BS! Medicaid pays only if your income is under a certain minimum, basically, if you are a welfare case. I am not talking about welfare cases, I am talking about normal, hard working families with a normal income that can't afford the exploding medical expenses. Doctor bills are the primary bankruptcy cause for American families in these days. If someone in your family gets really sick you are fucked. Should have moved to Canada, I guess.

You don't have to be on welfare. My sister works for a collections agency and she knows the ins and outs of it. If you have a 1k bill and you make 80k a year, yeah, not going to get financial aid, but if you make 60k a year, have a family, and your bill is 40k they'll help out.

Read this:

http://www.ctelderlaw.org/BenefitPro...sp#Traditional

Maybe it's something special in my area, but that doesn't look right. Regardless, i'm not here to discuss how much financial aid one can get. I'm concerned that lately more and more scammers have been coming out with crazy stunts, and by this auction coming out, more are going to do it and it's going to cause problems.

It's people like you prolonging this.

If people would actually read a little before jumping in with their 2 cents, a lot of this could be avoided.

so NoCarrier should be happy that they living in Canada and not U.S :)

Read NoCarrier's post. He's not asking for money to pay medical bills. He's asking for money so that his wife and himself can stop working.

Pretty lame if you ask me.

:2 cents:

You reep what you sow.
I feel sorry for you filthy fucks.

The only think he asked for was help with medical expenses, it was only after he found out he wasn't going to have to go to Texas and that Canadien insurance would pick up most of it that he mentioned using the donations to help them get through this rough time.

Care to elaborate or is that extent of your great insight?

It is not shameful to ask people for help.

Published on Wednesday, February 2, 2005 by Reuters
Half of Bankruptcy Due to Medical Bills -- U.S. Study
by Maggie Fox


WASHINGTON - Half of all U.S. bankruptcies are caused by soaring medical bills and most people sent into debt by illness are middle-class workers with health insurance, researchers said on Wednesday.

The study, published in the journal Health Affairs, estimated that medical bankruptcies affect about 2 million Americans every year, if both debtors and their dependents, including about 700,000 children, are counted.

"Our study is frightening. Unless you're Bill Gates you're just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," said Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School who led the study.

"Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get sick. Health insurance offered little protection."

The researchers got the permission of bankruptcy judges in California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Texas to survey 931 people who filed for bankruptcy.

"About half cited medical causes, which indicates that 1.9 to 2.2 million Americans (filers plus dependents) experienced medical bankruptcy," they wrote.

"Among those whose illnesses led to bankruptcy, out-of-pocket costs averaged $11,854 since the start of illness; 75.7 percent had insurance at the onset of illness."

The average bankrupt person surveyed had spent $13,460 on co-payments, deductibles and uncovered services if they had private insurance. People with no insurance spent an average of $10,893 for such out-of-pocket expenses.

"Even middle-class insured families often fall prey to financial catastrophe when sick," the researchers wrote.

Bankruptcy specialists said the numbers seemed sound.

"From 1982 to 1989, I reviewed every bankruptcy petition filed in South Carolina, and during that period I came to the conclusion that there were two major causes of bankruptcy: medical bills and divorce," said George Cauthen, a lawyer at Columbia-based law firm Nelson Mullins Riley & Scarborough LLP.

"Each accounted, roughly, for about a third of all individual filings in South Carolina."

He said fewer than 1 percent of all bankruptcy filings were due to credit card debt. "That truly is a myth," Cauthen said in a telephone interview.

Cauthen said he was not surprised to hear that so many of the bankrupt people in the study were middle-class.

"Usually people who have something to protect file bankruptcy," he said. "The truly indigent -- people that we see on the street -- there is no relief that we can give them."

Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a Harvard associate professor and physician who advocates for universal health coverage, said the study supported demands for health reform.

"Covering the uninsured isn't enough. We must also upgrade and guarantee continuous coverage for those who have insurance," Woolhandler said in a statement.

She said many employers and politicians were pressing for what she called "stripped-down plans so riddled with co-payments, deductibles and exclusions that serious illness leads straight to bankruptcy."

Believe it or not, this isn't the first time.

If people want to donate $10,000 or $10,000,000 to NoCarrier, let them. Who people donate to and what amount is none of my business. If these people who are donating money are being deceived, then that's their problem.

I haven't posted in few days.. I know the original thread by NoCarrier announcing the unfortunate news, but what happened afterwards? What auction.. .. As far as people go bashing NoCarrier, you don't have to help him if you don't want to, but keep in mind that he is a father of a child & he is more than likely panicking & really freaking out & is desperately worried about his childs life & that is one extremely horrible situation for any parent to face, so, irregardless wether he needs help for medical purposes, or for expenses, etc, nonetheless, he does need help. If you don't wish to help him financially, the least you could do is help him emotionally, or spiritually.. His mind is likely very frantic this last week & I am sure he really needs encouragement, so the least you could do is be kind.

Why are you trying to sound like you're obligated to donate?

and who are you to speak for everyone?

We all know the story now, so why keep repeating your stance over and over??

If they want to donate, it's none of your business... nor it for you to decide whether they should or not..

He stopped askingfor donations he has been honest this entire time, if you want to donate donate, if not cool but stfu. There is nothing wrong with what NC did, it was the action of a scared father and for some of you to blast him for that is fucking pathedic. Not everyone can be rich and afford the best things in life.

Amen.....

i hope no one ever has to hear the words 'your child may have a glioma'....

because anyone hearing that sentence has a sphincter moment unlike any other...

unless you've walked in the shoes of a scared parent....please don't judge.

no one knows how they will react when they hear news as dire as this....

no carrier asked that all donations stop when he got new information. those of us who wanted to donate anyway, did so.

those who didn't want to donate, didn't and that's fine.

why has this blown up...into such a big deal.
and, no...no answer is necessary. it's rhetorical.

Bump for NoCarrier since he won't shut the fuck up and take his BS off the board. :321GFY

Are you a surfer or something?

Me? I've said multiple times that, yes, I am just a surfer. :1orglaugh

Hey man, I'm really sorry to hear that.

I mean that must be really embarrassing, having to admit that your own sister does that for a living.

Damn!

Hey, I hear DirtyDanza is hiring again. Why don't you like send her his URL and we can then all hope that her career takes a turn for the better :)

Merry Christmas!

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Honestly, if it were me or someone in my immediate family I would first borrow against my existing investements, RSP's, etc if I needed money that badly, and after that I would turn to family.

But like others have said, here in Canada we do have fully competant doctors and no huge medical bills to worry about, no $100k-$250k surgeries etc. It's all covered.

I have critical illness insurance in case I have to go south of the border for any treatments, and it's very affordable.


However, if people want to donate to help someone out I certainly have no quarrel with it.

So what you are saying is you would not take $25k from GFY and then vanish, without wishing everyone a merry christmas?

I wouldn't, but that's me.

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I don't have a problem with people donating to help his family and son, although I agree with CD in that I would exhaust all avenues before turning for help from gfy. I do find it a bit odd that for a short period there was so much effort and attention given to helping NoCarrier's situation and after all the donations were received he basically dropped out of site.

this thread still exists?

There are threads going back to Jan '01 I believe...