeah he COULD do that...So what? Damn I am scared now...lol

If we is lucky you will STFU!

But why are you supporting Bush's version of it over McCains'. I just don't get that. McCain was backed by a bunch of individuals with storied military history. McCain was a POW himself. Do you not think their opinion on the issue is a tad more relevant than that of some people who never served?

You guys have to admit that the 9/11 attack looks like another hollywood movie for the europians . As long as the shit dont approach your door , you never really treat it as real event .

idiot.

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Guess you are out of luck then :1orglaugh

Ummm... no.
It seems like the US is considering it as a hollywood movie, not europeans.
The good (USA) always wins the bad guys in the end (Terrorists). You just need to hire Jack Bauer to do this in 24 hours.

I'm half-serious too.

what a clueless statement.

i thought we have been using rats in lab experiments for years, what is the difference?

100 tortured terrorists in this thread :thumbsup:

I liked your ambush interview and though I don't agree with everything you post, I'm curious how you feel about the bill in question. I'm not talking about how suspected terrorists should be interrogated. I'm more curious about your feelings on how openly the bill can classify someone as a terrorist and how little recourse such a person has to any defense.

we leave in such a corrupt world :( nothing surprises me anymore

Shit you are right.
I turned the papers upside down, seems the US economy is stronger than ever, the national reserves is building up like crazy, schools & hospital care get more and more fundings than ever too.
I fucked up with the popularity polls too, seems US is more popular than because of its searches for oil..... erhm world peace!
Just one more little war and we are there, mayby 2, but we will see after the next one :thumbsup
Ofcourse I agree in full with the US goverment that it is okay to break the human rights in your fight of world peace and to get others to follow the human rights too :thumbsup

so fucking way :(

seems like the terrorists are winning

I was suspected it would be like this.

Repeat with me the ends does not justify the means.

I love the way people are just slowly giving up their rights to this corrupt gov.

First mining telephone records, then listening to phone calls without a warrant, now torturing terror "suspects".

This is just like the McCarthy era all over again. Replace commy with terrorist and you got it.

Everyone just be afraid, and let us take care of it all. Remember the saying, "the only thing to fear is fear itself." You all have your mouths open for the next spoon full of shit, except they are telling you it's pudding and you believe it.

Ya definitely suspicious if they are found fighting against the US army with machine guns and hand held rocket launchers. I would call that enough to warrant some type of interogating if they have more information. Anyways, I've read most of your posts, you're nothing but a sheep.

He is right and your papers are still "upside down" for instance,

The US economy is doing great, didnt the DOW just hit an all time high, I dont know about the rest of you but my portfolio is the best its been in damn near 15 years.

What are you talking about schools and hospitals???
I take it your not from here because if you were, you would know our hospitals arent run by our government, they are private businesses and we want to keep them that way.
As for our schools, yes its shame they are failing our youth and as much as it pains me to say. The Repubs keep trying push a system which is very similar to the system that is used in The Netherlands (vouchers) but too many forces are fighting them. This subject, US schools could be a whole other thread.

What is this popularity poll you speak of? If you mean what other countries think of us, I kindly say FUCK YOU. I vote for US leaders who do what is right for the US, not what makes us "popular" with foreign countries.

As for human rights, quick question-
Last time I checked the Taliban/Al Queda isnt a signee of the Geneva Convention, so how is it a violation if both parties involved arent even members?
This purely from a legal standpoint not a moral one

Also if you look at past conflicts we the US have been involved in
WW2- our pows were tortured
Korea- our pows were tortured
Vietnam - our pows were tortured
Iraq 1- our pows were tortured
Current conflict - our pows were tortured

So how is this Geneva convention agreement helping us?

You are the a prime example of why this country has gone in the shitter.

First off, the economy isn't just the dow. In case you haven't noticed there have been a few layoffs going on lately. Lets see, GM, Ford, Intel just to name a few. The housing market has gone into the shitter and our deficit is at an all time high, plus we are spending 2 BILLION a week in Iraq. Yep the economy is rocking!

As for the schools, the no child left behind bs has just made schools teach to just pass the stupid tests. All it's doing is turning out more dumb southern mullet wearing Walmart shopping republicans.

As for your idiotic ideas about torture. They cut off heads in the muslim world, so by your logic we should too.

This country is supposed to stand for what is good and right. We used to set the examples i.e. Koyoto treaty. Now we just stand for a bunch of pompous ass holes that don't give a fuck about anything except for their corporate buddies.

Wow ... just wow. Housing market is in the shitter now? Hmm interesting.

Kyoto treaty. pfft. If we would of signed it would you of whined about Bush losing more jobs to overseas companies? Do you even know why we didnt sign it?

Why are we losing out in the car market lately? Ill let you figure that one out on your own.

Also where do you think those billions we spend on war equipment primarily go? Again Ill let you figure that out on your own.

Housing prices drop for first time in 11 years.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/25/news...ion=2006092513

As for Kyoto, this is just one example of where we should be in the lead and setting the example. Keep your head in the sand, cuz your kids will be the one dealing with it.

I see you didn't have a response to the Intel layoff. Look across the board, and there are layoffs in about every industry except for CEO's.

Those billions of OUR tax dollars are going into shithole companies like Haliburton with connections to the white house.